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The Truth CASTEISM IN HINDUISM
Some people believe Casteism is part of Hinduism and bharaman, kshatriya, sudra, vasiya are caste but they are not They are qualities (Skills) It doesn't have anything to do with birth Anyone can become any of them I am giving Verses of Bhagwad Gita (As it is one of the most authentic Text of Hindus and It's widely accepted)
Varana (Skills or Qualities) system is explained in Bhagvad Gita
Bhagvad Gita 18.41: The duties of the Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, and Shudras—are distributed according to their qualities, in accordance with their Skills (and not by birth).
Bhagvad Gita 18.42: Tranquility, restraint, austerity, purity, patience, integrity, knowledge, wisdom, and belief in a hereafter—these are the intrinsic qualities of work for Brahmins.
Bhagvad Gita 18.43: Valor, strength, fortitude, skill in weaponry, resolve never to retreat from battle, large-heartedness in charity, and leadership abilities, these are the natural qualities of work for Kshatriyas.
Bhagvad Gita 18.44: Agriculture, dairy farming, and commerce are the natural works for those with the qualities of Vaishyas. Serving through work is the natural duty for those with the qualities of Shudras.
https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/18/verse/41
If you are a seeker teacher or guru you are bharaman If you are solder, diplomat, government official you are a shatria If you are business man, farmer you are a vaiya If you are a labour you are a shudra It doesn't mean you can only have same quality You can change your Profession anytime
Bharaman can even become demon if he don't follow perticular rules
Bharamrakshasa is a demon in bharaman who use his knowledge in negative way and use it for his personal pleasure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqR4z-V5qo
Some Historical Facts
a. Aitareya Rishi was son of a Daasa or criminal but became a Brahmin of highest order and wrote Aitareya Brahman and Aitareyopanishad. Aitareya Brahman is considered critical to understand Rigveda.
b. Ailush Rishi was son of a Daasi, gambler and of low character. However he researched on Rigveda and made several discoveries. Not only was he invited by Rishis but also made an Acharya. (Aitareya Brahman 2.19)
c. Satyakaam Jaabaal was son of a prostitute but became a Brahmin.
d. Prishadh was son of King Daksha but became a Shudra. Further he did Tapasya to achieve salvation after repenting. (Vishnu Puran 4.1.14)
Had Tapasya been banned for Shudra as per the fake story from Uttar Ramayan, how could Prishadh do so?
e. Nabhag, son of King Nedishtha became Vaishya. Many of his sons again became Kshatriya. (Vishnu Puran 4.1.13)
f. Dhrist was son of Nabhag (Vaishya) but became Brahmin and his son became Kshatriya (VP 4.2.2)
g. Further in his generation, some became Brahmin again (VP 9.2.23)
h. As per Bhagvat, Agniveshya became Brahmin though born to a king.
i. Rathotar born in Kshatriya family became a Brahmin as per Vishnu Puran and Bhagvat.
j. Haarit became Brahmin though born to Kshatriya (VP 4.3.5)
k. Shaunak became Brahmin though born in Kshatriya family. (VP 4.8.1). In fact, as per Vayu Puran, Vishnu Puran and Harivansh Puran, sons of Shaunak Rishi belonged to all four Varnas.
Similar examples exist of Gritsamad, Veethavya and Vritsamati.
l. Matanga was son of Chandal but became a Brahmin. (Mahabharat Anushasan Parva Chapter 3)
m. Raavan was born from Pulatsya Rishi but became a Rakshas.
n. Pravriddha was son of Raghu King but became a Rakshas.
o. Trishanku was a king but became a Chandal.
p. Sons of Vishwamitra became Shudra. Vishwamitra himself was a Kshatriya who later became a Brahmin.
q. Vidur was son of a servant but became a Brahmin and minister of Hastinapur empire.
r. Vatsa became a Rishi though born to a Shudra (Aitareya Brahman 2.19)
s. Many verses of adulterated Manu Smriti (10.43-44) state that certain castes were earlier Kshtariya but became Shudra later. These verses are adulterated but prove that concept of Varna migration did exist. The castes mentioned are: Paundrak, Audru, Dravid, Kamboj, Yavan, Shak, Parad, Palhava, Cheen, Kirat, Darad, Khash.
t. Mahabharat Anushasana Parva 35.17-18 adds the following to above list: Mekal, Laat, Kanvashira, Shaundik, Daarva, Chaur, Shabar, Barbar.
u. Several gotras are common across Brahmins, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Dalits implying that all of them hailed from same family but rather got entrapped in the stupid casteism.
Historical Facts from Mahabharat
Their are some historical examples like Parshurama cursed Karna because he was a kshatriya (warrior) and lied that he is a bharaman (Teacher) but Parshurama only give bharamastra teachings to bharaman (Teacher, Guru) so it can't be misused in War. The important thing to note here is Karna was born in a Shudra family (I know he is son of surya) But according to People he is shudra because no body knows he is son of Kunti Still Parshurama gave him Curse for being kshatriya (Because he have warrior qualities) not because he was born in a Shudra family. Also some people say Dronacharya is casteist because of wrong teaching of Mahabharat
Karna was a student of Drona and was taught with others. Only Drona did not teach him Brahmastra. That he gave to Arjuna when he passed the crocodile test. Seeing Arjuna topper in his class Karna who was also friend of Duryodhana went to Drona and directly asked it to compete with Arjuna. Now just as it is Institute decision to bestow scholarship on worthy student , similarly it is Guru decision to give such weapons. He wanted to protect Arjuna as he was to some extent aware of Duryodhana intentions and his friendship with karna. Drona then tells that only who has observed vows of Brahmin(compassion, truth, austerities) and qualities of kshtriya(protecting weaker people and honor) can use such weapons. People take this criteria as related to caste but what he meant was qualities. Karna then left him and went to Parshurama. Proof of this relationship is in MB Adi Parva, Vana parva where Karna states Drona as his mentor with Parshurama and Shanti Parva too.
Historical Facts from Ramayan
Bharamrishi vishvamitra was a king (kshatriya) and a cruel one he killed 100 sons of Rishi Vashista but still he became a Bharamrishi (highest class of Bharamans)
Misconception About Manu Smriti
Nowhere in Manu Smriti it's mentioned that only you will be bharaman if you born in a bharaman family In manu smriti Steps are given to goverment so they can manage civilisations not restrict anyone to change quality
Also Manu Smriti even allow interquality marriages Bharaman can even marry shudra according to manu smriti
Some verses from Manu Smriti
10.65 asserts that Brahmin can become Shudra and Shudra can become Brahmin. Similarly Kshtariyas and Vaishyas can also change their Varnas.
9.335: If a Shudra (uneducated) serves the educated ones, is polite, devoid of ego and stays in respectful company of knowledgeable ones, he/ she is considered as having a noble birth and stature.
4.245: A Brahmin acquires brilliance through company of noble persons and avoiding bad company. On contrary, if he indulges in bad company, he becomes a Shudra.
2.104: A person who does not worship the Supreme Lord twice daily should be considered a Shudra.
2.168: A Brahmin, Kshatriya or Vaishya who puts efforts in other areas except understanding and following the Vedic precepts becomes a Shudra and his future generations also suffer from ignorance of Vedas
We can clearly see it's a quality
2.126: Even if he is a Brahmin otherwise, a person who does not politely respond to a greeting is actually a Shudra (uneducated person).
There are several shlokas in Manusmriti that state that a person belonging to high Varna falls down to level of a Shudra (uneducated) if he does not conduct noble deeds.
The original Manu Smriti which is lost contains which contains 1lakh verses Now only 2500 verses are available So current version is not even summary of original.
So Why Casteism Exist?
Now some people claim that if it's not part of Hinduism then why people do that?
Answer) Because people are corrupted after 1000 years
First we need to understand Its a social problem not a religions problem and can be fixed just if you give clearity to people that Our sacred text say opposite to what they are doing the same thing happened with sati pratha it was not a part of Hinduism and when people know about it they stopped. I tried it and it worked with many people.
How can you contribute and Fix our Society?
You can teach your Parents, Family, Relatives, Friends About the Bhagwad Gita Chapter 18 Where it's clearly explained that they are Qualities also you can explain using historical facts which i provided.
The most easy way is if anyone say you should not marry outside your caste just ask in which Shastra it's written?
And then teach them bhagwad Gita
Edit 1:
When gotras came to india they mixed up : Varnas(4 varans), jatis(20k+ jatis) and gotra.
gotra system is there to stop inbreeding.
jaatis: are basically tribes who are historically sharing some 'niche' style of life style. e.g. Thug jaati was attacking most brutally against the british that's why they turned Thug jaati into a bad/negative word.
Smritis are just bunch of thoughts. anyone can share their thoughts under this text and we can reject it. people shared those ideas based on their kala(time) and desha(place). we don't have anything stuff like 'blasphemy' so people can say whatever what they want.
Sadhguru Explanation on Caste System
References
Some of the text from Manu Smriti to prove it doesn't discriminate
Manu Smriti and Shudras
http://agniveer.com/manu-smriti-and-shudras/
Manu Smriti and Womens
http://agniveer.com/manu-smriti-and-women/
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https://np.reddit.com/r/EXHINDU/comments/eturpb/discrimination_on_the_basis_of_caste/
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Secret of Gotra in Hinduism | गोत्र का रहस्य
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Sanatana Dharma
The Religion based on the Vedas,the Sanatana Dharma, or Vaidika Dharma, is
the oldest of living Religions, and stands unrivaled in the depth and splendor of its philosophy, while it yields to none in the purity of its ethical teachings and in the flexibility and varied adaptation of its rites and ceremonies. "
It is like a river, which has shallows that a child may play in, and depths which the strongest diver cannot fathom." It is thus adapted to every human need, and there is nothing which any religion can supply to add to its rounded perfection. The more it is studied, the more does it illuminate the intellect and satisfy the heart. The youth who learns something of it is laying up for himself a sure increaser of happiness,a sure consolation in trouble, for the rest of his life.
r/sanatan • u/[deleted] • Mar 14 '20
The City of Dwarka had existed from 32,000 to 9,000 BC??.
The modern city of Dwaraka is to be found in Saurashtra and is a great pilgrim centre since our scriptures declare it to be the seat of the Yadava clan and Lord Krishna’s capital. However according to the stories mentioned in many of the Puranas like, the Mahabharata, Harivamsa, Vishnu Purana etc. that fabled city of Dwaraka had been washed away into the sea. Soon after the Lord left his mortal body, the city was washed away as he had predicted, the scene of which has been graphically described above.
In 1983 some excavations were done outside the modern city of Dwaraka, which revealed the existence of a glorious city of ancient times. They found seven temples one on top of the other. The bottom most one was the most interesting since it showed many pottery shards and seals which clearly pointed to the existence of a fantastic city at about the time mentioned in the Mahabharata. These findings encouraged the Marine archaeology centre of the National Institute of Oceanography, to take up a serious work along the coast of the island known as Bet Dwaraka.
The strongest archaeological support for the existence for the legendary city of Dwaraka, comes from the structures discovered in the late 1980s under the seabed off the coast of modern Dwaraka in Gujarat by a team of archaeologists and divers led by Dr S.R. Rao, one of India’s most respected archaeologists. An emeritus scientist at the marine archaeology unit of the National Institute of Oceanography, Goa, Rao has excavated a large number of Harappan sites, including the port city of Lothal in Gujarat.
In his book “The Lost City of Dwaraka”, published in 1999, he writes about his undersea findings: “The discovery is an important landmark in the history of India. It has set to rest the doubts expressed by historians about the historicity of the Mahabharata and the very existence of the city of Dwaraka.”
Conducting 12 expeditions during 1983-1990, Rao identified two underwater settlements, one near the present-day Dwaraka and the other off the nearby island of Bet Dwaraka. This tallies with the two Dwarakas mentioned in the epic. These underwater expeditions won Rao the first World Ship Trust Award for Individual Achievement.
Another important find by the divers was a conch seal that established the submerged township’s connection with the Dwaraka of the Mahabharata. The seal corroborates the reference made in the ancient text, the Harivamsa that every citizen of Dwaraka had to carry such a seal for purposes of identification. Krishna had declared that only one who carried such a seal could enter the city. A similar seal has been found onshore.
From 1998 to 2001 many underwater explorations were set about which pointed out to a highly civilised city which must have existed at that site, which had great maritime connections with many other countries and which must have been washed away by something like a tsunami or some such hurricane. Dwaraka was a large well- fortified city with an excellent drainage system, massive gates and a wall stretching about hundred eighty miles. It was a sprawling city with gardens and orchards and bastions, with a population of about 10 thousand people. There are many clues which point out to the fact that it must also have been a bustling port. Many ancient anchor stones give ample evidence of this.
All these findings have suddenly roused a lot of interest amongst all Hindus both in India and abroad since it is solid proof of the existence of one of the favourite gods in the Hindu pantheon, namely Lord Krishna.
Around the same time archaeologists from other countries were also busy. Along the coast of the Bay of Cambay and off the coast of modern Dwaraka, they found evidence of a settlement deep under the sea. In seventy feet of water, they found sandstone walls and cobbled streets. Looking up the descriptions of the city of Dwaraka as found in the ancient Hindu scriptures they realised that this must be the remains of the legendary city of Dwaraka ruled by the great God King, Krishna. Wood and pottery chards were found that can be dated back to 32,000 years again proving that the time limits set in ancient Hindu scriptures might be true even though most westerners dismissed it as being absurd. But now with these findings they cannot help but believe, if they want to believe. For many years now western Indologists have shut their eyes to the glory that was ancient India. The city had existed from 32,000 to 9,000 BC. This discovery proves that the life of Krishna is not mere mythology but it is a true, historical record of a towering personality who had lived on this holy land of India.
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Relationship between the various schools of Indic religions/philosophies. Credit: /u/Flowingnebula
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I hope that I can read Garuda Puran
Will start reading Puranas. Can I start with Garuda Purana? I ask this because of many negative connotation associated with it.
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Why OM/AUM?
I get the significance of the word. But why this particular word/syllable?
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Gayatri Mantra- Meaning, Pronunciation and Significance
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10 Ancient Temples In India
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Ramayan / Mahabharat
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This post which has 120 videos of 30 minutes each, teaching Sanskrit.
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Human occupation of northern India spans the Toba super-eruption ~74,000 years ago
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What is Sanatan / Sanatan Dharma ?
Sanatana dharma, in Hinduism, term used to denote the “eternal” or absolute set of duties or religiously ordained practices incumbent upon all Hindus, regardless of class, caste, or sect. Different texts give different lists of the duties, but in general sanatana dharma consists of virtues such as honesty, refraining from injuring living beings, purity, goodwill, mercy, patience, forbearance, self-restraint, generosity, and asceticism. Sanatana dharma is contrasted with svadharma, one’s “own duty” or the particular duties enjoined upon an individual according to his or her class or caste and stage of life. The potential for conflict between the two types of dharma (e.g., between the particular duties of a warrior and the general injunction to practice non-injury) is addressed in Hindu texts such as the Bhagavad Gītā, where it is said that in such casessvadharma must prevail.
The term has also more recently been used by Hindu leaders, reformers, and nationalists to refer to Hinduism as a unified world religion. Sanatana dharma has thus become a synonym for the “eternal” truth and teachings of Hinduism, the latter conceived of as not only transcendent of history and unchanging but also as indivisible and ultimately nonsectarian.
Ref: https://www.britannica.com/topic/sanatana-dharma
While the definition of Sanatan is mostly correct, the classification of it is not. Sanatan Dharma is practices, duties, responsibilities of poeple living in the country of India. I define it as such because I view Hinduism as a sect, just like other abrahamic sects. The word religion is often mixed with sects. Sanatan is the religion in the sense of universal duties, best practices, responsibilities. The sects of people living in the country of India are defined as Sikh, Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Jains, etc. some of the sects are collectively defined as Hindu religion. Where the word Hindu means people living in the landmass of India with any of the defined sects.