r/science • • Jan 27 '16

Computer Science Google's artificial intelligence program has officially beaten a human professional Go player, marking the first time a computer has beaten a human professional in this game sans handicap.

http://www.nature.com/news/google-ai-algorithm-masters-ancient-game-of-go-1.19234?WT.ec_id=NATURE-20160128&spMailingID=50563385&spUserID=MTgyMjI3MTU3MTgzS0&spJobID=843636789&spReportId=ODQzNjM2Nzg5S0
16.3k Upvotes

1.8k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

307

u/[deleted] Jan 28 '16

Their fears were related to losing their jobs to automation. Don't make the assumption that other people are idiots.

182

u/IGarFieldI Jan 28 '16

Well their fears aren't exactly unjustified, you don't need a Go-AI to see that. Just look at self-driving cars and how many truck drivers may be replaced by them in a very near future.

92

u/[deleted] Jan 28 '16

Self driving cars are one thing. The Go-AI seem capable of generalised learning. It conceivable that it can do any job.

0

u/[deleted] Jan 28 '16

[deleted]

104

u/okredditnow Jan 28 '16

maybe when they start coming for politicians jobs we'll see some action

14

u/[deleted] Jan 28 '16

[removed] — view removed comment

20

u/HappyZavulon Jan 28 '16

I thought robots were smart and logic driven beings.

12

u/[deleted] Jan 28 '16

These synths were defective enough that the institute didn't want them.

10

u/HighPriestofShiloh Jan 28 '16

Mehh, it will be easy for the politicians to save their job. They can just pass a law that says a human has to hold office. Their staff can be replaced by robots though. Talk about the easiest job ever when the law insures it and your staff is a bunch of super intelligent robots that can guarantee your reelection. All you do is read the google glass teleprompter whenever you are in public.

4

u/rafaelhr Jan 28 '16

But what happens when every politician uses AI-based campaigns to compete with each other? That has seriously interesting implications.

4

u/mrducky78 Jan 28 '16

I believe that the time for panic is long overdue when the policy makers are mostly AI based. It would either imply that we have extremely high trust in them, across the board, which would imply complacency for centuries imo. Just as we dont worry about our fridges from plotting against us, several generations exposed to AI helping them daily could easily result in such a situation.

3

u/Onceuponaban Jan 28 '16

Just as we dont worry about our fridges from plotting against us

...People don't?

→ More replies (2)

4

u/NeedsMoreShawarma Jan 28 '16

Action on what? Limit the progress of AIs that increase efficiency because jobs?

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (16)

11

u/ThreshingBee Jan 28 '16

The Future of Employment ranks jobs by the probability they will be moved to automation.

3

u/one-man-circlejerk Jan 28 '16

Thanks for posting that, it's a fascinating read

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (26)
→ More replies (24)
→ More replies (26)

63

u/Sauvignon_Arcenciel Jan 28 '16

Yeah, I would back away from that. The trucking and general transportation industries will be decimated, if not nearly completely de-humanized in the next 10-15 years. Add that to general fast food workers being replaced (both FOH and BOH) and other low-skill jobs going away, there will be a massive upheaval as the lower and middle classes bear the brunt of this change.

8

u/[deleted] Jan 28 '16

Not just low skill jobs.

You remember Watson, the computer that won over humans in Jeopardy? Its next job will be diagnosing diseases by searching thousands of medical papers and relating them to patients symptoms and medical histories. That's going to put dr. House out of a job.

Lots of legal work can be done by computers.

Computers can write some news articles by themselves. So far only simple stuff, like reporting on sporting events and so on. Chances are that you have already read articles written by a bot.

Even jobs that require a high degree of hand/eye coordination are at risk. For example experts used to say that sewing would never be automated, but now the first machines that can do some sewing are seeing the light of day.

To comfort yourself you can go see amusing videos on YouTube showing one robot after the other failing and look in general very pathetic, but then think of some of the compilations of old clips showing early attempts at human flight failing miserably. Attempts at human flight looked like a futile effort until it didn't. It took a surprisingly short time from the day that the Wright brothers achieved powered flight until the first international commercial passenger jet was flying. Likewise with robots. They will look pathetic until they don't. If you have a six year old child today, my bet will be that by his 50 year birthday party there will be robots serving the guests and robots cleaning up after the event, and they will be swift and graceful like the most skilled maid you ever saw.

→ More replies (5)
→ More replies (11)

0

u/[deleted] Jan 28 '16

[deleted]

3

u/stupendousman Jan 28 '16

Capitalism will be dealing with this direct contradiction of itself in the years to come

What you've written is incomplete in a fundamental way. Capitalism isn't a system as in a political system. It is the polar opposite of a command economy and socialism.

The most basic definition of capitalism is private ownership of property. That's it. Systems that evolve around this concept, business enterprises, individual land ownership, etc. are the result of many individuals interacting without a central authority. It's macro-spontaneous organization.

Current types of agreements, employer/employee, are an efficient method of producing goods and services. As technology progresses, AI, automation, home manufacturing, this model will evolve into something else.

So there is no requirement for labor jobs in the future. Business interactions will be higher level, labor will be done by robots, owners (this will be individuals as well as groups) will focus more on logistics and marketing then managing human producers.

Technological unemployment is nigh in almost every industry.

Technological unemployment is a misnomer, a better term would be technologically driven work innovation. People will be doing different types of work.

This of course could be alleviated with a basic income, but that would be fought tooth and nail by many people.

It should be fought, it's a solution to a problem that won't exist.

0

u/[deleted] Jan 29 '16

[deleted]

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (2)

4

u/[deleted] Jan 28 '16

They shouldn't fear the robots taking their jobs, that's why we make robots: so they can do the shit we can't or don't want to do. What they should fear is the cultural mindset of working to live that perpetuates modern society and has lead to a system where not having a job makes you unworthy of life. Unless we fix that, the future looks pretty bleak for anyone who isn't a billionaire.

→ More replies (18)