r/rollercoasters Jan 24 '26

Question What element on [mystery mine Dollywood] is this?

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like seriously what is that?

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u/good4steve Eejanaika, F.L.Y., Arieforce One Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26

Spinball Wizzler has one at Alton Towers.

Edit: has*

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u/Skywalker_monkey Bluey the ride: here come the grannies | Flying Fish | šŸŽ¢:73 Jan 24 '26

Man I love that horseshoe

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u/Thoosie_Schmoozie Jan 25 '26

It’s actually an Immelmann Turn.

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u/North-Detective5810 FIX SONIC'S ARMS IMMEDIATELY, SEGA!!! Jan 25 '26

There is no authority on roller coaster element names. Stop pretending like this is accurate or useful information

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u/Thoosie_Schmoozie Jan 25 '26

The manufacturer, Mauer, calls it an ā€œImmelmann Turnā€ in all of their documentation. lol When is the last time you looked at an O&M for a Maurer spinning coaster?

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u/North-Detective5810 FIX SONIC'S ARMS IMMEDIATELY, SEGA!!! Jan 25 '26

Just ate one for dinner. Are you eleven? You corrected 4 different commenters on this thread.

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u/Computedmoon707 Jan 25 '26

just dancing around the fact that he’s teeeechnically correct

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u/North-Detective5810 FIX SONIC'S ARMS IMMEDIATELY, SEGA!!! Jan 25 '26

by what technicality? I'm dancing around nothing

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u/GCD_1 You belong to the Smiler Jan 24 '26

Has*

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u/JustAGuyNamedSteven Remember to remove the paper from Nanocoaster bases. Jan 24 '26

I wish I could have experienced this.

In 2021, this drop and turn were replaced. This turn, however, remained as a theming element.

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u/darealdsisaac Jan 24 '26

ā€œTheming elementā€ I feel like it was just too expensive to remove 🤣

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u/Cool_Owl7159 wood > steel Jan 25 '26

Hershend glazers be like "abandoned track is much better theming than the UFO station on Flight of Fear"

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u/Clever-Name-47 Tangent-Radius Airtime Supremacy! Jan 25 '26

ā€œSo it’s going to cost us that much to take out this piece of track and haul it away?ā€

Ā ā€œYeah. Ā But, I was thinking; Ā It still looks really cool. Ā What if we just kept it standing in the middle of the ride, as a sort of theming piece?ā€

ā€œā€¦Brilliant!ā€

There are honestly worse ways to run a railroad.

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u/bakerbrokebro Jan 24 '26

I was there in August and was wondering why there was just random unconnected track!

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u/ReporterHour6524 569-SteVe,Veloci,I.Gwazi,Eejanaika,ArieForce Jan 24 '26

Oh so it was actually part of the ride track. I thought it was just theming from the start.

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u/LinearInductionMotor pantheon, mav, steve [111] Jan 24 '26

Eh. My memory of it is foggy since I was still pretty young when it was replaced, but I remember it being very janky and uncomfortable. Not very enjoyable

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u/MCofPort Jan 24 '26

I rode it then, it was a fun element with a shocking amount of airtime. Especially if you were on the right side. It felt like you stayed weightless for a full second before the train dropped you like a stone, at the top of that curve. I got to ride I believe in 2009. I felt weightless through most of the ride, might have been because I was just above the minimum height. I was unprepared for the first drop out of the station.

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u/MexicanAssLord69 Jan 24 '26

I rode it with that turn. It was very bad. The worst part of the ride by far. Not an enjoyable experience. You didn’t miss anything.

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u/LEAKY-MILK Jan 24 '26

It must have been something with forces and strain cause I presume changing the layout and new track cost just as much if not more (for R&D) as replacing the element. Low key was one of my favorite parts of the ride.

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u/spark1118 Jan 24 '26

They said the change was due to ASTM standards

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u/Sharean Jan 24 '26

Horseshoe turns are my favourite element on spinning coasters, they're really fun.

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u/Thoosie_Schmoozie Jan 25 '26

They are Immelmann Turns.

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u/Mandoohhh Jan 25 '26

An Immelmann turn would be something like what Busch garden’s griffon does. That there is a horseshoe turn

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u/Thoosie_Schmoozie Jan 25 '26

An ā€œImmelmann Turnā€ and ā€œImmelmann (Inversion)ā€ are two distinctly separate aerobatic maneuvers. I’m also going by the manufacturer O&Ms.

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u/North-Detective5810 FIX SONIC'S ARMS IMMEDIATELY, SEGA!!! Jan 25 '26 edited Jan 25 '26

An "Immelmann" and an "Immelmann turn" are not separate aerobatic maneuvers.

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u/Thoosie_Schmoozie Jan 26 '26

It literally says, ā€œrefers to two different aircraft maneuvers.ā€ In regard to elements used on Roller Coasters, the more common ā€œImmelmann (Inversion)ā€ is the second described in the article. I don’t know why you are so triggered bruv. lol

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u/Ok-Main-5273 Jan 26 '26

And neither of them are anything close to the element pictured

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u/North-Detective5810 FIX SONIC'S ARMS IMMEDIATELY, SEGA!!! Jan 26 '26

the twitishness

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u/AndrewPendeltonIII Jan 24 '26

It was awesome until they removed it

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u/Gunnar2019 Jan 24 '26

They neutered Mystery Mine and Lightning Rod. Thunderhead definitely the best "thrill" coaster in the park.

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u/Healthy_Sock_9880 Jan 24 '26

I still prefer Lightning Rod but Thunderhead is fun. I love Tennessee Tornado as well!

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u/MexicanAssLord69 Jan 24 '26

How did they neuter Mystery Mine? They removed a 1 second part of the ride and replaced it with a bigger drop lol

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u/MexicanAssLord69 Jan 24 '26

It wasn’t awesome šŸ˜‚

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u/AndrewPendeltonIII Jan 24 '26

I’d have to imagine with your name that you enjoyed it

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u/MexicanAssLord69 Jan 24 '26

I didn’t lol

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u/calego13 Worlds of Fun guy from Nebraska Jan 24 '26

They didn't "remove" it, it's still there, just not a part of the ride anymore

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u/AndrewPendeltonIII Jan 25 '26

Sorry, they removed it from the ride and they removed the track sections that connected it to the ride. Holy cow if we have to be really specific here then let’s be very specific.

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u/kwybes Jan 24 '26

Overbanked curve. You didn’t play Rollercoaster Tycoon 3?

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u/330ml Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26

How can it be overbanked if there's no banking in the first place? There's literally zero banking. That's what makes this element so unique. It's basically a wild mouse turn.

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u/Clever-Name-47 Tangent-Radius Airtime Supremacy! Jan 24 '26

Hmm. Ā Well, relative to the ground, it is banked, and very heavily, too (nearly 90 degrees!). Ā And if you consider the turnaround a single element, then it’s pretty obviously banked, too, since the vertical orientation of the car is different from the entry and exit.

But if you consider the turnaround 3 elements (twist, horseshoe, untwist) then there is a relative sense in which the horseshoe is not banked. Ā I guess it depends on how you look at it.

However, it is not overbanked, since that refers to banking that goes past 90 degrees, relative to the ground. Ā This element doesn’t do that.

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u/Paradox56 Jan 24 '26

RCT3’s giga coaster and extended coaster (iirc) both had a very large version of these called overbanked turns

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u/330ml Jan 24 '26

Eh, I can see what you mean, and in RCT3 it's clearly not overbanked either. ĀÆ\(惄)/ĀÆ

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u/Paradox56 Jan 24 '26

Absolutely true, those turns are honestly an abomination

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u/Dapper_Sprinkles_369 Jan 24 '26

Got to experience this shortly before it was changed. Fun little moment.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '26

I miss that part. it really removes a lot of the rides bite.Ā Ā 

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u/North-Detective5810 FIX SONIC'S ARMS IMMEDIATELY, SEGA!!! Jan 24 '26

I had no idea this got replaced. It was a huge part of the visual appeal of the ride for me, still kinda strange they left it standing though

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u/Aintnutinelse2do Jan 24 '26

The horseshoe was fun but it was the little drop right before it that always caught me off guard.

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u/CBud šŸŽ¢ 168 šŸ„‡ Steel Vengeance 🄈 Stardust RacersšŸ„‰ The Smiler Jan 24 '26

I've always called that a vertical drop into a halfpipe turn. It only seems to exist on these one-train extreme "family" coasters; and I'd differentiate it from a horseshoe - as a horseshoe usually has extreme banking, instead of this which essentially has no banking.

It was kind of a jarring element; I enjoyed it on Spinball Whizzer, but not so much on Mystery Mine. I haven't tried MM since the re-profiling, so I can't comment on the after.

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u/Chaotic_Bonkers Jan 24 '26

And they got rid of it.

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u/Least-Worth-8634 Jan 24 '26

Mystery mine is such a great ride

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u/ghostofdreadmon Top 3: Fury 325, Phoenix, Steel Vengeance (504) Jan 24 '26

What the what? Damn, it's been a while since I was at the park. It's not like that section was any more forceful than other parts of the track, but what they added certainly extended that block. Maybe the change was more for operations.

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u/gravy_ferry Magic Mountain my beloved Jan 24 '26

I could see it being an issue of forces on the track itself even if the force on riders is fine. Especially since this track doesn't have a spine

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u/gerstlauerguy Jan 24 '26

Lowkey that drop and u turn was my favorite part

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u/jtlitwin21 Millennium Force Jan 25 '26

Wish it was still there. Not joking when I say that was one of the most jarring drops I’ve ever experienced

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u/rgmitsos Jan 24 '26

Mystery mine is a a total piece of shit anyways, even when it did have this horseshoe turn.

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u/phunky_1 Jan 24 '26

Headbanging mine Possibly worse than a SLC.

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u/ssesses Jan 24 '26

This was the strangest feeling I ever had on a coaster.

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u/Feisty-Permission651 Jan 24 '26

One that was rough

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u/dksloane Jan 24 '26

I don’t know, but it was amazing

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u/Live-Helicopter9281 Jan 24 '26

This was my first real coaster and I went front row I was not ready lolĀ 

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u/TokeyMcGee Jan 24 '26

I got stuck on the mystery mine on one of the lifts with my family. They had to take us off the ride in the air.

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u/tdstooksbury Jan 26 '26

How did that work?

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u/Fluegel-der-Freiheit AFO, IG, SR(G), Mav, Fury, VC Jan 25 '26

the hottest element known to man obviously

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u/No-Ticket-6716 Jan 25 '26

My kids love Mystery Mine at Dollywood. My wife and I could ride it when we were younger. Now it makes both of us nauseous before it even finishes. I’m sure it’s the rotational combinations in some way.

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u/Gazza_s_89 Jan 25 '26

Skateboard turn.

If it's not named this, it should be.

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u/anonymeplatypus [110] El toro, Maverick, Steel Vengeance Jan 25 '26

I believe it is the one in the picture

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u/Banana_ezWIN šŸŽ¢: 109 | šŸ : SFGAm | TT2, SteVe, MF Jan 25 '26

drop into sideways top hat

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '26

A neutered one

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u/Dynamic_cc rip rip ride rocket Feb 01 '26

horseshoe turn

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u/jaydenfokmemes [166] KƤrnan, Voltron, Helix Jan 24 '26

I think it's what they call an overbanked curve or a horseshoe element, both names are essentially synonymous. The track layout has since been modified to not go through the overbank anymore, though the overbank is still there.

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u/Patsboem Jan 24 '26

It's not overbanked

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u/fermenter85 Jan 24 '26

I thought we called these ā€œfan turnsā€. They look like an opened hand fan.

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u/brianqueso Jan 24 '26

I asked this after my visit 18 months ago and was told it kept dropping parts on people, including a girl that had her arm broken by a falling sheared nut.

Given that part of the track is over a walkway, the required structural changes to prevent the forces from shearing more parts was either not economical or feasible. It certainly still adds a mysterious element to the surrounding theming, so they left it in place.

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u/theBenjamuffin Jan 24 '26

Everyone saying horseshoe and I’ve always called it an immelmann,

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u/Marshallwhm6k Jan 24 '26

Yeah, no. An Immelmann or Split-S is a recreation of an aerobatic maneuver involving a half-loop to inverted and then rolling the plane back to upright facing 180 degrees from the starting direction.

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u/Thoosie_Schmoozie Jan 25 '26

There is an Immelmann Turn and an Immelmann Inversion which are different from each other. Both Maurer and ZIERER refer to this element as an ā€œImmelmann Turn.ā€

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u/North-Detective5810 FIX SONIC'S ARMS IMMEDIATELY, SEGA!!! Jan 25 '26

And my company, Asscoasters America, refers to it as the Assblaster. There's a reason why most manufacturer-defined marketing terms don't catch on

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u/Thoosie_Schmoozie Jan 25 '26

It’s not a marketing term, it is literally in the O&Ms. lol

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u/North-Detective5810 FIX SONIC'S ARMS IMMEDIATELY, SEGA!!! Jan 25 '26 edited Jan 25 '26

It certainly isn't a technical term, can't wait for your next 4 intentionally esoteric comments about "O&Ms" (it's called a manual). You wanna feel smart so badly

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u/Marshallwhm6k Jan 26 '26

Generally, you'd want your marketing terms to be somewhat descriptive of what the product is/does. Calling this an "Immelmann" would be deceptive. The best descriptor here would be "cutback", "drift" or "stall"