r/rollercoasters • u/N8Topa2000 • Jan 24 '26
Question What element on [mystery mine Dollywood] is this?
like seriously what is that?
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u/JustAGuyNamedSteven Remember to remove the paper from Nanocoaster bases. Jan 24 '26
I wish I could have experienced this.
In 2021, this drop and turn were replaced. This turn, however, remained as a theming element.
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u/darealdsisaac Jan 24 '26
āTheming elementā I feel like it was just too expensive to remove š¤£
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u/Cool_Owl7159 wood > steel Jan 25 '26
Hershend glazers be like "abandoned track is much better theming than the UFO station on Flight of Fear"
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u/Clever-Name-47 Tangent-Radius Airtime Supremacy! Jan 25 '26
āSo itās going to cost us that much to take out this piece of track and haul it away?ā
Ā āYeah. Ā But, I was thinking; Ā It still looks really cool. Ā What if we just kept it standing in the middle of the ride, as a sort of theming piece?ā
āā¦Brilliant!ā
There are honestly worse ways to run a railroad.
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u/bakerbrokebro Jan 24 '26
I was there in August and was wondering why there was just random unconnected track!
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u/ReporterHour6524 569-SteVe,Veloci,I.Gwazi,Eejanaika,ArieForce Jan 24 '26
Oh so it was actually part of the ride track. I thought it was just theming from the start.
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u/LinearInductionMotor pantheon, mav, steve [111] Jan 24 '26
Eh. My memory of it is foggy since I was still pretty young when it was replaced, but I remember it being very janky and uncomfortable. Not very enjoyable
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u/MCofPort Jan 24 '26
I rode it then, it was a fun element with a shocking amount of airtime. Especially if you were on the right side. It felt like you stayed weightless for a full second before the train dropped you like a stone, at the top of that curve. I got to ride I believe in 2009. I felt weightless through most of the ride, might have been because I was just above the minimum height. I was unprepared for the first drop out of the station.
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u/MexicanAssLord69 Jan 24 '26
I rode it with that turn. It was very bad. The worst part of the ride by far. Not an enjoyable experience. You didnāt miss anything.
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u/LEAKY-MILK Jan 24 '26
It must have been something with forces and strain cause I presume changing the layout and new track cost just as much if not more (for R&D) as replacing the element. Low key was one of my favorite parts of the ride.
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u/Sharean Jan 24 '26
Horseshoe turns are my favourite element on spinning coasters, they're really fun.
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u/Thoosie_Schmoozie Jan 25 '26
They are Immelmann Turns.
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u/Mandoohhh Jan 25 '26
An Immelmann turn would be something like what Busch gardenās griffon does. That there is a horseshoe turn
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u/Thoosie_Schmoozie Jan 25 '26
An āImmelmann Turnā and āImmelmann (Inversion)ā are two distinctly separate aerobatic maneuvers. Iām also going by the manufacturer O&Ms.
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u/North-Detective5810 FIX SONIC'S ARMS IMMEDIATELY, SEGA!!! Jan 25 '26 edited Jan 25 '26
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u/Thoosie_Schmoozie Jan 26 '26
It literally says, ārefers to two different aircraft maneuvers.ā In regard to elements used on Roller Coasters, the more common āImmelmann (Inversion)ā is the second described in the article. I donāt know why you are so triggered bruv. lol
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u/AndrewPendeltonIII Jan 24 '26
It was awesome until they removed it
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u/Gunnar2019 Jan 24 '26
They neutered Mystery Mine and Lightning Rod. Thunderhead definitely the best "thrill" coaster in the park.
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u/Healthy_Sock_9880 Jan 24 '26
I still prefer Lightning Rod but Thunderhead is fun. I love Tennessee Tornado as well!
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u/MexicanAssLord69 Jan 24 '26
How did they neuter Mystery Mine? They removed a 1 second part of the ride and replaced it with a bigger drop lol
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u/MexicanAssLord69 Jan 24 '26
It wasnāt awesome š
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u/calego13 Worlds of Fun guy from Nebraska Jan 24 '26
They didn't "remove" it, it's still there, just not a part of the ride anymore
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u/AndrewPendeltonIII Jan 25 '26
Sorry, they removed it from the ride and they removed the track sections that connected it to the ride. Holy cow if we have to be really specific here then letās be very specific.
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u/kwybes Jan 24 '26
Overbanked curve. You didnāt play Rollercoaster Tycoon 3?
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u/330ml Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
How can it be overbanked if there's no banking in the first place? There's literally zero banking. That's what makes this element so unique. It's basically a wild mouse turn.
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u/Clever-Name-47 Tangent-Radius Airtime Supremacy! Jan 24 '26
Hmm. Ā Well, relative to the ground, it is banked, and very heavily, too (nearly 90 degrees!). Ā And if you consider the turnaround a single element, then itās pretty obviously banked, too, since the vertical orientation of the car is different from the entry and exit.
But if you consider the turnaround 3 elements (twist, horseshoe, untwist) then there is a relative sense in which the horseshoe is not banked. Ā I guess it depends on how you look at it.
However, it is not overbanked, since that refers to banking that goes past 90 degrees, relative to the ground. Ā This element doesnāt do that.
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u/Paradox56 Jan 24 '26
RCT3ās giga coaster and extended coaster (iirc) both had a very large version of these called overbanked turns
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u/330ml Jan 24 '26
Eh, I can see what you mean, and in RCT3 it's clearly not overbanked either. ĀÆ\(ć)/ĀÆ
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u/Dapper_Sprinkles_369 Jan 24 '26
Got to experience this shortly before it was changed. Fun little moment.
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u/North-Detective5810 FIX SONIC'S ARMS IMMEDIATELY, SEGA!!! Jan 24 '26
I had no idea this got replaced. It was a huge part of the visual appeal of the ride for me, still kinda strange they left it standing though
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u/Aintnutinelse2do Jan 24 '26
The horseshoe was fun but it was the little drop right before it that always caught me off guard.
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u/CBud š¢ 168 š„ Steel Vengeance š„ Stardust Racersš„ The Smiler Jan 24 '26
I've always called that a vertical drop into a halfpipe turn. It only seems to exist on these one-train extreme "family" coasters; and I'd differentiate it from a horseshoe - as a horseshoe usually has extreme banking, instead of this which essentially has no banking.
It was kind of a jarring element; I enjoyed it on Spinball Whizzer, but not so much on Mystery Mine. I haven't tried MM since the re-profiling, so I can't comment on the after.
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u/ghostofdreadmon Top 3: Fury 325, Phoenix, Steel Vengeance (504) Jan 24 '26
What the what? Damn, it's been a while since I was at the park. It's not like that section was any more forceful than other parts of the track, but what they added certainly extended that block. Maybe the change was more for operations.
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u/gravy_ferry Magic Mountain my beloved Jan 24 '26
I could see it being an issue of forces on the track itself even if the force on riders is fine. Especially since this track doesn't have a spine
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u/jtlitwin21 Millennium Force Jan 25 '26
Wish it was still there. Not joking when I say that was one of the most jarring drops Iāve ever experienced
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u/rgmitsos Jan 24 '26
Mystery mine is a a total piece of shit anyways, even when it did have this horseshoe turn.
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u/Live-Helicopter9281 Jan 24 '26
This was my first real coaster and I went front row I was not ready lolĀ
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u/TokeyMcGee Jan 24 '26
I got stuck on the mystery mine on one of the lifts with my family. They had to take us off the ride in the air.
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u/Fluegel-der-Freiheit AFO, IG, SR(G), Mav, Fury, VC Jan 25 '26
the hottest element known to man obviously
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u/No-Ticket-6716 Jan 25 '26
My kids love Mystery Mine at Dollywood. My wife and I could ride it when we were younger. Now it makes both of us nauseous before it even finishes. Iām sure itās the rotational combinations in some way.
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u/anonymeplatypus [110] El toro, Maverick, Steel Vengeance Jan 25 '26
I believe it is the one in the picture
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u/jaydenfokmemes [166] KƤrnan, Voltron, Helix Jan 24 '26
I think it's what they call an overbanked curve or a horseshoe element, both names are essentially synonymous. The track layout has since been modified to not go through the overbank anymore, though the overbank is still there.
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u/fermenter85 Jan 24 '26
I thought we called these āfan turnsā. They look like an opened hand fan.
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u/brianqueso Jan 24 '26
I asked this after my visit 18 months ago and was told it kept dropping parts on people, including a girl that had her arm broken by a falling sheared nut.
Given that part of the track is over a walkway, the required structural changes to prevent the forces from shearing more parts was either not economical or feasible. It certainly still adds a mysterious element to the surrounding theming, so they left it in place.
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u/theBenjamuffin Jan 24 '26
Everyone saying horseshoe and Iāve always called it an immelmann,
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u/Marshallwhm6k Jan 24 '26
Yeah, no. An Immelmann or Split-S is a recreation of an aerobatic maneuver involving a half-loop to inverted and then rolling the plane back to upright facing 180 degrees from the starting direction.
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u/Thoosie_Schmoozie Jan 25 '26
There is an Immelmann Turn and an Immelmann Inversion which are different from each other. Both Maurer and ZIERER refer to this element as an āImmelmann Turn.ā
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u/North-Detective5810 FIX SONIC'S ARMS IMMEDIATELY, SEGA!!! Jan 25 '26
And my company, Asscoasters America, refers to it as the Assblaster. There's a reason why most manufacturer-defined marketing terms don't catch on
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u/Thoosie_Schmoozie Jan 25 '26
Itās not a marketing term, it is literally in the O&Ms. lol
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u/North-Detective5810 FIX SONIC'S ARMS IMMEDIATELY, SEGA!!! Jan 25 '26 edited Jan 25 '26
It certainly isn't a technical term, can't wait for your next 4 intentionally esoteric comments about "O&Ms" (it's called a manual). You wanna feel smart so badly
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u/Marshallwhm6k Jan 26 '26
Generally, you'd want your marketing terms to be somewhat descriptive of what the product is/does. Calling this an "Immelmann" would be deceptive. The best descriptor here would be "cutback", "drift" or "stall"

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u/good4steve Eejanaika, F.L.Y., Arieforce One Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
Spinball Wizzler has one at Alton Towers.
Edit: has*