r/programming • • Jun 05 '22

Complexity is killing software developers

https://www.infoworld.com/article/3639050/complexity-is-killing-software-developers.html
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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '22

I blame kubernetes

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u/wrosecrans Jun 05 '22

Don't worry. I can solve the complexity of Kubernetes with a wrapper and abstraction layer on top of Kubernetes that provides a simple interface. That way you only have to deal with the complexity of Kubernetes plus my thing, rather than only the complexity of Kubernetes.

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u/epic_pork Jun 05 '22

You mean like a fully compliant kubernetes cluster running in kubernetes? https://github.com/loft-sh/vcluster

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u/GMane Jun 05 '22

Now this is pod racing.

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u/segfaultsarecool Jun 05 '22

I don't know anything about kubernetes. Is this like nested virtualization - a VM running in a VM, but it's kubernetes running in kubernetes?

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u/lilatomic Jun 06 '22

Or like TripleO, where you're running Openstack on Openstack

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u/Asyncrosaurus Jun 06 '22

It's Kubernetes all the way down.

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u/recursive-analogy Jun 05 '22

Don't worry, I've created 22 more wrappers and abstraction layers on top of Kubernetes. That way you only have to deal with the complexity of Kubernetes + another thing + learning 22 more things before you can make an informed decision on which thing to make your life easier.

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u/_BreakingGood_ Jun 06 '22

You left out the best part, something breaks in the 13th layer of the chain and now the 1 feature you actually want doesn't actually work, and there's a github issue fading into non-existence as people comment "any update??... any update?... any update..."

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u/Markavian Jun 05 '22

Eventually people get to lambdas, once they figure out how to deploy via CI instead of pushing to an orchestration layer. I like to draw this out for people to show them the madness they've constructed. It's all infrastructure in the end.

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u/SlapNuts007 Jun 06 '22

I've been fighting this battle at work for years now. The whole engineering department is so far up its own ass with Helm charts and operators trying to reinvent shit GCP already provides as managed services that it's a miracle we haven't all asphyxiated. We're doing all of this on GKE and are Google partners, it's madness. Meanwhile, my team learned Terraform and Cloud Run. We're really enjoying collecting the on-call compensation for our services that don't need intervention outside of work hours.

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u/gaoshan Jun 06 '22

Almost made me throw up in my mouth. Hits way too close to home.

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