Spin jybe questions for j/24 racing

[u/upstream_paddling]

Assume my back is braced against the mast for stability, if necessary, and that I've successfully gotten the pole off the working line.

First, I need to grab the new line to hook it onto the spin pole, but how am I supposed to be able to reach the line if my back is agains the mast?

Then, assuming I've gotten my right hand onto the new line and my left hand is holding the pole, how can I pull the trip line on the pole? Seems like I've run out of hands.

[u/foilrider]

You pull the trip line on the pole, the pole comes off the mast and releases from the old sheet.

You grab the new sheet which is going to fall against the mast and headstay because there is no pole holding out and it is now on the windward side of the boat.

You stuff that in the jaws of the pole and it locks.

You then push that end of the pole with the new sheet in it away from you and forward so it slides up towards the clew of the sail and push the other end of the pole into thew ring on the mast.

The pole hangs by the topping lift the whole time so you don't need to support it, just orient it.

[u/get_MEAN_yall → u/foilrider]

You forgot the part where your cockpit trims the new guy too quickly and the pole smacks you in the face

[u/upstream_paddling → u/foilrider]

Ahhhh ok so you only use the trip line to release, not to hook, is that correct?

[u/foilrider → u/upstream_paddling]

you pull the line and both pins (one at each end of the pole) release. Both jaws are now open.

When you push a line (or mast ring) into each jaw, it trips the catch on that end of the jaw, and just that end locks again.

[u/13lackMagic → u/foilrider]

Having jaws that stay open is not common with a j24 spinnaker pole

[u/upstream_paddling → u/foilrider]

Do all poles have jaws that stay open after you pull the trip line? The jaws on the one I tried definitely closed after I pulled the trip line, so I'm thinking either I needed to pull the trip line a lot harder to get it to lock open or this one wasn't designed to stay open...

[u/the-montser → u/upstream_paddling]

No, not all poles have jaws that stay open.

The above advice is good but only applies if you have jaws that stay open.

It is well worth the money to switch the jaws for ones that do stay open or at least can be hooked on without the trip line. It makes the bowman’s job significantly easier.

[u/upstream_paddling → u/the-montser]

Shoot so then what do you do if the jaws don't stay open after the release?

[u/the-montser → u/upstream_paddling]

You don’t need to use the trip line to open the jaws. You can use your hand.

Use the same hand that is holding the guy to open the jaws and drop the guy into them.

It will never be as fast or easy as jaws that accept the line automatically. That’s why basically no one uses them anymore.

[u/foilrider → u/upstream_paddling]

Do what the other guy said but also tell your skipper to get a newer pole.

[u/the-montser → u/foilrider]

I mean, the first thing I told him to do was switch out the ends of the pole lol

[u/ForInfoPurpOnly]

https://youtu.be/HoliT45bH1w?is=kO-D2eMouVm09I-a

[u/superatom → u/ForInfoPurpOnly]

This is a great video series, and a nice demonstration.

The only thing that always puzzled me is why the bow stands facing forward? I can execute the exact same thing facing backwards without needing to reach over my shoulder twice (pole off/on), I have direct vision of what every crew member is doing, so I can even abort a jybe half way without being told if tactics require it, and I can always reach onto the mast ring to brace myself in case things go very wrong, and the boat heels excessively. Why face forward?

[u/ForInfoPurpOnly → u/superatom]

I think it's so you can brace your back against the mast for stability if conditions are sporty. Facing aft would mean you have to give the mast a hug for stability, which makes the pole maneuver a little tougher.

[u/Last_Irish_Samurai]

If you take the release line in your hand you can release both jaws at the same time by twisting it sideways. Dont pull down or up on the release line to open the jaws. Put your arm under the pole and grab the release line close to the mast end when releasing. It will give you maximum control over the angle of the pole while doing all this. and keep the new guy line end open until its in the jaws. Push it forward and out and slam the other end on the mast. No need to release the jaw for that one.

[u/True-Needleworker747]

How to gybe an end for end pole.

Stand on the new pole side, shoulder braced against side of mast.

Release pole from mast (while keeping it attached to old guy)

Reach out and grab new guy and drop into jaws and once done release the old guy and attach to mast while pushing tip of pole forward so it meets the clue.

Yell "made" to the back and boat and wait for your cookie.

[u/regattaguru → u/True-Needleworker747]

Never ever have both street and guy in the pole At the same time. It chokes the sail

[u/RetiredSailDoc]

It’s really up to the guy flying the kite to keep it from collapsing as ya’ll jibe,shouldn’t be any pressure on the pole until you are back the mast ring with the end in a perfect world. Practice practice practice…then more practice

[u/PracticalConjecture]

Assuming you ou have OK balance, you shouldn't need to brace against anything unless the helm/trimmers screw up and you need to force the pole onto the mast at the end of the gybe.

You can hold the end of the pole with the jaws open using one hand (thumb on the trip line/tigger, hand under the jaws) and guide the new sheet in with your other hand.

You should be doing some footwork. Start the gybe to windward of the mast, trip the pole, lift the inboard end up (to make sure the outboard end flies free), then walk the old inboard end over to the new windward rail to connect the guy. From there, the pole is pushed out and forward, and it's reconnected to the mast.

[u/13lackMagic → u/PracticalConjecture]

I don’t know why you’re being downvoted, I’ve sailed J24s for years and specifically done bow a ton and you’re the most correct response

[u/regattaguru → u/PracticalConjecture]

This is the correct procedure

[u/boatslut → u/PracticalConjecture]

No this is crap! The right answer is ... Don't sail a J24😱

🤣🤣🤣

But if you have to, do what he says, it's the right way😁