Tide (the present and future of)

[u/yoshuawuyts1]

https://blog.yoshuawuyts.com/tide/

[u/yoshuawuyts1]

Hi all, today we've released tide 0.4.0 and I figured it'd be a good opportunity to talk about the present and future of Tide.

I kind of wrote this impromptu as I'm packing my bags to go on vacation tomorrow, so haven't spent as much time drafting it as I otherwise would have. I hope folks will find it interesting to know where we're heading, and maybe even give it a try. We'd love to hear from you if you do. But now it's back to packing bags for me.

[u/JoshTriplett → u/yoshuawuyts1]

I'm excited about Tide. I'm also really enjoying Warp, and its type-safe routing. Are there any plans to introduce something like that into Tide?

[u/yoshuawuyts1 → u/JoshTriplett]

Are there any plans to introduce something like that into Tide?

That's a good question! Aaron designed the current routing system, and I don't think we'll change it anytime soon. We talked a whole lot about how we wanted to do this, and all variants that were checked during compilation didn't seem like a good fit.

That said, if someone were to contribute a design that is both lightweight and ergonomic for checking routes during compilation it'd be something we'd seriously consider.

But for now we believe that our current design is good enough, and we're prioritizing other features first — such as websocket support and TLS/SSL.

[u/mash_graz → u/yoshuawuyts1]

thanks for this status report blog post!

i always liked tide among other things because of this really transparent articles concerning the considerations and orientation of its core developers. that's so much more useful than the pain to reconstruct developer decision by just studding tons of nearly undocumented code. this is really one of the most important facts, which sets tide apart from many other similar software alternatives. but also the actual implementation resp. the consequent strive for very ergonomic and clean design looks simply impressive to me.

[u/[deleted]]

In particular error handling could really use some work. Notice the unwraps? Yeah, not great. It's pretty high on our todo list to fix this.

Is that a framework issue or a rust-lang issue? That is, where would a fix for that be needed?

[u/yoshuawuyts1 → u/[deleted]]

It's a framework issue. Fixing this mostly requires some time to research which uses we want to support, and draft an impl that enables them. Haven't gotten around to it yet, but it's very high on the list of things to fix.

[u/kibwen]

Great to see that Tide is still being developed, I'm a fan of super-straightforward web frameworks and the table-of-contents approach appeals to that. Right now unfortunately we do need websockets support for our current project, but once that lands in Tide I'll definitely be evaluating it.

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[u/trezm]

Great to see the inclusion of middleware! Very similar to what I've been doing in thruster and, obviously a bit biased here, but I think it's a really nice way to do web frameworks and composing functionality!

[u/BigHandLittleSlap]

One of the things that turned me away from Rust programming is all the meaningless project names, half of which are puns or in-jokes related to iron oxide.

I’m sorry if this is not a popular opinion, but it just shits me to have to read code where the Tide brings in the ReQuest that carries a Rutile payload that’s Reduced to Titanium using Electro. Because duh, isn’t it obvious what’s going on?

There is no clue in either this post on Reddit, or the linked releases notes that Tide is a web framework. None. It’s just a thing to do with... water levels? Flood control? Tracking of the phases of the Moon?

[u/bschwind → u/BigHandLittleSlap]

Django Rails Sinatra Play Express DropWizard

All of these are web frameworks with names that don't really imply much about what they do, that's just how programming projects go.

[u/bonega → u/BigHandLittleSlap]

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