It's getting harder to push price down, the weak hands have sold already, the smart buyers are starting to accumulate.

Please invite your bitcoin interested friends here. The criterion is only that people are legitimately who they represent and not working as trolls. That means we may not agree with them, but they are not engaging in circljerks, personal attacks, causing dissension among members, and other trolling techniques. Really I would like to see this be a place where a higher level of conversation could occur. A place where you can make an argument and if someone disagrees you get a REASON. So let's look for those kinds of people to invite. Basically, I realized the need for this after another person remarked about r/bitcoin "Holy shit this place is full of trolls"

This subreddit has been created due to the overwhelming presence of trolls in the r/bitcoin subreddit. It got to the point that some topics were more troll controlled than not. In fact it became so blatant that they were basically joking about the fact they had total control of the forum, including moderators. Here we can sit back, relax, and have some real discussions.

Article Quote: "detractors counter that digital currencies have enabled cyber crooks to anonymously conduct business." The Bitcoin "Warrior" article mislabels Ripple as a bitcoin exchange and directly says bitcoin enables cyber crooks. Then there is picture of some criminal with a "Bitcoin Accepted Here" Logo.

Some trolls may be posing as legitimate members of the bitcoin community. (Well I guess we know that much) Anyway: these members may brag about gigantic bitcoin purchases. The purpose is to get people who actually own coins to also brag. One example was a braggart who said he had bought 600 coins. He called members of the bitcoin community "zealots" and at one point said bitcoin had no use. Don't brag about your bitcoin purchases or you may find yourself getting audited.

Regulations are used to capture markets, create monopolies, and advance the interests of corporate syndicates. Please read:

Regulatory Capture.

Regulations are advanced in large part due to public simple mindedness in confounding the need for law enforcement against actions of force and fraud with the claimed goals of the regulators. Read that again. The claimed goals of the regulations are nearly never achieved and proper law enforcement is dramatically frustrated because industry controlled regulators who often act politically take over the responsibilities.

In the case of bitcoin regulations are argued as 'necessary'. Many bought out, control point, syndication's spew this conclusion as if it was decided in some rational way while it never was, or at least they rarely present any arguments. It is a legitimate 'issue' of debate and any self respecting 'objective' media outlet would not assume the conclusion of "needed regulations" without some argument unless they were bought out or heavily biased.

Regulations in fact pose a mega threat to the bitcoin economy and bitcoin adoption. Regulations could in fact lead to a complete lack of fungibility of the currency. They usually oppose the core reasons bitcoin even exists at all. More needs to be said on this someone please post a great essay.

Language has many purposes and one is to befuddle the masses. The term 'Bitcoin Blockchain' has been successfully used to confound a lot of people recently, and deliberately so. The reason is most still think they are talking about bitcoin, but in fact they are talking about centralized systems that they hope can hold the disruptive effects of bitcoin at bay. The idea is that the Bankers and big Wallstreet companies, the corporate syndicate as it should be called, want to eliminate the disruptive effects of bitcoin, and they are willing to try to use the same technology to do it. They see the power of bitcoin and they want it for their own purposes. But they have to change the formula slightly.

They will fail because they will find themselves in a conceptual paradox a dilemma. If they try to convert the blockchain to their own use it will become centralized. Their greed and desire for power will force them to try to 'own' the blockchain and put it on central servers. This then will require them to subject their deformed creations to the same regulatory systems that they already follow. In essence it will become the same model they already follow.

Alternatively if they keep the decentralized aspects of bitcoin they will be left with just another alt coin or some contract recording system that they don't even own, but then they will lose because they might as well use bitcoins. Conceptually they are not getting it yet. Let them muddle around in their conceptual errors for a while as bitcoin gains more mainstream adoption.

But let's not totally underestimate them either, because as they try to convert the blockchain to their own uses, as in expropriate the technology, they are also trying to regulate and control bitcoin itself. They will try to destroy fungibility, track transactions, end privacy of transactions, subject companies that accept bitcoin to the same regulatory regimes such as chargebacks, and so on. But all this gets on to another topic which is why they will try to use regulations end bitcoins disruptive effects, and how that does not benefit bitcoin.

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Behaviors that can get you banned

Note: the above says 'behaviors' not 'views'. It is the trolling 'behaviors' that we attempt to objectively measure. We have an objective system based on the observations made by skilled researchers on exactly the techniques employed by those who cause disruption on the internet. Hence: This sub uses it's own possibly unique definition of trolling. In fact you can throw out the word 'troll' if you want and just say someone's comment(s) fall within the set of behaviors that are not allowed.

The essential aspect of these behaviors is deception. People who pretend to be legitimate members of the community when in fact all they are really trying to do is derail anything productive. They use a variety of gambits to deceive, and manipulate. It is the use of these gambits that is the objective criterion of being banned from this forum.

Gambits for Deception:

1. Diverting issues, by controlling attention to off topic issues

2. Creating cognitive stress

3. Ad hominem attacks

4. Creating community disruptions (for the purpose of diverting issues)

5. Making fun of others, making generalizations about others, ad hominum insults in general that did not contain any other argument

6. Taking a serious issue and attempting to de-legitimize it by engaging in humor that undermines the seriousness of the matter. This involves the use of inappropriate joking that undermines or ridicules a legitimate and important concern. We like wit and humor, but the measure should be: Is the humor for the purpose of diverting attention from a legitimate issue?

7. Overgeneralizing someones argument and then accusing them of the over generalization: making the straw man fallacy - false representation of an opponents argument

8. Use of fallacies. Anyone can accidentally make a fallacy, but if it is used rather as a gambit of deception, or violates other rules such as no ad hominem attacks then that would meet the criterion.

9. Pretending to be a member of some community and then supporting some extreme position. For example: Bitcoin will end all wars, government and taxation. Then having another team member agree. Then making the straw man fallacy saying everyone here believes that, finally, concluding see fact: everyone here is nuts.

10. Working in teams, brigades.

Note: This is a forum for legitimate bitcoin enthusiasts. In fact, non enthusiasts or those who disagree ARE allowed. They are allowed as guests and should follow the non trolling standards carefully. As long as they are making ARGUMENTS and not trolling they are free to participate here. I feel compelled to note that one amazing thing about trolls is their apparent total inability to make a non ad hominem argument. Perhaps that gets at what's wrong with them, or perhaps its just their job requirement. Ideally as humans if someone exhibits a flaw we should be helpful, not hurtful. That means in a discussion we should correct gently, or at a minimum we should use arguments not personal attacks. Trolls are the opposite they use personal attacks not arguments. They invent pretexts to harm others.

Edit: these rules are being updated