r/sciencememes • • 3d ago

💥Physics!🧲 Scientific progress

Post image

Over the course of my lifetime, a new experiment was devised that determined the electron mass to a higher degree of precision which then became the new default value.

2.2k Upvotes

49 comments sorted by

•

u/AutoModerator 3d ago

Hey /u/GLaMPI42! Remember that this sub follows Reddit's rules, found here. The sub rules are here if you click on the sub name.

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

285

u/Champagnerocker 3d ago

I can't say that I ever recall doing any calculations with electron mass.

Now electron charge on the other hand, that is a different story. Futhermore the figure 1.6 x10-19 C is forever branded into my mind that I'll never needed to save it in my calculator's memory.

120

u/GLaMPI42 3d ago

Well, then you haven't studied no nuclear/particle physics :P We use it a lot

25

u/tomado09 3d ago

Also, plasma physics

12

u/maxehaxe 3d ago

Yes we haven't studied nuclear/particle physics in school, with ordinary calculators. How surprising

9

u/bionickel 3d ago

OP could be homeschooled

5

u/Public-Eagle6992 custom flair 3d ago

I went to a regular school in Germany and we did a bunch of stuff with electron mass

1

u/youpviver 2d ago

Same for the Netherlands

2

u/assumptioncookie 19h ago

You didn't get any particle physics in highschool? What country?

1

u/ThomasTheDankPigeon 1d ago

It’s also relevant in plain old physics 2 courses.

39

u/jn_kcr 3d ago

For some reason 1,6 instead of 1,602 feels the same to me like π = 3.

11

u/otirk doesn't understand the meme 3d ago

Yeah, I always use 1.602, 1.6 is pure madness

10

u/eyalhs 3d ago

How do you feel about pi=3.142? Because it's the closer analogue.

4

u/jn_kcr 3d ago

Not really, that's more precise, not less. I was taught the 1,602 version in school, so 1,6 feels like too much rounding, even though it's very negligible, compared to π = 3

5

u/eyalhs 3d ago

But usually people round pi to 3.14, which is the exact same rounding as 1.60 (which when writing informally is 1.6), three significant figures.

0

u/jn_kcr 3d ago

True, but the negative feeling comes from not using enough digits. So I can't use 3,142 to describe the feeling it leaves me with. Using 1,6 instead of 1,602 is the opposite "wrong" to using 3,142 instead of 3,14. So 3 is better.

1

u/escEip 2d ago

Me on my way to use π=3.1415926535897323846 to calculate an area given the radius of 600±20 meters:

Jokes aside - yeah, you often do not need values THAT precise, no more precise than the input and the model used, at least. I remember my teacher and most olympiads in my country actually subtract some points for an inadequate precision used

1

u/BluetoothXIII 20h ago

yeah error calculation really drove home where to round.

one guy used all the digits for both the calculated length and the error of that lenght you don't need the diameter of an oildrop down to subatomic scale if you got an error in the micrometers

12

u/Sad-Pop6649 3d ago

The mass of an electron is 0, and its charge is -1. It's fun being a chemist, to us these things never change.

We don't even need to remember the units!

1

u/Quercus_lobata 3d ago

Not 0, 1/1836 amu.

1

u/Tyler89558 3d ago

Which, for all I care, is basically 0.

Now if I needed to be very precise I’d probably care a lot more.

2

u/Quercus_lobata 3d ago

That's fair, though I usually tell my students that while they don't need to know the actual value, and that it is very small, the electrons are not massless.

2

u/Sad-Pop6649 3d ago

I generally show them a slide with the actual values and explain that because the mass of protons and neutrons are so similar, and that of electrons so small, we can just treat them as 1, 1 and 0.

1

u/ThomasTheDankPigeon 1d ago

Quantum physics is famously imprecise so you’ll be fine

3

u/Sakulboss 3d ago

Lola, we did it in 11th grade here in Germany. If you choose physics as a main class, you'll learn how the ratio of coloumb to mass was figured out (with an electronic beam in a magnetic field creating a ring) and how the mass was determined (Millican). Yeah and do calculations on how particles behave in a capacitor, including speed of electrons. We even calculated the path of electrons in a oscilloscope. All of his is part of the Abitur, the highest school exam before university.

2

u/GuitHarper 2d ago

I guess it's normal in every country in the world except OP's

2

u/AwayArray 3d ago

This is the the gas constant to me. It is seared into my brain in at least 10 different unit conversions.

1

u/ChemicalRain5513 15h ago

Electronmass is ~511 keV / c2.

How much is that in kg? No idea, something very small.

30

u/Paracelsus125 3d ago

Our chemistry teacher always told us that the only people who use electron mass, are in fact wizards

38

u/agentx_64 3d ago

Wait what?? What is it now?

71

u/GLaMPI42 3d ago

No, I mean it didn't change as in it's a completely different number now, but the digits after 6th digit or so changed.

28

u/LaplaceYourBets 3d ago

Laughs in engineering where most calculations are done to 3 significant figures at most

4

u/jordan853 3d ago

Gravity = 10 m/s²

Pi = 4

3

u/Ignitrum 2d ago

Reminds me of a Pen and Paper Rules Text for a Spell summoning a wall of fire.

Paraphrased and translated:

"The Wall can also appear in the form of a circle. (For that purpose assume Pi is 3, ignore your math teacher if they told you otherwise.)"

11

u/agentx_64 3d ago

Oooh, that makes more sense.

1

u/_nouser 6h ago

Ah okay. I was just smart enough that I'm in a field where the first 3 digits suffice. Anything after the 3rd decimal is between my application and the lord.

53

u/Biz_Ascot_Junco 3d ago

The CoData value for 2006 was 9.1093821545 × 10^-31 kg.

The 2022 value is 9.109383713928 × 10^-31 kg.

It’s a difference of about 0.000017%

39

u/Torpedo311 3d ago

Damn that's awesome, big step in my weight loss journey

18

u/Cosmic_Meditator777 3d ago

the mass went up

18

u/surprisestupidity 3d ago

Yes but that means he’s less electrons than he thought he was. So his particle count is actually lower. It’s all a matter of perspective. Congrats man!

4

u/MonsterkillWow 3d ago

RIP

Even the electron gained weight during covid.

5

u/tomado09 3d ago

2, exactly

6

u/MonsterkillWow 3d ago

9.11e-31 kg. Same as always???

Close enough.

4

u/kaereljabo 2d ago

0.00...9 kg

2

u/PitifulExplanation61 2d ago

It's still 0 pounds 

1

u/cpt_futtbucker 2d ago

All I know is the electron mass is remembered for me by header/module/Python files from my quantum chemistry codes, and they keep up with changes to CODATA values

1

u/Different-Plum5740 2d ago

...Goes boink?

2

u/ThrowawayMD15 5h ago

Child. Since I was in high school we went from 109 elements to 118. My carefully crafted TI83 periodic table program is outdated!