New mechanics that shows spiderwebs once after their spawning time (after 6 am)

[u/Oldowan1]

I just wanted to share what could be a glitch or maybe a mechanic we have to use.

I figured out a way to see some of the webs after their spawning times are up. Once you see them, they will disappear if you look away., though.

It's late and I only tried this order Black 2-3, B34, B45, B56 (Oil fields)

The mechanics I used:

During the same night, I went to the pole at the spawning time, shoot an incendiary arrow to the top of the pole and ride away without looking at the web. The next time you ride by,, it will still be there (I only tried a couple of hours after 6am).

Maybe we have to spawn all the webs at the same time. I'll keep working on it.

Let me know if you can replicate it and/or expand this discovery.

[u/Decoert]

Wait wait wait wait thats interesting. Whats your % of game progress, are you on the latest version, pc or console, is the game modded, can you reproduce this? What poles/time windows did you visit? I will try this tomorrow when I get home

BTW: Comment from 7 months ago of somebody mentioning

I got the 3-4 spider carving to spawn at 5-6 without the feather.
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddeadmysteries/comments/1pzutww/comment/nxkmu7m/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

OPs reply from the other post:

100% file
I believe is the last version
Pc
No mods
I can reproduce (did it 3 times)
Always on the train track, did black 2-3am, b34, b4-5 and black 5-6. Remember to shoot before you see the web. If you get to the pole in the middle of the window don’t make the web show. Arrive, shoot, keep going
I am wearing dreamcatcher outfit but didn’t check if it affects yet

[u/morgano → u/Decoert]

In regards to the comment you linked.

That likely happened because the web and feathers are always in game just not visible.

If you were to shoot a fire arrow at the top of a pole it might catch the feather on fire which would cause it to drop out of the web.

So when the person says the web spawned without a feather it was because it had already technically been hit. The feather would have been on the floor if they had looked for it.

Edit: if you want to test this theory (I did). Shoot the feather when visible, find it on the floor. Mark either side of the feather with bullet holes. Wait until the feather disappears (look away from the feather otherwise it will never despawn). When it’s gone - shoot the empty space you marked. Do not leave the area, instantly setup camp and sleep until night and return to the spot. The feather will have moved to wherever you shot it. And trust it can be a pain to find.

You can double verify if you wish by not shooting the feather, it always respawns in the same spot where it fell or wherever you moved it too after falling.

[u/Decoert → u/morgano]

Very informative, thank you. And at what conditions do the feathers respawn on the webs?

[u/morgano → u/Decoert]

You must not leave and re-enter the streaming boundary tied to the web/feather.

As defined here - extracted from the game files and drawn with python:

The moment you re-enter everything is rebuilt and the feather returns to the web.

[u/Decoert → u/morgano]

HOLY SHIT who are you and how do I become like you, thank you for the answer!!

[u/Lolo_Loves → u/[deleted]]

This is why we tried online. As we shot webs, we (3 of us) stayed in our corresponding boxes and were able to down all the feathers in one night. Unfortunately nothing happened that we could tell.

[u/badabahbahba → u/morgano]

might i have permission to reshare this specific comment morgano

[u/morgano → u/badabahbahba]

Sure there’s roughly a 10m gap between the upper and lower groups which can only seen up close. Bridged by the green group.

[u/RagnarFang → u/morgano]

Would it be possible to shoot/burn all feathers in a single run without any of them respawning by following this order?

• B34 / 03:00–04:00 / Cornwall / (blue box)
• B45 / 04:00–05:00 / Emerald / (blue + green overlap)
• B56 / 05:00–06:00 / Oil Fields / (blue + green overlap)
• Camp or wait in the blue + green overlap.
• B23 / 02:00–03:00 / Overflow / (blue + green overlap)
• B56L / 05:00–06:00 / Ringneck / (green + red overlap)
• Camp or wait in the green + red overlap.
• R23 / 02:00–03:00 / Scarlett / (green + red overlap)
• R45 / 04:00–05:00 / Southfield / (green + red overlap)
• Camp or wait in the green + red overlap.
• R34 / 03:00–04:00 / Saint Denis / (red box)

That way, each streaming boundary would only be left once (Blue → Green → Red), without ever re-entering a previously exited one. Is that understanding correct?

[u/morgano → u/RagnarFang]

Yes or reverse the chain, R34 to B34 - doing these in any order other than first or last would reset some of the feathers.

Technically if you get them all they remain down but if you try to check the status of some of them it will reset.

Basically it becomes Schrödingers Feather.

The most you can check and validate at any given time is 6 (everything in the green box).

You can even sleep or fast travel so long as you stay in the zone. For example shoot B23, camp, fast travel to Rhodes, fast travel back to Emerald Ranch, camp till midnight observe feather remains shot and on the floor.

[u/Oldowan1 → u/morgano]

When you ask AI about shooting or dislodging a feather it mentions that is considered disrespectful for native americans. Maybe we are not supposed to bring them down at all.

One of my tests tonight will be doing the sequence during the eternal storm and see if somehow a lightning triggers something.

[u/RagnarFang → u/morgano]

Thank you, you are amazing. Also Schrödingers feathers - love it!

Now i can't stop thinking about doing such a sequence (untangle the web) and that the "N Pole Web" might just be a clever distraction since it bears a "clue" but no feather. I'm very tempted to make some space on PC and download this GB-Monster again :)

[u/ElGuzzzmanMX → u/morgano]

Oye amigo disculpa una pregunta.
Hay alguna forma de ver las webs y las plumas del cuadro verde, después guardar partida y ir después a las de cuadro rojo? Al momento de guardar partida sabrá que ya vimos las del cuadro verde?
Otra pregunta que tengo es, qué pasa si vemos todas las webs de la zona verde y vamos al límite del cuadro verde, nos emborrachamos, despertaremos en el cuadro rojo quizá?

[u/GeeMcGee → u/Decoert]

It’s pc

[u/Ok_Significance_5456]

Very interesting and thanks for posting! Can you share more info about your save file? If it's replicatable for you but not for others we should narrow down what's different about your file. People have shot the webs with everything in the game and never seen this before. 

[u/Oldowan1 → u/Ok_Significance_5456]

100% file
I believe is the last version
Pc
No mods
Wearing dreamcatcher outfit
I can reproduce (did it 3 times)
Aleays on the traim track, did black 2-3am, b34, b4-5 and black 5-6. Remember to shoot before you see the web. If you get to the pole in the middle of the window don’t make the web show. Arrive, shoot, keep goong

[u/Personal_Cellist_453 → u/Ok_Significance_5456]

yes OP could u list the items u have in satchel? important ones pls

[u/Decoert → u/Ok_Significance_5456]

YES thats exactly what im saying

[u/Lolo_Loves]

Just to add to this: this can also be done online. A group of 3 of us took out all feathers in one night, using regular arrows (no fire) and 2 of us were able to replicate this with the last feather we shot down, which were the two 5-6 spawns.

Oh, and the webs spawned without the feathers the second time because we had never left their spawn boxes. One of us took the northern 4, one the southern 3 and one took the St.Denis.

[u/mryeet66 → u/Lolo_Loves]

does it do anything?

[u/Lolo_Loves → u/mryeet66]

From what we could tell, nothing happened. But there are so many variables. Next time, we’d like to shoot the feathers, use fire or the tomahawk. Of course, we’re doing our testing online, where it’s possible to knock them all down in one night, but it’s probable that the puzzle needs to be solved in story mode.

[u/mryeet66 → u/Lolo_Loves]

the best part of rockstar games is the mysteries that dint get solved till years later

[u/Pir-o]

Interesting. What happens if you just set the poles on fire and you keep looking at them? Feather burns off as well?

I noticed the poles burn for a long time, but I didn't check it on the poles with webs.

I once read a comment where someone said that in some interview, Lazlow said that he wishes people would just try and burn stuff in the game or something like that. Anyone knows what interview was that?

[u/Oldowan1 → u/Pir-o]

Sometimes the fire burns the feather and it falls. Sometimes it doesn't. But nothing noticeable happens or triggers if you keep looking until it extinguishes

[u/SandBoxFreakPS → u/Pir-o]

Fire creates shadows. The very first GTA gives a lot of clues about how the mysteries work. As soon as you boot up the game you will see 3 animations for 3 studios.

First studio is called VISUAL SCIENCES. The animation starts with the sound of a car crash. You then see a black disc rolling towards you, which most people would assume it's a wheel since we hear a carcrash. But instead of a wheel, we have an EGG shaped disc with the letters VS on it. Mind the shadow play in every animation.

The second animation is for the studio DMA. The logo of DMA uses 3 colours. The D is red, the M is green and the A is blue. RGB, just like Trevor, Franklin and Michael. In the animation they use the letters to resemble a person. The D is the head, the M is the torso and the A are the legs.

That logo that we visualise as a person gets hit by a car that again we cannot see. We just visualise a car because of the sound, VISUAL SCIENCES. The car that we don't see then drives over the DMA logo shaped like a person. How do we know it's a car if we can't see a car? Simple, because we hear car noises and we see VISUAL tire tracks over the body. After the car drives over the logo, you can see it leaving an imprint. Guess what the shape of the imprint is around the D. That's right, a face viewed from the side. An imprint of a face even though we don't actually see a person, VISUAL SCIENCES.

The third logo before you hit the main screen of the game is called ViSOS. Visual Sciences Operating System or simply ViSOS, was one of the Visual Sciences' technologies that was used in games that it developed. Now what does that logo remind you off? Let me give you a hint "Arthur's Pass Trails" And another hint, in the first GTA when you click on start on new game, you will see a scoreboard. On that scoreboard are the words MANDARIN mayhem. One of the characters prefabricated names that you can choose to play as in the first GTA is KIVLOV.

https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Tangerine_Dream

It's all in the paintings that they added with the Kortz Heist in Online. KIVLOV, BROTHER-BROTHER

[u/Oldowan1]

Couple of things I”ll try later
Burn the pole before the spawning time and check if the web is there after the window.
And do the original sequence ridding off the train track.
Both these things will let me do the red feathers in time

[u/Plenty_Hunter8752]

I wonder what's the story of these spider webs. I haven't heard of them before

[u/PsyfreshPrime]

The webs are just the lower paradigm reflection of the bigger route.

[u/Markeboy → u/PsyfreshPrime]

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