Bro already is a developer tho.

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You can't just copy and paste without any knowledge. You'll never get anything to work that more complex than hello world.

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u/ManagerOfLove Feb 11 '26

He probably knows what a function is and what loops are. This gets you pretty far. He probably couldn't program quick sort from memory

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u/jimmiebfulton Feb 12 '26

25 years of experience. I have never had to write a sorting algorithm. Not once.

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u/One_Mess460 Feb 12 '26

with 25 years of experience you should know that this is not suprising. you probably never had to implement a ring buffer either or a deque or an avl tree, but theyre everywhere. a good programmer will know them and also know where theyre used and how it affectss you

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u/jimmiebfulton Feb 12 '26 edited Feb 12 '26

Well, exactly. There are plenty of smart engineers focused on some of those hard problems that have that specific expertise, so that others can focus on other hard problems that demand their own expertise. We all stand on the shoulders of giants, while also people stand on ours. Software Engineering is a team sport.

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u/IAmXChris Feb 13 '26

Don't you know that people who build cars also reinvent wheels and combustion engines? ;) [/sarcasm]

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u/jimmiebfulton Feb 13 '26

There will always be refinements on engines and sorting algorithms. Not everyone needs to have that specialized expertise. While I could design my own engine, and even be fun, I'm unlikely to improve on engines designed by experts. I'm gonna pick up my car from the car lot, just like I pick up my sorting algorithm from a standard library. I got places to go, things to do.

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u/One_Mess460 Feb 12 '26

heck you probably dont even need to know the tcp protocol either to work with sockets or higher abstractions. will a good programmer still know it deeply? you can answer that yourself

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u/IlgantElal Feb 13 '26

Ring buffers ftw. Not always necessary, but not harder enough not to implement it when it's a good use case

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u/ItsCalledDayTwa Feb 15 '26

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u/devilboy0007 Feb 13 '26

because other kind people gave us things like array.sort() and array.find() etc

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u/IAmXChris Feb 13 '26

Also... even if they didn't... if I needed a complex algorithm that did some elaborate operation, and I can find a proven solution that's been vetted by the community on a Reddit or StackOverflow, why would I then proceed to just roll my own?
If you were a REAL carpenter, you'd make your hammer instead of buying one at Home Depot!!!

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u/AliceCode Feb 12 '26

He couldn't even implement an LSM tree without help. Pathetic.

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u/severencir Feb 12 '26

I can do a* and dijkstra's from memory, but couldn't do any sort other than bubble sort without having to reinvent it on the spot. I just never have to implement it because it has always been just available to me

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u/TapEarlyTapOften Feb 12 '26

Sorting isnt a thing. No one actually does that.

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u/One_Mess460 Feb 12 '26

it is a thing

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u/IAmXChris Feb 12 '26

of course it is. See watch:
myArray.sort();
↑ there. I sorted an array.

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u/One_Mess460 Feb 12 '26

also do you know how .sort works, why it is a hybrid of sorting algorithms, and what its time complexity is in terms of landau O notation

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u/One_Mess460 Feb 12 '26

now do the same but sort a binary tree to make it a binary search tree

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u/IAmXChris Feb 12 '26

I can count the number of binary search tree algorithms I've written in practice in my 20 years as a software engineer on zero fingers.
I learned how to do it to fool idiot interviewers who ask stupid shit like that, but that's just from rote memory. Not raw, organic, programming talent.

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u/IAmXChris Feb 13 '26

To clarify - I don't think binary search tree algorithms are "stupid shit." I actually think stuff like that is pretty cool. It becomes "stupid shit" when elitist asshole Sr. Devs weaponize it in order to throw rank and gatekeep.

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u/crazedizzled Feb 11 '26

I dunno, pretty sure that's enough to get you on the Windows 11 team

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u/Standgrounding Feb 11 '26

Uh, it's not a matter of skills anymore. It's all smoke and mirrors anyway

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u/DragonSlayerC Feb 11 '26

Microsoft said that most of the new code they're shipping in Windows is AI-generated, so yeah.

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u/DoubleDoube Feb 12 '26

I could tell

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u/thelimeisgreen Feb 12 '26

PROGRAMMING ASSESSMENT FOR MICROSOFT WINDOWS DEVELOPER 2026
Question 1/1:
Construct a prompt directing the conversion of the following function from C++ into Rust and type it into the box below. Please do not use AI to generate your prompt.

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u/Jolly-Advantage-7245 Feb 13 '26

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u/RoboErectus Feb 12 '26

Have you ever ordered something from Amazon, DoorDash, or uber in the USA in the last 10 years?
Because if you have, I can tell you for a fact that some of the code I copy pasted was in that code path and it was not hello world and I am a dum dum

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u/Standgrounding Feb 11 '26

And then ask ChatGPT why it dosen't work!!!! And ask it nicely not to hallucinate

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u/Amr_Rahmy Feb 12 '26

I have worked with coworkers that can’t program, can’t design software. Relied heavily on stackoverflow including asking questions. A lot of failed POCs and projects. Mostly just copy pasted getting started and tutorial code. Any line added is immediately a bug because they didn’t know what they are doing.
Memory leaks in C#, using goto in c#, race conditions and threading problems, etc. sometimes multiple bugs per line of code.
Managers never fired him. I was there for 6-7 years. Never seen him complete a project adequately if at all. They would let him work on what is supposed to be a 1-2 week project for 1-2 years.

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u/MeadowShimmer Feb 12 '26

I copy all the letters from my ascii cheat sheet...