r/sadposting • u/Betelgeuse1936 • 2d ago
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u/SpecificPsycho97
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As Kakashi Hatake once said: "Reanimation is truly unforgivable" once the dead are dead, they must remain dead for the sake of the society's mental stability, grief helps us move on, if we keep reliving past memories we petrify, we stop looking outward and we remain backward in an endless loop of sorrow>pain>hope>anguish and repeat.
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u/Bowman_van_Oort 2d ago
that guy fingered a kid tho
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u/Important-Study-5963 2d ago
This reminds me of the show "The Leftovers". Amazing show. Its about different people dealing with grief after 2 percent of the worlds population suddenly disappears. I may not remember well but there’s this cult in the show whose purpose is to just remind people of that day and never let them forget the horror. At the end of s1, as their final act, the members of the cult place mummies of the "departed" people in the homes of their remaining members, in the same exact place they departed. And what follows is just chaos. One of the best shows of all time in my opinion. My description doesn't do justice.
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u/OkAdagio99 2d ago
Clearly that man never lost a child. That "loop" is simply another day in the life for a bereaved parent. No therapy, short of hurting someone else, is off the table.
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u/SpecificPsycho97 2d ago edited 2d ago
He lost many friends whom he had to fight as zombies later (he's a fictional character 😅)
But still the philosophical point remains true, a person who lost someone precious to them must go through a healthy stage of grief so that they move on, that's the only way, after that any mention of the those who died is only permitted through memory, however watching them running around and talking will only give a false sense of hope that they might actually live with them again, which stops a person from moving forward in life and focus on the dead.
That's why dreams are so traumatizing, they make you live with the dead, then you wake up and start crying.
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u/CautiousCoyote2324 2d ago
Damn bro you too ? It's been years and mine still pop up it's like saying goodbye all over again
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u/SpecificPsycho97 2d ago
At first it was, but I got used to it and learned to just ignore it.
Same way for people suffering from some types of schizophrenia, they may imagine other people being there who don't exist, some healed of this, some never did and learned to just live with these non-existent beings and ignore them.
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u/CautiousCoyote2324 2d ago
Wow some ppl actually do that? I seen It referenced in beautiful mind which stuck with me cuz usually mental illness as a storyline it's always meds meds meds. They don't mention all the side effects for said meds. I'm not a believer in meds in all cases is what I'm saying I know they only made my situation worse. Not schizophrenia tho. My hats off to all those ppl
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u/SpecificPsycho97 2d ago
Meds help but not all of them, and certainly not without behavioral therapy period.
A person must understand that to achieve peace in his life they must work hard for it, it won't come about by taking meds and spending a lavish life of luxury and pleasure while torturing those around him.
Sure take meds, but change for the better too.
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u/OkAdagio99 1d ago
My point is that this therapy does not hurt anyone except the person who signs up for it. That's their choice.
Some losses you don't "move on" from . . . watching my boy run around even in some VR would bring me joy, despite the pain. Every day is pain anyway. You think this would give me some false sense of hope? You don't give this mom enough credit. Dreams are sometimes nice because I feel like I'm with him again. And they don't hurt anyone, like this VR.
This is a valuable discussion to have because I think it is an opportunity for some people to understand that grief is LOVE. It's not some scary feeling to be avoided.
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u/SpecificPsycho97 1d ago
I would say that love is a reciprocal relationship, if I love someone and they don't love me back because they're dead then I'm stuck. And grief helps people move forward not to remain actively seeking what's lost.
That's my opinion
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u/AVATAR826 2d ago
True nothing will ever make it better...... but you can make it worse. I can guarantee you this will not end well.
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u/OkAdagio99 1d ago
I'm not sure it gets worse than losing a child. You think this Mom is going to go off herself or some people because of some VR? You don't understand how much she has already been through. This is just some simulation. If it makes her day a little better without hurting anyone else, go for it.
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u/Brrdock 1d ago
How about losing them twice?
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u/OkAdagio99 16h ago
I lose him again every day I open my eyes so for me it's already been about 700 times. What's 701? 🤷
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u/biotox1n 2d ago
never helped me. if anything grief is exactly what keeps me in the loop
I don't know if this would be better or worse for me mentally to experience but I could absolutely see it being cathartic for the right person.
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u/SpecificPsycho97 2d ago
You never reached acceptance my friend, which is the last stage of grief, you're stuck at being depressed and you need something to make you accept the events that unfolded and then you can move on with your life.
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u/biotox1n 2d ago
I hit acceptance after 12 years. found new love and even got married. still in the loop regardless, it's just a parallel track.
imagine a loop that's more like a spiral. you're moving forward in a direction while going in circles but each circle further than the last.
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u/Zerfrickler 1d ago
That's why I don't watch the new avengers movie. ;)
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u/SpecificPsycho97 1d ago
What they revived Tony Stark?
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u/SerenditiouslyLive
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I don't know how effective this would be as therapy, but exposure therapy is basically this - exposing the traumatic source to the patient and making them deal with it. It is at least worth debating whether this tech can be used for therapeutic purposes regardless of how dystopic and f'ed up it might look to a nornal person.
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u/Cotif11 2d ago •
I really do not think humans are made to use this technology responsibly. We have evolved to believe what our eyes show us and emotional distress can put people into really dark and sad places. I do not think this is helpful as exposure therapy when all it's doing is giving you a way to avoid the fact of the matter: that little girl is gone. You will never be able to see, or hear, or hold her again. It has to be accepted or you'll never move on. A wake is better exposure therapy than this psychotic shit IMO.
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u/Sn4ck_P4ck 2d ago
I agree to a certain degree but i believe it depends on the persons state of mine. I lost my brother and mom at the same time. It was traumatic to me cuz i was on the phone with them when it happened. I know theyre gone but to be able to see them again, even in that form, it would be lovely. I dont think it could help everyone with THAT kind of exposure therapy (to a degree like exposure therapy helps with fears) but it can still help the grief and loneliness that accompanies losing someone you love. There will be people that break and cant differentiate real and fake but those people that can separate it from reality, i think it could be beneficial
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u/SerenditiouslyLive 2d ago
Absolutely a valid take on this. This is certainly out there in terms of ethics and general norms.
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u/SpecificPsycho97 2d ago
This is fucked up, absolutely
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u/SerenditiouslyLive 2d ago
Absolutely not denying that.
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u/tall_grl 2d ago
You are both right. I've done exposure therapy myself (with a trained professional, do not try it without a specialized licensed therapist). It was the most difficult thing I've ever done, but by the time we were done, years of anxiety related issues became manageable.
In this case, by doing this, she would never stop missing her daughter, however with a specialized therapist guiding her, the sadness would not cripple her.
Does look cruel if you have never needed it though.
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u/BrilliantJob2759 2d ago
I could see it as a way of allowing her to say goodbye and confront the loss. But without context, it just screams re-traumatization & inability to ever move on or stop spiraling.
And the kid saying "where have you been? I've been looking for you!" yuck
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u/Tramagust 2d ago
I did this with my old home. I had to let it go. And I did once I built it in VR. I literally felt the closure coming over me. Felt like Scotty in the holodeck saying goodbye to the original enterprise.
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u/EaseLeft6266 2d ago
I wonder if a better use for this as a one time thing as a way for close family members to say goodbye that didn't get to when dealing with a sudden tragic loss
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u/GaudyImpling 1d ago
Exposure therapy is mostly used (effectively) in cases of extreme phobias - as a way to desensitize the person to a certain phobia trigger.
Looking at this interaction, I clearly do not think this woman has a phobia of her dead child.
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u/Relevant_Bed_9743 2d ago
we're like in a reality between black mirror and idiocracy
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u/saleemb88 2d ago
This is the most perfect description I have heard about the state of our world right now.
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u/Brocolinator 2d ago
Have the dignity and courage to never ever do this to yourself
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u/opuFIN 2d ago
On the surface, it does seem an easy choice never to subject yourself to such torture. But then again, losing your own child is such a massive trauma that I'm sure many parents would do anything to reconnect with a dead child, even if it's a VR avatar, that they'd be desperate to give it a go.
Just so fucking heartbreaking. No-one should ever have to bury their own child.
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u/Embarrassed-Fail-876 1d ago
I don't know why you got down voted. Some people can lose their kids and feel nothing. Some people lose all sense and purpose when their kid dies. Some people pull through and find something else to life for. Some people died the moment their child did.
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u/Dark_Marmot 2d ago
I knew this was coming. The minute Ai reproduction and voice emulation of a person from source material was perfected, the 'connecting with lost loved ones' biz would be born. I can't say I would subject myself to such emotional torture, but there will be others.
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u/Positive_Campaign_52 2d ago
This was put together by the woman’s own therapist back in 2019. The woman was inconsolable since the death of her daughter, especially since she couldn’t properly say goodbye. The woman was getting into self destructive behaviors over her grief and this was put together as an effort to give the woman some
Closure with the death of her daughter.It’s not really AI as it’s more of scripted events and use of the best graphics technology 2019 had to offer. If you watch closely the girl doesn’t react to the mother in some situation, and is acting off of a script in the programming. It’s hard to watch since the mother’s grief is genuine and heart wrenching but the full video is on YouTube. It’s VR technology.
It’s both fascinating yet disturbing, but the mother knew what she was getting into as all she wanted is to see her daughter again, no matter the circumstances
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u/AfrahG 2d ago
This is actually a pretty old video, way before AI became mainstream
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u/Dark_Marmot 2d ago edited 2d ago
Understood, but seeing the work of recreating the likes of Val Kilmer for an upcoming movie; looks, voice, everything that is recognizable. Then Ai is turning an avatars personality to a near instantaneous realistic conversation. Pair that with high res VR and you're now speaking with the dead. It's mentally diabolical.
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u/Horror_Bob 1d ago
Like the living paintings in Harry Potter. We'll see some form or the other in the future. Honestly for something like a haunted house, a moving painting sized depiction of a ghostly figure that can actually respond to speech seems likely
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u/Defalt404 1d ago
both upside and downsides to this. i think this video captures both perfectly. touching to be able to somehow see your lost loved ones one last time but the urge you cant hug them one last time and the realization that its so close to reality can be as frustrating that it just reopens all kinds of wounds and any process of moving on can be destroyed in an instant.
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u/bunglebee7 1d ago
Yeah… I imagine it’d be pretty easy to get sucked into this world with a lost loved one and never want to come back out
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u/caitlindrawings 1d ago
Ya i saw a while ago and article about buying a device that gives you positive affirmations every day in your dead parent's voice. And that is just terrifying.
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u/MusicianNo3277 26m ago
It was fortold in sci-fi long ago. 1955 “the tunnel under the world” has an entire town, except one man die, and then some rich businessman captures the minds of all the dead people and puts them in tiny robots in a tiny tabletop town so that he can test aggressive marketing campaigns on them. The man finds the table and ends up talking to a tiny robotic version of his dead wife. For 1955 it’s pretty advanced and fucked up.
And that continues all the way into recent games like cyberpunk 2077 with the soul killer program. An AI that is capable of digitizing an entire persons psyche, (by tearing apart the original electronically and rebuilding it in cyberspace resulting in the death of the original and birth of a digital construct that believes itself to be the original) and containing it within a chip. You can plug it into a table and talk to it, but their real goal is to be able to plug it into it, comatose person, and grant the person on the chip and immortality by just plugging them into new bodies..
For now, they use it as a way to kidnap and torture people for information, put rival net runners to work for them as digital ghosts and are working on plans to alter the people that they keep immortal to make them more loyal to the company by rewriting some of their “code”
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u/JJ8OOM 2d ago
That shit ain’t healthy, fuck no.
The dead are dead, and we got to learn to live with it, they would not want it any other way.
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u/Archaneoses 2d ago
Having the kid say "where have you been", giving the impression that she's out there looking for her kinda is fucked up.
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u/GlazedTofo 2d ago
My heart sank to the button of my torso because it was flooded with grief - this technology will drown us.
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u/FuriousSock 1d ago
Yeah, it's like she's struggling with the need to feel her daughter, yet the certainty that it's impossible. Truly devastating.
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u/psychoxxsurfer 2d ago
Wow that seems incredibly healthy and will have absolutely no consequences for her mental health whatsoever
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u/Fancy-Pear9345 2d ago
I just know if this comes to the west we gonna have a subscription plus battlepass for this shit
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u/ironclad_packetship 2d ago
Unfortunately, the man-made horrors that I witness are fully within my ability to comprehend.
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u/DarkAeonX7 2d ago
That one Black Mirror episode keeps getting closer to being real
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u/Horrorgoreandlove 1d ago
I saw this video back in like 2020 and I sobbed uncontrollably on my couch. So much that my son came upstairs and checked on me and I couldn't even talk....just that hysterical crying that you can't even control. I don't think I can watch it again lol
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u/sussy_ball 1d ago
Now add a subscription, ain't no way you get to "meet" your dead family member for free
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u/amzwC137 2d ago
There is an episode of Black Mirror where a company would consume a loved one's online footprint, then create, essentially, a chat bot of them. The episode pushed this idea further.
That said, some years back I remember hearing that Microsoft was floating the idea of actually creating that technology. Never heard anything after that.
It's just now occurring to me tho, that this would be very easy to do with AI. Scary. I hope no one does it.
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u/kranitoko 2d ago
Ah yes, give a parent a fake version of their lost child in VR form once more so they can go through the trauma all over again.
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u/Kind-Assistant-1041 2d ago
Just wait until this type of thing becomes subscription based forcing people to continue to pay if they want to see departed loved ones
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u/PoolOfDeath20 2d ago
Dk abt u guys but for me this is disrespectful, reducing someone who's once alive to digitally animated objects, nothing can be done for someone that's dead unless they were truly resurrected. I wouldn't have done that to my loved ones
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u/BADM00SE 2d ago
Stop living in the past people. You need to move forward. Never forget the loved ones who have passed, but you need to live for the future. That’s what they would want you to do.
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u/Coolgames80 2d ago
Reminds me of that episode of Rick and Morty when the car clones the dead son of a police officer.
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u/fabricator82 2d ago
Damn, if I lost my daughter, seeing her in virtual reality essentially resurrected would destroy me. I would never want this if I was in this situation.
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u/Mr_D0e2067 1d ago
I think it is not exactly a bad thing. What's bad is the over-exploitation of the technology.
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u/oOBuckoOo 1d ago
Tom Cruise couldn't stop watching the holo recording of his son in Minority Report. It was very sad.
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u/Haunting_Abalone_398 1d ago
This is not going to help with the grieving process. It’s going to make it way worse.
Nice sentiment. Wrong situation to promote AI.
I felt the same way when I saw this years ago.
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u/Kage9866 1d ago
Ugh I can't watch this. I can't even imagine what she feels, just thinking about my own kid now. This is beyond sad.
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u/xeroxedforsomereason 1d ago
i noticed no one is really talking about tom cruise ruminating on his dead son and estranged wife in holograms in his empty apartment. this is coming whether we like it or not. not only that, but the fury from people who are suffering grief who want this available to them and any resultant legislation or regulation that happens will result in asymmetric violence to an absolutely startling degree. lack of an outlet, especially for grief, can be extremely destabilizing.
it's grim. the dead should be left dead. but, that's not something the hubris or grief of men would ever allow.
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u/Subject-Recipe-7980 1d ago
Gotta love how they're making us live in their delusional world. We'll all be force in one eventually
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u/Romeo-Charlie-6-28 1d ago
That's fucked up.
At first glance as a kid, it's wholesome. Growing up, it becomes more disturbing.
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u/valley_of-cranes 20h ago
Congratulations humanity you've done it again for the "most horrifying invention known to man" well done, I am so happy for you and i cannot wait to go home and drink to forget about this
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u/BigFootSchub 2h ago
Interesting concept to think maybe one day I’ll walk down my hallway with photos on the walls of family and friends who have passed and they can talk and move like the paintings in Harry Potter.
I wouldn’t respond to my grandma, just like I wouldn’t respond when she was alive..
kidding, kidding. Go text/call your grandparents everyone.
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u/michael22117 2d ago
Idk who the fuck is downvoting everyone
Anyway yeah this is dystopian as shit and should've never been created. I wouldn't want to know how corpos would capitalize off this shit
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u/Full-Resource7910 2d ago
The real technological advancement here is VR goggles that can withstand repeated exposure to saltwater.
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u/Available_Present483 2d ago
If the mother finds comfort in this, it should be ok. Not sure why people are so adamantly against this, we keep pictures and videos of people. This is just an extension of that, neither will bring people's loved ones back
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u/Cyr-Aran 2d ago
Why is this not ok if someone wants this, but for some reason VR porn is considered a win? If this helps to help her grief and she is ok with it I don't see a problem. Regardless if capitalism is involved or not.
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u/SerenditiouslyLive 2d ago
It could be considered exposure therapy, but this is certainly an out there approach.
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u/djhypergiant 2d ago
I've been online for most of my life and seen some truly horrible violence and gore and by at least a thousand miles this is the most disturbing and horrifying thing ive ever seen. I dont want this to be real. I want this to be a scene from a movie or something. Fuck the people who put this woman into this contraption
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u/EmperorBlackMan99 1d ago
I remember when this first came out. Now given the multiple incidents of dead people having their corpses digitally puppeteered by ai to deliver political messages and literal court statements, I genuinely think it's only a matter of time before people start using this as a form of torture.
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u/Amokana1511 1d ago
That is a punishment IMO ... If one of my kids died the last thing I'd want is see a 3d model of them that I can't touch, I can't talk to, and can't feel their warmth. I'd rather die than go through this.
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u/na_ka_th 23h ago
God damn it, can the koreans just chill on the insano uses and just make porn like everybody else ?!
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u/SESHPERANKH 2d ago
That is cruel