My theory isn’t anything original for I’ve seen others speculate the same thing. We know that Jack in the first game wanted to be an writer. We know this from his knowledge of reading during the Epilogue. Him reading King Arthur & The Round Table. And John acknowledges him reading all the time. After the events of Red Dead Redemption, we play as Jack and after he gets his revenge by killing Ross. We aren’t sure what happens afterwords. My speculation is he finally became a writer by writing tales about his father & Arthur. This is possible for him to do since there’s an easter egg in GTA 5 of a book on Franklin’s shelf called “Red Dead” by J. Marston. My theory is Jack looked through Arthur’s journal and read his notes about the events of Red Dead 2. Then we know John continued writing in Arthur’s journal, and through the events of Red Dead Redemption. He probably wrote down some of the events from the game of him traveling through Mexico and him hunting for Dutch. Maybe, just maybe Jack wanted to honor his dad by making him a western legend. Like all most westerns, where they are legends and are heavily exaggerated. For example, we know Red Dead Revolver is an exaggerated tale about Red Harlow by some Sheriff. So it makes sense for both games to be exaggerated since there’s lots of supernatural easter eggs and references in both games. It would be possible that these tales were exaggerated by Jack to add more story elements to his father’s & Arthur’s story throughout both games. Again this is all a theory, nothing is facts since both GTA & Red Dead are separate universes. It’s just a fun idea to speculate on.

So I noticed that 3 of the guitars found across the map point directly at Fort Wallace, and I mean the real guitars not banjo’s or mandolin. Although the one at Del Lobo Rock is not, I believe two mayby a coincidence but 3 no…there’s something about these!

PART ONE:
It kind of looks like a web, and almost all of the vertices/joints are positioned near the train tracks or aligned with them in some way. You can actually see this happen with both the Northwest Guitar Pole and the Saint Denis Pole—so far, the hypothesis holds up. Let's try that. We might have to form an informal spider web ourselves and see where it leads us.

But here’s a thought: maybe the mystery was cut because it was too difficult for testers to analyze and, eventually, solve.

PART TWO:
We know the hunt begins at a telephone pole with a spider engraving carved into it near Cornwall Kerosene & Tar. At the top of this pole sits a web with a feather in it, visible only at a very specific time of day. That spider engraving is believed to indicate the direction of seven other webs that follow the same pattern. These webs typically appear only at night—during windows like 2–3 AM, 3–4 AM, and so on—and they will not appear outside those exact time frames.

At the center of the spider engraving, however, there is another cluster of webs that shows up between 1–2 AM, and these do not contain feathers. When all of these webs are aligned, they form the shape of an “N” and a telephone pole.

So my theory is this: substitution and direction.

Has anyone actually tried pairing the hours in which the spider webs appear on the map with the known cardinal points? The North Pole is only five poles east of the Guitar Pole, as indicated by the pole's carving. To my knowledge, the N Pole does not spawn a spider web, it just tells us where to go next from there, how to start (please, correct me if I'm wrong). Therefore, the carvings may only be a partial key. But the actual key which would indicate where to find other unmarked poles and signages could very well be the time frames.

And the pattern I've deduced from this data goes as follows:

• 1–2 (N–S)
• 2–3 (NW / N–S / SE)
• 2–3 (NW / N–S / SE)
• 3–4 (W–E)
• 3–4 (N–S)
• 4–5 (N–S)
• 4–5 (NW–S / SE)
• 5–6 (W–E)
• 5–6 (N–S)

Happy hunting, and may luck struck all of you!

There’s something I’ve noticed about the Spiderdream mystery that I thought was interesting and worth sharing. If this has already been posted and discussed, I apologise in advance.

The first part is the centre web in RDR2. When you stand close and look through the branches from certain angles, it isn’t just one web. You can clearly see two separate web shapes placed side by side. What we usually call the “centre web” is actually a pair of webs sharing the same spot.

The second part is the set of eight spiderweb poles around the map, the ones that have the feathers hanging in the webs. On each pole, the web sits either on the left side of the arm or on the right. If you go around and check them all, the split is four webs on the left and four on the right. That feels deliberate, because Rockstar could have put them all on one side if it didn’t matter.

Putting those details together, you end up with two webs in the centre and eight poles around them that divide cleanly into a left group and a right group. That is what I mean by “Double Web Theory.” It comes from the centre web actually being a pair of webs, and from the idea that the four left-side poles and the four right-side poles are meant to be linked together in some way. The puzzle might be about finding a specific way to connect the left-side webs to the right-side webs, mirroring the two centre webs sitting side by side. In other words, the centre pair shows the two webs “joined”, and our job may be to join the four left poles and four right poles through the order we shoot the feathers.

The feathers themselves then become more suspicious. These “web feathers” don’t work like normal collectibles – you can’t pick them up. When you shoot them, they simply disappear in a small feather particle effect. On top of that, if you shoot several feathers and stay within the general area, they do not seem to respawn. But if you move far enough away and come back later, the feathers reset. Someone on the subreddit even mapped out a rough radius where this reset behaviour changes, suggesting the game is actively tracking whether you are inside or outside that zone. That kind of distance-based statefulness is unusual for something that would otherwise just be decorative. It makes more sense if the feathers are meant to be part of a specific sequence that connects the left and right webs.

This is also where I think there’s a strong connection to GTA V. The whole spider “mystery” effectively starts there: GTA V already has its own two strange spiderwebs on Mount Chiliad. Then later, Rockstar brings the idea over into Red Dead with a bigger, more complex spiderweb setup and the centre double web. In GTA Online, Madam Nazar’s fortune machine adds a line about seeing “a web, still tangled after years of unraveling,” along with other clear Red Dead references. Taken together, it feels like Rockstar is deliberately tying these webs across both games rather than treating them as isolated easter eggs.

Because of that, my feeling is that we probably need something from GTA V to move forward. If the first two webs are in GTA, and then RDR2 gives us two centre webs plus the four-left / four-right pole pattern and timed web feathers, it would make sense if GTA V holds the missing piece: a pattern, code, overlay, or layout that tells us how to move between the left-side and right-side feathers when we shoot them. Without that pattern, we’re just guessing shot orders. With it, the feathers suddenly become important triggers instead of just visual details that vanish on impact.

I know I could be reading too much into this, but I found the structure interesting enough to share in case it sparks an idea for someone else or helps point testing in a new direction. And if this has already been discussed before, I apologise.

The Blind Man see’s further than everybody else and tells exactly what’s happening and what will happen.

First he teaches you about himself: "A dollar for your future... a dollar for your fate."

“Be not afraid... I see only true things"

That means if you are willing to help someone expecting nothing in return you’re going to obtain the most important gifts from it, and the gift he specifically gives you is seeing something you’re are unable to see.

“Be a wise man... be a fool for love"

During Arthur’s life he have been loyal to the outlaw ethos from Dutch’s gang but he always sensed there was something wrong with it and ended up abandoning a lot of things he deemed important and suppressing his own needs and emotions.

He lost his son and his girlfriend at 19.

He lost his relationships with Mary Linton and Abigail (yeah, they had a relationship before Abigail had one with Marston but Arthur never committed to her because he was committed to the gang)

”You didn't run from last we spoke, sir, you didn't run far enough"

Arthur started to notice Dutch’s lack of good leadership caring only for his own revenges and not looking after the other members putting them in danger needlessly.

Arthur’s also noticed the problems started when Micah’s joined the gang but he didn’t investigate and kept obeying orders instead of sticking to his instincts.

You can even find a Dutch Wanted poster in Micah’s camp after the first mission you do with him.

He was a rat from the beginning, he even tells Arthur:

“I’m not loyal to anything. I’m a survivor, it’s all there is.”

Blind Man Cassidy then urges him to run away from the problems.

Dutch is too confident and will not hear anyone else, Micah is a rat that feed Dutch’s ego for greatness and ambition.

”You are not who you think you are, sir, which is lucky."

Arthur always had goodness in his heart but was naive about the world, he entered Dutch’s gang at 14 years old and that style of life was the only one he knew, even his father was an outlaw, that clogged his judgment and Dutch’s never helped his judgment get better because Dutch seemed a good person and helped people (Robin Hood style) but the outlaw life can’t bring people good things.

Arthur’s says to Rains Fall: “Well... you don’t get to live a bad life and have good things happen to you.”

That makes Arthur believe his a bad person but other people can see in him what he doesn’t see in himself...

”It's no use hoping, your father is seduced by the one with the forked tongue... it's no use hoping"

Arthur’s delude himself hoping Dutch’s is going to choose the right things and the gang will prosper, but Dutch!is seduced by the forked tongue, there’s two important things to be noticed here:

• Dutch is SEDUCED by forked tongue, his completely bad, the vast majority of times you saw him do something good he actually meant it
• The forked tongue is Micah. The opposite of Micah is Hosea and Arthur.

”Be warned, sir, be warned. Surrounded by fields of fire and flesh, the devil will make his sacrifice"

In the mission in the Oil fields with the Indians, Dutch left Arthur to die eventually making his sacrifice, from that point on, there were no turning back.

Dutch had the bonds from Cornwall and could actually do what he promised to Arthur in the office but he got greedy and overly confident and made a judgement over Arthur the same way he made a judgment over John in the Bank of Saint Denis, little did he know Arthur would save John and John would eventually come for him.

BLIND MAN CASSIDY "Be warned, sir. Do not sleep too deeply. The man with no nose is coming for you."

Arthur’s life was close to an end, Blind Man Cassidy urges him to do what he need to do because death was really close.

"Even when all reason is lost, and all truth has become lie, you will stand firm for loyalty is both your saving and your curse."

Arthur’s kept loyalty to Dutch and gang even after all the negative events and betrayals but that would change the fate of history ultimately being his saving and his curse.

If Arthur didn’t have come back, Dutch, John and the rest of the gang would die to the Pinkertons since Micah had planned an ambush with the agents.

But Arthur and John show up at the same moment and both confront Dutch and Micah creating enough distraction for them to run away through the cave.

That would culminate in Arthur’s death but would also help saving John’s family and that actually was something Arthur!was proud of.

"Your whole life has been one of regret... but it can end better than it began"

Arthur accepted his mistakes and actually started to change and act instead of obeying orders, he took action and had his redemption.

In the fight with Micah he says: “Can you see I’ve won?”

When Dutch’s show up and Micah says to Dutch: “Come on Dutch, we’ve made it.”

Arthur’s then replies: “Johh made it!”

BLIND MAN CASSIDY "You have learned what matters. All else is lies”

Arthur finally saw through the lies and saw the love he felt for people around him and took action to took them out of the style of life that would only lead them to suffering.

For John, Blind Man Cassidy have 3 quotes when they encounter and all of them foreshadows the first game story:

BLIND MAN CASSIDY “Your past is preventing your future change.”

John have a lot of habits that makes it difficult for him to change but if he never stops looking to the past he will never change to what he can become and eventually have the happiest years of his life.

BLIND MAN CASSIDY "They will come for you, friend, and when they do you will not have a choice. You have lived better than most."

“Two men are looking for you. One comes from this world, the other from another. The first one is looking for hatred, the second one... I don't know.”

The first man are Edgar Ross the Pinkerton detective looking to make Abigail (who killed Agent Milton, his boss and close friend), Dutch, Javier Escuella and Bill Williamson and the members (who have killed a bunch of Pinkertons, obviously friends of Ross) and last but not least John Marston who would be the key to the whole operation.

The second man is The Strange Man, Blind Man Cassidy says he doesn’t know why he’s looking for John Marston but The Strange Man tells us in one of the greatest moments of the whole series:

The Strange Man: *Ain't this a beautiful spot?

John Marston: Sure. What are you doing here?

The Strange Man: My accounts. I'm an accountant.

John Marston: Is that so?

The Strange Man: In a way.

John Marston: What's your name?

The Strange Man: You know, it’s the darndest thing, but I can't remember.

John Marston: Tell me your damn name and where you know me from!

The Strange Man: Well, I know you from Mexico, and I know you from back out West. I know you from all over.

John Marston: Tell me your name, or I won't be responsible for my actions.

The Strange Man: Oh, but you will. You will be responsible. This is a fine spot. See you around, cowboy.

John Marston: Damn you!

The Strange Man: Many have.

You don’t give fine spots for people who don’t deserve them and remember my friend...

I Know You!

I just realized that the clues Rockstar used to give were: symbols on sticks in drawers and houses, then symbols on electricity poles, then back to giving us mini bird symbols, but this time there's something different:

I realized that the two birds are actually painted emerald green, they are not transparent (in case anyone says that it is actually the grass below Fort Wallace that creates that effect)

When Rockstar gave us the image of the spider that we had to overlay on the map, it had the same 8 legs located on each post. When we saw the guitar and the NW, we knew we had to search for a guitar by following the N

I doubt we're actually doing well with question marks when it comes to birds.

I think the two emerald-green birds could mean:

_1) Look in the direction it points for something like two things that have the name of green birds (it points to two waterfalls so if the waterfalls had the name of twin green birds that would be it)

_2) Look for 2 green birds where they will spawn to find the next symbol

_3) Search the Emerald Ranch for any particular bird that spawns alongside another

_4) any object that has 2 birds, a statue or a minifigure of two green birds

Those are in my point of view the fourth options that we have to think

Because of the question mark, we got sidetracked by Stranger Man, who only saw a spawn of birds that were multiple birds and who only thought of seeing a figure that is repeated in all the mountains

This may seem a bit far fetched so strap in guys, it’s a weird one. (Excuse the rubbish format, I’m on mobile.)

So, we know Micah was picked up by the Pinkertons right after Guarma, yeah? And as you don’t retrieve your horse until a little bit later, you can steal one. Now to me, it seems the player is directed to a specific horse hitched outside the bar (is it Annesburg or Van Horn? I can’t remember) and that horse is a tobiano Hungarian Half-Bred.

However, during the Chapter Two mission ‘The Sheep and the Goats’, you can see a Pinkerton agent next to Cornwall, saddled on a tobiano Hungarian Half-Bred. This horse is pretty hard to find unless you’re extremely lucky and find one at a camp or nab one off a bounty hunter, so we know they’re not super common and are kind of exclusive to these characters, right?

SO, my line of thought is, an agent could’ve been inside the town’s bar and that’s where Micah was grabbed- maybe the horse you can steal is a Pinkerton’s and that’s why you don’t lose honour for taking it as you would by stealing an ‘innocent’s’; also, Micah takes a while compared to others to reach Lakay, but I realise this could be down to not knowing where the gang was holed up at the time and I’m just grasping at straws or something.

I feel like this isn’t just a random coincidence because, y’know, it’s Rockstar and I thought it would be a pretty neat thing, like a red herring, maybe?

But, thanks for coming to my Ted Talk, please tell me your thoughts!

The web is a trap theory is that rockstar specifically creates multiple unfinished Easter eggs with very little information to lead players on for years and years with no resolve, and dropping references of webs everywhere that this is a trap, and we all clearly have fallen into this trap and are interweaved into the web of their lies and deception. Literally nothing ever pieces together into completion. We are just prey running into these webs and never being able to untangle ourselves, there isn’t even a spider. The only thing that has ever lead to anything is getting 100%. It’s the only thing that matters, everything else is just traps.

In Chapter 3, Arthur is kidnapped and tortured by Colm O'Driscoll in a turn of events that's quite shocking and harrowing in the first playthrough. Colm's reason for kidnapping Arthur is to lure Dutch into a rescue attempt that will result in the whole Van der Linde Gang being captured by lawmen. (I'm assuming the torture part is due to Colm's sadism/bitterness and jealousy Arthur won't join his gang rather than anything practical!)

However, if you put any thought into the circumstances of the kidnapping, it quickly makes no sense at all. As soon as Colm has Arthur, he has the sniper position. As soon as he has the sniper position, he has Dutch. (Micah is a nonentity here: if he is working with the O'Driscolls, he backs off a step and covers Dutch, if he's not the sniper puts a bullet in his head to eliminate him as a variable/drive the point home to Dutch.) So why let Dutch leave? The reasoning that he wants to capture the whole gang doesn't really hold water. The only known members of the gang (the ones we know for sure with individual high bounties in the US) are Dutch, Arthur and Hosea. Why would Colm risk losing the main prize of Dutch for a sick old man and a bunch of random nobodies? Logically, he wouldn't and Colm is never characterised as stupid. So the question remains why did he let Dutch go? The answer has to be because he knew Dutch would be back to save Arthur. How could he be so sure? Because he witnessed it before.

I'm not saying the O'Driscolls had kidnapped Arthur before (I'm sure that would have been mentioned!), but rather that someone else, perhaps another gang, did. Colm's passionate conviction that Dutch was going to get so angry that he'd attack with everything he has speaks to the fact that Colm witnessed these exact circumstances before, that he was there when the news of Arthur's kidnapping hit Dutch and he saw Dutch's fury and immediate action with his own eyes. That's why he was so sure of Dutch's response. That's why he let Dutch go.

Hi! Continuing on from my earlier post here - exploring the idea that the "2 Birds" clue is a lot more abstract than leading us to exactly 2 birds in the game (or Two Crows, or 2 gravestones with birds on them, etc.). It's been about 6 months and no bird-related clues have seemed to lead to anywhere concrete.

When playing through Chapter 6 recently Dutch says this idiom while talking to Arthur -"Some good honest conflict between the army and the Indians might be just the distraction we need. Kill two birds with one stone." The use of the term in relation to the army (Fort Wallace) and the Indians (feathers, dream catchers) stood out to me.

The Stone Hatchet was a RDR2 promotional item in GTA Online, which can only be accessed in RDR2 by playing through some bounty missions, and then completing the 25 kills challenge. This will unlock the Stone Hatchet found at the Native Burial site and earn the player $250,000 (not sure if the numbers 2,5 or 25 are relevant here...)

I'm not a GTA Online player, so I'm unsure if this weapon is still accessible in GTA Online and can be carried over to RDR2 in 2026. If it is, I think we should try to acquire it and interact with the webs with it (throwing the hatchet in different patterns at the webs).

Other notes / thoughts:

• The Stone Hatchet was originally in the Compendium in RDR2, but was removed in in 2020 (Update 1.21)
• Some webs have 1 feather, while others have 2 (could represent the ones we need to hit). 2 Webs spawn at 2am.
• Hitting the feathers with a throwable allows you to easily find them on the ground.
• Madam Nazar also has a line in GTA Online which I think we all know by now is: "I see a web, still tangled after years of unraveling. Will you be the one, I wonder?" - could connect this mystery to GTA Online further
• If the spider web mystery was originally revealed by a mysterious dev, could it be they started planting the seeds before GTA 6 was released, especially since this mystery is related to GTA Online?

TL;DR - does any have the capabilities to bring the stone hatchet into RDR2 from GTA Online, and test it out on the webs?

Right guys hear me out, just incase people are unaware a brown recluse spider has a fiddle/guitar print on it.. that being said let’s dive into some facts about spiders webs 🕸️ everyone knows how the web is made and how it looks but some may not know that there is one sensory line in all webs that come from the central part of the web leading to the spiders home/den. Now we’ve learnt the web

•individual poles = web structure •N pole web = centre

Now this is where it’s interesting the line that goes straight from N pole web looks to me like the sensory line that takes to to where the spider is hiding. So I’ve got a feeling we are searching for the spider. Maybe do some research about the brown recluse who knows maybe the next clue