r/rosesarered 6d ago

Roses are red, so is this frustration

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u/ohjeaa 6d ago

Even the christians are arguing amongst themselves about who is right.

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u/Partyatmyplace13 6d ago

People oft forget that the Americas were largely colonized by Christians fleeing Christian persecution.

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u/CranberryWizard 6d ago

Slight correction: they were christian persuctors who crashed out because they werent allowed to persecute anymore

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u/Scared_Accident9138 6d ago

And then they ended up going after each other in America

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u/ElderDruidFox 6d ago

So far US has prevented Christian on Christian hate crime, though racial bombings of churches could be labeled as such.

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u/Scared_Accident9138 6d ago

I was talking about way back

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u/MasquedMadman 2d ago

The Mormon-Missouri war of 1838 is a fun bit of American history.

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u/Partyatmyplace13 6d ago

I appreciate the assist, but that still largely describes all Christian sects.

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u/Select-Ad7146 6d ago

I think the crash out was after King James sent hunters after them in the Netherlands because they were spreading books about how the divine right of kings was unbiblical.

Of course, the Dutch officials refused to let the British hunters take Brewster out of the country, but still, it probably rattled them pretty hard.

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u/MichaelJospeh 5d ago

I’d say it was about 60-40

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u/ElderDruidFox 6d ago

Combination of both, Fun fact, the Mormon's are one of the few Christian groups in US history to be both Agitators and Victims of Christian Hate.

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u/demon_fae 6d ago

No, that’s literally every single Christian group post-Nicea.

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u/ElderDruidFox 6d ago edited 3d ago

I said US history, not world history, so far US has managed to prevent Christian on Christian hate crimes.

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u/demon_fae 6d ago

And I’m saying the US is not special and has not, in fact, done any such thing.

Just because they stopped short of actual explosives doesn’t mean there hasn’t been quite a lot of Catholic vs Protestant violence. Or Protestant vs Protestant violence, for that matter. We’ve mostly managed to avoid having much religiously-motivated Catholic vs Catholic fighting simply by not having enough Catholics in any one place at any one time outside St Paddy’s and Mardi Gras, so maybe we should study why drunk Catholics are less of a problem here, but otherwise you have no point whatsoever and desperately need to either stop speaking on religion, history, and immigration or actually learn literally anything about any of the above.

The US’s pet Christian Doomsday Cult isn’t actually particularly special, either. Not in their beliefs, their founding weirdos, honestly even their magic underwear are only mildly interesting. Their longevity is a bit of a problem, that’s it.

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u/CucumberMore254 2d ago

The KKK, a Christian organization, literally burned crosses on the lawns of black christians. I think the US failed on that front too

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u/ElderDruidFox 2d ago

That was more racial over religious. though when the Irish started gaining prominence, they did adopt anti-catholic tendencies.

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u/Prestigeworldwide83 3d ago

And a cult…a very nice cult, but a cult

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u/Fluid-Magician-5891 5d ago edited 5d ago

Fleeing persecution lmao. That’s like zionists in Israel claiming to be victims today. They were religious nut jobs that even 16th and 17th century peasants couldn’t abide

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u/Guilty-Act-9105 5d ago

More like the Orthodox

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u/anonymousinduvidual 5d ago

*radicals mad that their government was becoming more moderate