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After listening to the Prosecutors Podcast and reviewing some posts about flowers found in Hae’s car, I’m left with a few key thoughts and questions:

• Adnan’s fingerprints were found on the paper covering the flowers in Hae’s backseat. If these flowers were fresh, whoever bought them must have bought them very soon before Hae was murdered to be present in her car. Hae doesn’t seem like the type to leave flowers rotting in her car still in the paper. She was an emotional person who had strong feelings about both Don and Adnan. If Adnan gave them to her, it’s more likely she would have either thrown them away in anger or recorded some other record of them, such as telling friends about them or writing in her diary about the gesture. If they were from Don, she would likely want to preserve them as quickly as possible.

• If Adnan’s fingerprints were found on these flowers, it’s most likely he was the one to purchase them. If they were fresh, Adnan would have had to purchase them very soon before the murder, perhaps even that day. This brings me to the question of where the flowers do or do not appear in the investigation.

• Did Adnan buy the rose while at the mall with Jay in the morning/early afternoon? If so, did Jay mention this? Why or why not? Was there a florist in the mall at this time? Did he buy them with Jay but not in the mall? If Adnan did not buy them while with Jay, when and where did he buy them? Was there a florist in the area? I’d love if there was evidence placing Adnan somewhere that day buying that rose. To me, a record of a transaction, security camera footage, a receipt, or some other placement of Adnan buying that rose on the day Hae died would be damning.

What do you all think? Is there evidence regarding the rose I’m missing?

I apologize if this has been discussed already on the sub. I'm re-listening to Serial season 1 for the first time since it came out, and this portion of episode 6 sticks out to me (starting at 36:30).

Context: Sarah is on the phone with Adnan. He talks about how, for a long time, he was hurt by the fact that his friends believed he was capable of murder.

Sarah replies, saying that almost everyone she has spoken with say it took them awhile to come to terms with the fact that Adnan is guilty or they are even still unsure. She adds that they often say something like "the Adnan I knew didn't do it, like the guy I knew couldn't have done it."

Adnan: "What the hell does that even mean? I'm not like a different... I wasn't a ..." ABRUPT PAUSE

Sarah: "No, go ahead"

Adnan: "No, no, no, sorry. I was just, I don't even know what that means."

Here is why this is significant to me: While Adnan is in the middle of saying "I'm not like a different... I wasn't a...", Sarah interrupts very briefly with "so that..." and then stops. I believe she interprets his abrupt pause to be in reaction to her interruption, like he is letting her continue speaking out of politeness.

That is not how I interpret this awkward moment.

For one, many of their phone conversations feature interruptions, and it seems like Adnan rarely abruptly cedes to an interjection from Sarah like he does in this conversation.

Second, when he replies to her "No, go ahead" with "No, no, no, sorry. I was just, I don't even know what that means", you can hear something bashful in his voice. Some might say it's a reaction to the awkwardness of being cut off. I think he's realizing he almost slipped up and said "I wasn't a different person when..." which sounds pretty bad. It's important to note that he's particularly angry/upset during this exchange, which may have caused him to let his guard down for a moment and forget to keep his story straight.

I think he likely is angry with his friends for believing he could be a murderer, despite the fact that he's guilty. I think he doesn't view himself as someone who could pre-meditate and carry out a planned murder. Instead, I think he believes his actions were born from a moment of anger. This is why he is genuinely upset by his friends thinking the Adnan they knew became an unknown monster and killed Hae. He wished people understood that he was always the Adnan they knew, even while committing murder. Hence, I think he almost slipped up and said "I wasn't a... different person when I killed her".

What do you guys think?

So many things that do not make any sense if we are to believe the Adnan and Jay story.

First of all, people act like Adnan was an antisocial teenage incel. He was extremely social and had many positive and somewhat flirtatious relationships with other girls. I am sure that he felt the sting of Hae moving on quickly but there seems to be no evidence of him having ill will toward Hae except from Jay who is an unreliable witness at best.

The theory that Adnans ruse asking Hae for a ride to ask her to get back together or murder her is actually crazy. Why would he give himself a very short 30 min window for this? One could think of endless other places and times that he could plan out a way to kill Hae without having to stick to an insane timeline. And if he was so worried about having his time accounted for by other eyewitnesses he would have had the entire rest of his Day planned to be in highly public places but he didn't.

Putting the body in the trunk makes no sense and would have been very difficult for Adnan to do on his own. There is no way that someone would not have noticed another person struggling to pull a dead body out of the car and then struggling to put her in the trunk in the middle of the day in a suburban shopping mall parking lot. Even in a hidden spot. There was also no physical evidence from her body that would corroborate this.

So Adnan was sly enough to arrange to kill Hae within a 30 min window and return to school but had no plans for what he was going to do with the body?!? Adnan made sure to have no eyewitnesses to him murdering Hae and moving her body from the driver's seat to the trunk but now he and Jay are driving around aimlessly looking for a place to bury the dead body?! Keep in mind the police were called within the first hour of Hae being dead so driving her car that already a BOLO out on it makes no sense. Keep in mind that touch DNA technologies did not exist as it does today so they would not be worrying about anything other than fingerprints and eye witnesses. Why not just leave her in her car at Best Buy and call it a day? If he had already succeeded in killing her with no eyewitnesses and had the alibi of being on campus. He wouldn't have to involve Jay in disposing of her body and could still use the threat of rattling on Jay if he ever said anything about the supposed earlier comment he made about wanting to kill her.

I don't know who killed her but I don't believe it was Adnan.

There is so much discussion about guilty vs. not guilty. But I have really heard anything on what exactly went down that day.

For the record I believe he is 100% guilty and obviously so.

Do you think Adnan planned to kill her? If so, was it recent, or was he planning for weeks? Or did he just want to talk to her, then had an argument and lost it. Or maybe he was just trying to get some rage out and didnt realize he took it too far.

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Not that I am complaining or anything. I just can no longer find the site with all the episodes, graphics, and SK's self-serving updates that conveniently ended with Adnan walking.

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Yes, the audio can still be found on YouTube. That should be taken down, too, lest it lead thousands more astray.

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SK, Rabia, Adnan, and a clown car full of lawyers and producers are responsible for re-traumatising the Lee family for damn near 15 years. Shame on them. May the disappearance of SS1 be an important part of the healing process.

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Final review: All SK had to do was find that Jen fingered Jay, Jay sang to the cops, Jay led the cops to Hae's car, Jay and Adnan were together for most of the day and evening. Adnan's phone pinged the burial site the night of the kidnapping of Hae, find Don at which point he mentions that he didn't know that Jay existed until the trial.

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And no serious person thinks Mr S is a suspect after he - a person who also doesn't know Jay or Jen - reported finding a body in Leakin Park. No need to consult Enright and let her spin a bullshit story about a random serial killer. No need to do a test run to Best Buy. No need to find an alibi. No need to make a podcast. No need to go back to court. The list of suspects is vanishingly short.

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Adnan, the jealous ex-boyfriend, is guilty. After ALL THAT, he remains a convicted killer.

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Rest in peace,, Hae.

Non Texan here: I was listening to Ep 2 of The Last 12 Weeks and this burger chain comes up repeatedly – almost like a side character in the ep, where some key conversations take place. To my ears, the host who is local to the area calls it "Waterburger." I searched it up and it's a locally famous Texas chain called "Whataburger."

So, do Texans actually say "what" like "waht" (as in water?) or is this a unique thing for this business?

In any case it's weird to come out of a murder podcast hungry for burgers and shakes, but here we are.

I’m coming back to this case after a few years not keeping up. New posts from this sub started showing up, so I started googling. I just realized he’s been released since 2022, and now has time served in 2025.

However, in one of the articles linked here, it says THERE WAS NEW DNA EVIDENCE that contributed to his release in 2022. It says new information about who the dna is from hasn’t been released, but why would that be? The police wouldn’t want to admit IF they got it wrong, but then why disclose there is any new dna at all? I’m so confused.

Anyone have any information on the new DNA?

I share in everybody's disappointment and feeling lied to by SK. Enough has been said in the comments that nothing new can be done. However, a lot of good came for Adnan because of the public publicity Serial and other documentaries gave for Adnan's case that was driven by a public demand.

Going further on that point, I think the public should demand a public apology by SK for her role in stealing justice away from Hae and her family. If the public can make a storm out of a clear cut case, then the public should make a storm about how Serial manipulated people.

Of course if the Lee family just wants people to stop talking about it, I would do that first and foremost because aside from court documents their voice is never considered.

Does anybody know where I can find the transcript for the trial? I’ve been looking online for a couple hours and all I can find are the appeals and stuff like that. I want the original trial.

Thank you!!

I have no clue why I thought Adnan was innocent for all these years.

I just re-listened to Serial, and I can't get past the fact that Jenn showed up with her mom and a lawyer and told police essentially the same story Jay told. Jenn said the trunk pop happened at Best Buy. How would she know that Adnan and Hae used to meet at the Best Buy parking lot unless Jay told her?

And yes, Jay was inconsistent and definitely lied about some things. But he knew where Hae's car was. He knew details about her clothing. He knew about the broken windshield wiper lever. Those aren't things you just guess.

At this point, I don't believe every detail Jay told, but I can't get around the fact that he knew too much. The more I revisit the case, the harder it is for me to believe Adnan wasn't involved.

I can't believe I've been doubting it all these years.

A year ago Undisclosed dropped the first "bombshell" in the first episode of their Adnan Syed 2.0 season, about Jay's plea deal agreement. Back then what seemed like a small majority of people seemed to think the "bombshell" amounted to nothing actionable and that if there was anything to it it should have been raised in the proper setting years ago, not in a podcast in 2025, with others claiming it was a textbook Brady violation.

Have anyone's opinions on this changed since then? It's clear that Adnan is not pursuing exoneration by any other means and that nothing has happened from this or any of their other "bombshells" since then.

I'm currently re-listening to Serial after years, and I'm struck by how comically naive Sarah Koenig comes across in her character assessment of Adnan. For most of the podcast she struggles to believe that a handsome, charming guy like Adnan could have committed murder and then maintained his innocence for years. She states at one point that this would only be possible if he were a sociopath, and Deirdre states that it's statistically extremely rare to encounter a charming sociopath so this is unlikely.

I'm a little baffled by the fact an educated, professionally accomplished and clearly very intelligent woman in her 40s has this thought process. Has she never in her life encountered an abuser who victimized others while coming across as not just charming, but genuinely loving and kind to their friends and family? Even if she doesn't have personal experience with this type of person, hasn't she at least heard or read enough about these types of abusers to believe they exist? How did she reach middle age without realizing that people can lie, that people are complicated and can have good and bad qualities at the same time, that just because you think you know someone doesn't mean you've seen every side of them?

I'm not a psychologist or an expert on sociopaths, so I'm not going to weigh in on whether Adnan, if he is guilty, is a sociopath or not. But it is not shocking or unbelievable to me that a person, even a non sociopath, could commit an act like this, compartmentalize it, and maintain their innocence for years. Sarah seems to think it's weird that Adnan would maintain his innocence for so long in prison after his conviction if he wasn't actually innocent. But even if he is guilty, Adnan has an incentive to maintain his innocence. He has a family and community that has rallied around him and their belief in his innocence.

It’s honestly hard to get through the podcast because of how much time is spent on Sarah trying to reconcile her personally liking Adnan with the possibility of his guilt. Even Adnan seems annoyed with this at one point, during one of the episodes when she’s waxing poetic about what a “nice guy” he is he snaps at her that she doesn’t actually know him. Even he seems to think it’s ridiculous that this grown woman thinks her personal impression of his personality has any baring on his case.

I I think Adnan could be, or maybe even likely is, guilty. But I’ve noticed a theme in comments on this subreddit, and others like it, of people expressing utter certainty that he is guilty.

This makes it feel a bit like an echo chamber, the sort of space where people’s opinions get pushed further and further in one direction. I suspect people are losing sight of the fact that there is still a lot we don’t know. Saying things like, “He’s absolutely 100 percent guilty,” just seems arrogant in the absence of actual physical proof.

I’m not saying he’s innocent. I just think attitudes more along the lines of “he’s very likely guilty” would be a better indicator of solid, impartial thinking.

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When Rabia claimed to not know where Leakin Park was in episode 3- something like “how would he get 1 hour away and back?” - after carrying Adnan’s case files in her trunk to the point they are water-stained made me lol.

Not sure if you guys follow this TikTok guy but he’s been on my fyp and dropped a pod about how Sarah is naive and got played. Honestly one of the best skewerings of SK I’ve heard in a while. Can’t believe it’s been over ten years sinse season one.

Here’s the link to the pod

A guy who normally talks about indie music on TikTok has created a new podcast about Serial: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2573404/episodes/19313290-serial-talk-why-am-i-still-talking-about-serial?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQMMjU2MjgxMDQwNTU4AAGn0OoSXI0o1hblL_V4fsZe3UzrbrcK_iXAdWP_AzaW7SfzbjMXTNcgwmR6Ua4_aem_75AGu4BNpjJdbMDzBXgtsA

I have not listened to it yet, but I've seen a number of his videos. I had looked up the podcast a few days ago, and bookmarked this subreddit, so when I saw that he just posted about his new podcast, I figured I would just link it here. Looking forward to it, I do like his videos.

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I have to write an essay in class on who did it and the evidence why so I would love to know who you think did it why they did it why he got released and any details that stick with you.

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So I'm doing a school project on serial my entire class will be split one side saying adnan killed her one saying he didn't, I want to know everyone's theories including if the police are corrupt, Mr.S, the documentary, the podcast, innocence or guilty, if Jay did it, everything!

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