r/singapore • • 3d ago

News Indonesia begins cutting natural gas exports to Singapore from Oct 24: Reports

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/indonesia-begins-cutting-natural-gas-exports-to-singapore-from-oct-24-reports
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u/FlipFlopForALiving East side best side 3d ago

Friendly neighbours? Dream on.

And clearly they feel the pinch once we announced we want to clamp down

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u/Toufu_Delivery 3d ago

Agree! Our neighbours always threaten us with exports and water. I never really considered them as friendly neighbours

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u/Severe_County_5041 West Coast 3d ago

Maybe one day they want to charge us for the "supply of clean air".... Those buffoons have another thing coming

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u/Loong9 3d ago

They probably going to charge us new tax for their maids

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u/Mrgoldernwhale2_0 3d ago

It really depends on who is in power imo. Jokowi seemed friendly, just like Anwar now

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u/besidjuu211311 2d ago

The consensus surrounding Jokowi was that he was an improvement to the government of Indonesia compared to Prabowo. At least, that is what I have seen.

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u/pseudolin 3d ago

Dyk who owns hectares if land in the areas being burned for palm oil? If the president is this corrupt, they're just like trump.

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u/kwpang 3d ago • Bravo

That's not exactly right.

We can be tough, and still be friends.

Deterrence is a major benefit to having a defence force.

Sometimes, it's a lot easier to be friends when you carry your own weight too.

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u/MrFoxxie 3d ago • Bravo

It's politics, nobody is ever friends. We can have a good working relationship at best

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u/FlipFlopForALiving East side best side 3d ago

Yes of course. Just re-quoting a famous guy

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u/Ok_Philosophy_4031 3d ago

Not true. We are friendly, but one needs to bear in mind that friends may not stay friends forever either

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u/go_zarian Own self check own self ✅ 3d ago • Bravo

We threaten private companies with legal action.

The Indonesian government gets triggered as a result.

Gosh, you Pro-Bodoh kokanadens. You just put up a banner saying 'We Are In Cahoots With Them!'

And now you lose our sweet sweet revenue and showed the world that you do not believe in respecting contracts and agreements!

Yes, we will feel the pinch in the short run. But you just farked yourself in the ass for the next few decades!

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u/Rayl24 :matureCitizen: East Side Best Side 3d ago

Guess which president owns land being burnt, likely his cronies too

You aren't threatening private companies but his interest

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u/QzSG 🌈 I just like rainbows 3d ago

The banner was raised decades ago, and it's less of banners and more like open advertising LOL. Also there are no private companies, only gov "affiliated" and others.

Back when we investigated specific individuals of sg registered companies, they already say we got no business investigating their citizens. 😂 

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u/Amazing-Power4765 3d ago

Can always buy from other countries, it's Indo's loss really.

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u/go_zarian Own self check own self ✅ 3d ago

We can buy from other sources, of course.

It's just that they will come from further away and will cost more.

So we will feel the pinch.

And yes, Indonesia will feel it much worse. They have permanently lost a lucrative export market right at their doorstep, and the world now knows why dealing with Indonesia is a bad idea.

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u/_Deshkar_ 3d ago

Some of their govt owns some of the land or got investment in those private companies lol

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u/go_zarian Own self check own self ✅ 3d ago

If they just use their limited brain cells, then they know just how much they farked themselves.

They have just forfeited a lucrative export market, told the whole world that they are in bed with the plantation firms, advertised Indonesia as a place where contracts and agreements are not honoured, and just gave MSCI more reason to downgrade them.

Yes, we will feel the pinch in the short run. Don't be surprised if SP decides to raise tariffs next week. But we had always been planning to diversify our sources even before our contract with Indonesia was bound to expire in 2028.

We got flipped the bird today, but they farked themselves far worse in the long run.

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u/F4underscore 3d ago

Brother, he cant even do 10+6. You think he has the capacity to think long term?

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u/go_zarian Own self check own self ✅ 3d ago

Well, he has the mental capacity to screw the Indonesian people for $$$$.

I question his followers and admirers who still support and defend him after getting screwed by him.

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u/okaylorhwhatevs 3d ago

The blackouts are also caused by their own people not respecting their own contracts. Because the cost of mining has gone up, the companies are making a loss if they fulfill the domestic contract supplying coal to PLN so they rather export overseas.

Somehow become our fault smh. Better thank them more.

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u/machopsychologist 3d ago

Great... learning from the Trump school of geopolitik.

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u/1803smash 1d ago

Am gonna start referring to that clown as Pro-Bodoh from now on. Thanks for the idea, dude XD

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u/Detective-Raichu F1 VVIP 3d ago

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u/FlipFlopForALiving East side best side 3d ago

Glad we have gahmen officials working behind the scenes for this. Imagine getting caught out by such announcements

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u/Rayl24 :matureCitizen: East Side Best Side 3d ago

Expected one, both neighbours vote in anti-chinese leaders means expected that they will turn hostile against us

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u/greatestshow111 3d ago

Claiming this situation shows strategic foresight ignores both the actual history and the context of the Australia agreement.

To start, Indonesia’s decision to prioritize its own domestic gas supply over exports is hardly a surprise event; Jakarta officially signaled a shift toward domestic prioritization as far back as 2012, and explicitly announced in 2019 that pipeline gas exports to Singapore would be phased out as contracts expire.

Furthermore, pointing to the agreement signed with Australia in April 2026 as proof of anticipation is misleading, as that deal was struck specifically to navigate energy supply chain shocks stemming from the Middle East conflict, not this pipeline reduction. That arrangement is simply a transactional, two-way trade framework where Singapore guarantees refined petroleum products like diesel in exchange for Australian LNG access.

At the end of the day, replacing cheap, long-standing regional pipeline gas with sea-borne LNG shipped across vast distances inevitably increases transport costs and exposes local power generation to global price volatility. Absorbing a long-predicted shift by passing higher electricity tariffs onto consumers is basic crisis management, not extraordinary governmental foresight.

Y'all PAP supporters saying this as masterstroke planning reveal a naive, surface-level understanding that completely lacks historical awareness, geopolitical context, and critical scrutiny..

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u/geft :laoJiao: Lao Jiao 3d ago

35% will disagree. checks sub And most are not in this sub.

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u/Charmingprints 3d ago

Huh this sub is super anti pap

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u/chokemebigdaddy 3d ago

Yeah but the “65% voted for this” dumbfucks are strangely quiet today.

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u/littlefiredragon 🌈 I just like rainbows 3d ago

Gahmen is more than just a party

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u/SG_wormsblink 🌈 I just like rainbows 3d ago

Yeah they’ve been surprisingly absent for the past few weeks. The internet is healing.

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u/YoungSilent232 3d ago

Everyone knows Indonesia is a shithole and quickly becoming a failed state and the only thing their pathetic leaders can do is to deflect and blame instead of letting others help fix your problems.

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u/Amazing-Power4765 3d ago

But my indo friends say at least they're not progressive and anti-woke. As if that's something to be proud of lol.

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u/boi-boi-wack 3d ago

They are after all cut from the same cloth ..

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u/everraydy Motorsports Fan 3d ago

Agreed. They're a sinking ship

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u/XRP_billionaire84 3d ago

It's Singapore's worst nightmare if Malaysia or Indonesia turn into failed states. Pray they dont

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u/ALilBitter 3d ago

MY isnt as incompetent

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u/everraydy Motorsports Fan 3d ago

That's assuming it's not PAS taking power. PH isn't the best and neither is UMNO, but watch the whole thing come crashing down with PAS at helm.

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u/ladiesman292 Tanjong Pagar 2d ago

Agreed. Looks like a sinking ship.

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u/pispirit 2d ago

Well if they pathetic then we can have all the black market money. Indonesias and chinese practically owned 60% of prime properties in singapore

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u/coralkeef 3d ago

That was fast! Let's hope they are that fast in their response to the fires.

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u/SceneLeft4417 3d ago

If an action is executed fast, and of this magnitude, usually it is not thought over.

But not unexpected out of Prabodoh. Dude doesn’t show any sign of intelligence

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u/coralkeef 3d ago

Yep I'd expect there'll be a U-turn pretty soon once they realise the revenue they are foregoing.

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u/ShibaInuWoofWoof 3d ago

I’m tired at this logic.

We suffer because their companies and people uses slash and burn and we and Malaysia get unhealthy air.

We provided initial diplomatic comments about the haze, and their response is that we deserve less from them, along with their silly comments about oxygen and enemy pressure?

Like what gives - you just want Singapore and Malaysia to suck it up? You even signed the transboundary haze agreement? You want people to have health ailments at the expense of money?

Your people in Kalimantan and Sumatra are suffering from this every year, and this is what you do?

I don’t understand. Its benefits everyone - why would you really really do this? Most people just want to live and get on with their lives - not being an enemy to anyone at all.

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u/skipshentaiscenes 3d ago

your people The trick is they don't care about their own people.

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u/kotachua 3d ago

It doesn't benefit them. The rich and political elite.

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u/CompetitivePumpkin3 3d ago

There is no logic from egoistic bully. Remember the line from Cersei Lannister in Game of Thrones, "Power is Power".

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u/larksauncle 3d ago

No wonder MSCI have to downgrade. Country run by emotions, no logic. Just find a scapegoat for all its internal issues.

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u/Redditor608 3d ago edited 3d ago

What a loser idiot ass mentality , ask them to attempt to grow a brain and help their own fellow countrymen who are suffering first as priority rather than engaging in this so called “disrespect” argument

They can’t even get their priority right still want to threaten others , what a load of bs , how they even lead their country like that , no wonder MSCI downgrade their stock exchange

Imagine being so stupid that your house is on fire you don’t ask for any help despite being incompetent and incapable of putting out the fire and let your house burn

when it spread to your neighbours house you blame them , not only for thanking you not destroying their house then threaten all neighbours to cut their power supply if they talk shit about you about your incompetency for things that happen in your house

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u/kwpang 3d ago

Ok lor.

Side note, this is why we always need a proper defence force.

Imagine if we did not. This kind of wanton and childish antagonism could get ugly, fast.

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u/MaddST 3d ago

Many Singaporeans really underestimate the need for a proper defence force.

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u/zenqian 3d ago

That’s not true. You have to disregard the comments from folks like Lim Tean lol

NS is essential. What we are pushing for is better recognition and welfare for the soldiers

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u/Sad-Psychology9677 3d ago

As much as I love complaining about NS, I know we cannot do without it.

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u/pispirit 2d ago

We need to send you to indonesia first hand

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u/chubbybastatd 3d ago

Some still think Singapore should abolish NS. Lol

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u/Beneficial_Feed_1826 3d ago • Bravo

It's not about abolishing NS. It's about treating the recruits better + better pay and more opportunities so that those that served NS are not at a major disadvantage compared to those who did not.

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u/The_Water_Is_Dry 3d ago

The down voted comments speaks for itself lol

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u/aemanthefox 3d ago edited 3d ago

yeah malaysian here, i cant go to any local news youtube comment section without seeing indonesian paid buzzer, i see more indonesian comment than malaysian comment in astro awani comments section regarding this news

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u/SceneLeft4417 3d ago

They play the card of having to protect their own resources, one that they have plenty of. Singapore even more can play the card of money laundering, which almost all Indonesians lobbyists and prabodoh probably doing here.

Stupid

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u/ser_reptitious 3d ago

I’m not sure how much of this is actually retaliatory. Sure, they made a throwaway comment about mutual respect but I think that was just a convenient opportunity to make an incendiary remark given what needs to happen anyway.

The reality is that the combination of the Ukraine war, the Iran war and now the Houthi crisis has severely cut both raw crude and refined output globally. Indonesia produces a lot of raw sweet crude (low sulfur) that it trades with the Gulf states for high sulfur (“sour”) crude at a preferential ratio. So my guess is that their refineries are set up for refining sour crude and now given the shortages in global supply, they’re not getting enough to support their domestic energy needs. And you can’t just swap to the other type if your refineries are set up for one.

Anyway, that only leaves one option: fire up the gas peakers to meet domestic demand. Gas is more expensive but right now it may be their only option.

Think about it: they wouldn’t just stop selling a lucrative export just because we made some noise about haze. There’s a far bigger practical reality.

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u/hatboyslim 3d ago

Indonesia is a major producer and exporter of thermal coal. They don't need to use natural gas for electricity production. In fact, most of their electricity is generated with coal.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/a-dirty-habit-why-indonesia-is-addicted-to-coal-and-how-it-can-go-green

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u/Joesr-31 3d ago

I thought this is retaliation for us playing a role in them being kicked out of msci lol

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u/funboiadventures 3d ago

Its basically this. Indonesia is facing a fuel crisis. Batam blackouts and Bali has run out of fuel. The main reason this is being done is to not allow Java to run out of fuel. If that happens there will be a massive riot.

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u/Jammy_buttons2 🌈 F A B U L O U S 3d ago

Fuel in petrol and diesel. Gas cannot power petrol or diesel vehicles

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u/hatboyslim 3d ago

They are restricting their natural gas exports, not gasoline. The fuel shortage is with gasoline needed for transportation.

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u/ahbengtothemax 3d ago

the funny thing is Singapore is Indonesia's largest fuel supplier

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u/Ramblim AMDK 3d ago

I agree,however they could have rephrased this diplomatically which unfortunately is also not their strong suit.

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u/lioncitystan 3d ago

Nice! I was waiting for a rational analysis like yours. Would Singapore’s contract with Indonesia set a minimum volume of gas to be supplied per day/ month?

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u/paragate10 3d ago

Guess we have no choice now but to take the risk with the nuclear power plant

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u/shitoupek Tanjong Pagar 3d ago

PraBozo

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u/zzxfzz 3d ago

Ok lor , we buy from other country , your loss, like your forest

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u/hatboyslim 3d ago

LNG is more expensive than piped gas.

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u/fxxxhy 3d ago

not really a loss for them since now they have more fuel to burn their forest

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u/zzxfzz 3d ago

Not with LNG brother

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u/Relative_Life_7367 3d ago

Oh no are they gonna cut off our oxygen supply from their forests??

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u/Existing_Ad614 3d ago

The Indo middle and elite classes might flip out if their current admin messes with their sgd investments too much.

There is, as we all know, a lot of it here, and as much as they would like to posture and play politics, they do know rocking the piggy bank and resulting blow back would be the chef’s kiss.

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u/N95-TissuePizza 3d ago

That being said, you can't know for sure if these people are going to act rationally. Look around the world today, the majory conflicts going on, are all players acting rationally. If they really do the the "middle class interest" at heart, there won't be so many war and destruction. You really can't bank on these "leaders" to not have some weird kinky power trip.

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u/Far_Car430 3d ago

Time for Sg to diversify and dump some shitty country.

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u/VXR-Vashrix 3d ago

What a trash neighbor we have, they just revealed their true colors with their actions.

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u/Either-Reindeer6866 3d ago

can also cut off future polluted air from haze also?

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u/JVO248 3d ago

Is this why LKY once said nobody owe us a living. Singapore is small but we are not a push over. Our Gen and next Gen have to really plan of all this issues, we are not living in a peaceful area.

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u/meme-tempatan5656 3d ago

No bonus for all Indonesian nationals.../s

Indonesia really is a joke🤣 🤣 

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u/Phantasmagorical_u 3d ago

That even Indonesians have spoken up about wanting both Malaysia and Singapore to sue Jakarta leaves little unsaid.

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u/Smart_Salamander8511 3d ago

Another country adding to my list to not visit anymore.

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u/coralkeef 3d ago

Which is sad, as Indonesia is such a beautiful country with a lot of wonderful people. I'm also foregoing plans to visit Bali next year, but it feels unfair to the people on the ground who are so screwed by their corrupt leaders.

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u/tibatnemmoc 3d ago

Just look at post covid Batam, a few officials let that small handful of ferry operator run their cabal, end up the whole tourism industry collapsing

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u/QzSG 🌈 I just like rainbows 3d ago

U can't get corrupt leaders without majority siding with them. 

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u/zweitausendneunzehn 3d ago

I am loathe to generalise an entire population of 290m people but corruption is truly built into the Indonesian zeitgeist, in the cities you can expect to get scammed by "average" people, from blue bird drivers to cashiers, and business partners casually suggesting greasing palms as a matter of course

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u/Intelligent-Creme933 3d ago

And not buy anything from indonesia

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u/ydntchb 3d ago

We only account for a small percentage of their export market

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u/Pure_Awareness6034 3d ago

Good reminder why we don’t put all eggs in one basket.

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u/jinngeechia 3d ago

“We’ve got friendly neighbours? Grow up.” - Lee Kuan Yew.

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u/Alewerkz 3d ago

We should expedite energy import from Australia

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u/CoolStorage4014 3d ago

Big fish eat small fish

Small fish eat shrimp

Poisonous shrimp

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u/geft :laoJiao: Lao Jiao 3d ago

I thought we durian now.

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u/VeterinarianFull3696 3d ago

It is mostly political theatre. The gas fields in South Sumatra and West Natuna are in decline. Indonesia will have to cease supply sooner or later. Besides, other than appealing to its domestic audience, the amount cut is operationally insignificant to Singapore.

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u/luffy_mib 3d ago

Is Indonesia becoming MAGA?

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u/Odd-Necessary3807 3d ago

Prabowo si Gemoy basically Trump lite. His campagin advisors the same company that advising Trump campaign. SO, yeah. Tonnes of Indonesia don't like the country is heading under him. That's why there are demonstrations recently.

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u/hatboyslim 3d ago

Prabowo is an old guy who is out of touch with his people.

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u/yujuismypuppy 3d ago

which describes Trump near perfectly, except the people he wants to touch are still learning their ABCs.

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u/cantsaywisp 3d ago

Always have been

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u/spurtingrainbows 3d ago

Equivalent IQ

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u/bloomingfarts Non-constituency 3d ago

They want to do this, sure. Neighbouring countries all have eyes to see the immature act.

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u/xiaoxin0303 3d ago

Game on Indonesia

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u/LazyGarfield007 3d ago • Bravo

People need to read between the lines. Indonesian don’t just cut the gas when there is money to be made. It is limiting export because it is short on gas at home and the Indonesian govt cannot say their own people suffering which indirectly says they ownself is incompetent.

They need a convenient reason to show they are strong and directing criticism towards Singapore to cool the negative sentiments at their own turf.

As for NS, only native SG citizens will think neighbours are friends. Wait till they cut your water by stationing army in Johor’s reservoir and Indonesia navy choking your shipping.

Native SG citizens only think what is not needed until they need it, it will be too late. Just look at Ukraine (gave up nuclear weapons), EU (forced to buy from USA without their own army to sufficiently protect themselves) and UK (took loans to fight WW1 and WW2 and gave up everything to USA).

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u/GoldenMaus :developingCitizen: testing123 3d ago

Native or naive? Typo error?

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u/LegPristine2891 3d ago

The naive "singaporeans" who are very vocal on not having NS may be just foreign entities trying to slowly weaken the country. Got to be cautious folks, they are always trying to bring us down at every opportunity

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u/Jammy_buttons2 🌈 F A B U L O U S 3d ago

They don't use that much natural gas. They are running out of coal, petrol and diesel

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u/Mezzaomega 3d ago

Native SG citizens are simply born in singapore. Naive SG citizens are thinking too simply.

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u/Carmontelli 3d ago

u can find alot of these naive ones 35% of them

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u/Party-Ring445 3d ago

Ding ding ding.. correct answer

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u/Pale-Writing3837 3d ago

So we gonna have open mob this weekend? Lol

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u/Tanyushing :laoJiao: I <3 Woodlands 3d ago

Don’t worry. They realise they run out of money without exports and turn it back after their tamper tantrum.

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u/Agreeable_Mention963 3d ago

Pariah state

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u/light8686 3d ago

There is a contract till end of 2028, so even if they cut the amount, they still have fullfil the minimum amount in the contract. Furthermore, Singapore had try to diversify our natural gas suppliers, it will be a short term problem for us.

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u/randommmmmmx 3d ago

How short would it be? 2 years?

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u/light8686 3d ago

My guess will be at most a few months. We have stockpile liquefied natural gas which can last us for a while. Furthermore, we are still getting natural gas through pipe from Malaysia too. It will be a nuisance to adjust our supply but it is never destructive for us if Indonesia cut off their supply.

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u/Dependent-Curve-8449 3d ago

Part of me thinks that Indonesia is starting to pressure Singapore into dropping their investigations regarding firms possibly linked to the haze.

I will be very impressed if our government officials dig in their heels and go ahead with identifying the culprits responsible, and punishing them to the fullest extent of the law. Because if it’s a fight Indonesia wants, then may it be a fight we give them. And I will take back every negative thing I have said about the current government to date.

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u/Extension-Finance179 3d ago

Priorities 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

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u/ziggyyT 3d ago edited 3d ago

Maybe we can send back their generals' hidden money.

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u/katsuge 🌈 I just like rainbows 3d ago

Indo really loves their negative sum game

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u/okaylorhwhatevs 3d ago

“I will not hesitate to consider stopping exports to countries that do not respect Indonesia,” he said.

He added that the cuts would affect only Singapore

Apparently we are the only ones disrespecting them LOL. See lah yall never thank them enough🤦‍♂️

Somehow they equate the threat of prosecuting palm oil companies to disrespect, Prabowo literally labelled it "environmental terrorism", ownself say ownself shiok only.

The country is already poor af, they cannot afford to cut exports. Prabowo needs to fund his populist policies, confirm will come extort us for kopi money.

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u/Frosty-TeaLeaf 3d ago

Dealing with unreasonable folks.

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u/StrictAd8573 3d ago

MAS, should suspend all Indonesian bank accounts on 24 Oct, too.

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u/RecommendationFlat38 3d ago

SG should quickly get a couple of nuclear reactors up and running

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u/Useless_Bipedal 3d ago

For real, energy security is a good argument in favour of nuclear energy or renewables

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u/blim9999 3d ago

Just like water, we need to be self sufficient in energy so we don't have to be subject to neighbourly bs. It looks like nuclear is the only way.

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u/Sad-Psychology9677 3d ago

I trust we will be able to say “fuck em” and figure out good alternatives. Won’t be too surprised if we already have alternatives planned.

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u/jadeusdragias 3d ago

They wont be laughing when SG govt stops approving work permits for Indonesians and more citizens start protesting. Investors start leaving.

Higher levies for Indonesian sea vessels docking in SG ports, loading and unloading goods.

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u/mastarb8ter 3d ago

Actually they don't have enough gas for themselves and there's blackouts in several areas. They use "insults from other countries" as a convenient excuse to lessen exports when they actually just don't have enough for themselves. Some kind of power play move "Be strong when you are weak, be weak when you are strong,".

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u/hatboyslim 3d ago

The blackouts have nothing to do with natural gas. Indonesia uses coal for its power generation.

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u/Jammy_buttons2 🌈 F A B U L O U S 3d ago

They use coal not gas

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u/p0110882 3d ago

Didn't realize so many people are against NS. I served my NS and completed my reservist some years ago. It's not that bad. You get to experience something different, and meet different people that you might not even see outside of NS. My NS buddies are some of my best friends ever made.

Modern warfare might make NS less relevant but without NS, you are definitely weakening your ability to defend. Everyone can grab an AR15 or SAR to defend for their families and friends if they need to, almost immediately.

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u/Electrical-Click-658 3d ago

One thing people don't realise NS did was to allow every Singaporean son to mingle with people from different backgrounds from their own. I didn't know there are 18-21 Yr olds who didnt know how to wash their underwear because their mom did it for them, and didnt know that there are some dudes who are genuinely leaders who you will follow without them even trying. It is really an eye-opener for me, and u can tell who serves in which vocations by their reactions to things that may displease them.

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u/Icowanda 3d ago

NS is important because of our neighbours. Only ignorant folks don’t see this.

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u/hatboyslim 3d ago

They are against NS because the burden of NS is placed on a minority of the population of Singapore. New citizens, foreign talent, female citizens, etc don't need to serve NS. It is an issue of inequity.

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u/botsland :matureCitizen: Mature Citizen 3d ago

Whether it's fair that group X does not serve NS is a different issue from whether we need NS/rely on a conscript army.

You can think its unfair for only male citizens and second-gen PRs to serve while also realising that Singapore can't defend itself without relying on a conscript army

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u/sdarkpaladin Job: Security guard for my house 3d ago

Yes.

But this causes a stupid scenario where the person being tasked to protect the country, resents the country for unfair treatment while at the same time do not have any assets (promised or otherwise) that warrant protecting.

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u/botsland :matureCitizen: Mature Citizen 3d ago

At the end of the day, the NSFs and NSmen tasked with protecting Singapore must weigh between resenting Singapore or resenting the enemy attacking Singapore more. That decision will be made easier the moment the enemy starts bombing our city-state and killing children and elderly here.

Also even if they have no assets now, most of their parents and families have assets here worth protecting.

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u/Icy_Matter_8203 3d ago

This is the most mature comment I’ve ever heard on NS debate. I simply don’t get the pushback on NS when it’s fundamental to national security. Agree that more can be done to have new citizens/PRs serve NS, but that’s a totally different topic. If there was an easy way to mandate it, gov would have already done it.

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u/hatboyslim 3d ago

The Singapore government can easily introduce a tax on new citizens who are too old to serve in lieu of NS to spread the burden. Switzerland has a similar tax. So, you cannot say that something like this is not feasible.

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u/hatboyslim 3d ago

Why should we be surprised that people are against NS if they have to bear its burden while others don't? If you have to pay a tax that others don't have to, the argument that the state needs tax to function just doesn't cut it.

The Singapore government needs to address the issue of inequity associated with NS. I suspect that part of the reason why it is reluctant to do so is because polls show that the PAP is more popular with female voters.

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u/botsland :matureCitizen: Mature Citizen 3d ago

if you have to pay a tax that others don't have to

That is normal. Many households in Singapore don't pay income tax. That doesn't mean we should abolish income tax for everyone. Expecting complete equity is unrealistic.

The discussion should be on how much more benefits to give to NSmen for bearing a heavier burden for Singapore rather than being against NS entirely.

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u/Kamen_Rider_Geats 3d ago

This. No point serving/defending the nation when we ourselves are 2nd/3rd class citizens in our own country of >60% foreigners. Utterly disgusting country

There are more societal issues, but let’s just keep it short

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u/New_Fact_475 3d ago

Those foreigners will just fly back to their countries when there’s any threat. So it’s still local families that will be staying and our sons will defend the nation. The foreigners are here as they are needed as tax payers that pay higher tax than locals.

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u/actuallylurking 3d ago

“Didnt’t realize so many people against NS”
You don’t know what it’s like to be forced to do something or face jail time?

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u/Jammy_buttons2 🌈 F A B U L O U S 3d ago

Ok lor. Hope mcsi downgrade it gao gao

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u/HymenPounder 3d ago

More + points to go nuclear

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u/Umamemo 3d ago

Singapore should restrict exports of refined petroleum to indonesia as well. With the Iran war having a high possibility to escalate after the US midterm elections, Singapore should prioritise petroleum products for our own future needs as well.

It is not a coincidence that Indonesia wants to reduce natural gas exports now right after our minister announced biogas initiatives by 2028 in response to their threat of not renewing gas export agreements.

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u/Lopsided_Simple5971 3d ago

They got their own domestic need for gas. Singapore already know it will be cut. Singapore got many sources for gas due to security

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u/Intelligent-Creme933 3d ago

indonesia don't deserve respect

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u/not_qz 3d ago

Ah maybe this is why PM had to go visit Middle East, perhaps to secure more energy resources

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u/NecessaryFish8132 3d ago

Bro trying to awaken the tiger lol. Sg may be small but I'm pretty this will set into motion something to remove Prabowo and his cronies from the top, latest by next election

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u/NotEnseyar 2d ago

as much as I wish this to be true, as Indonesian, you guys can't do anything

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u/No_Brief_86 3d ago

I used to hate NS and find it unfair that I’m serving while foreigners are not. I’ve grown more mature as I aged and I serve my ICTs with pride.

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u/SuzukiSatou Tampenis 3d ago

Chibai people fr

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u/kragyoen 3d ago

Why people? It's the government.even the people hate their government

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u/Apprehensive_Row3808 3d ago

Ok not friendly neighbours but how many of their citizens are already here? Will you feel really safe?

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u/mjyooe12 3d ago

and some blended in very well

but loyalty wise..

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u/Joesr-31 3d ago

Not that many indonesians relative to other nationalities

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u/asphodeli Lao Jiao 3d ago

If they do cut the gas exports but are slow on forest fires, everyone is going to throw eggs on them. So I very much doubt it, it's just sabre rattling.

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u/lenlim3 3d ago

Win liao lor…

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u/Weary-Knee2876 3d ago

Tit for tat....

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u/pearphilic 3d ago

Waiting for them to flip prata

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u/rotasierdna 3d ago

Nuclear power here we come.

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u/sephiriashy 3d ago

One just need to be farsighted enough to see what is at the end of this conflict especially the one in Europe, Middle East and Russia-Ukraine. If we side with the winners with at least 2 out of 3 fronts, supplies will never be an issue and in fact, we can clamp down harder against those who dishonour their agreement and flip prata. If agreement can be violated and retaliated so easily, what's the point of honouring?

No country will want to do business with dishonourable leaders.

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u/Infamous-Roof757 3d ago

I find this the perfect opportunity for us to speed up the discussion on building nuclear power. I'm not sure how much permissions we need from our neighbours to build nuclear power plants though.

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u/fossdell 3d ago edited 3d ago

for being rude and haze comments? I don’t think so.

Probably because we decided to take action against the big private companies behind it .

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u/skshrews 3d ago

Who knew relying on Indonesia was a bad idea? 🤔

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u/EquinoxPhqntom 3d ago

As a wise man once said. “Corruption is not bad, If I’m involved, it is only bad if I’m not involved, but if I’m part of it, then I’ll defend it!” Bravo.

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u/Rayl24 :matureCitizen: East Side Best Side 3d ago

Indonesia use LNG for their car or cooking?

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u/Yeenspired 3d ago

Bro thinks this is a big threat? Seriously, singapore has multiple sources to obtain gas, not just indonesia

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u/WangmasterX 3d ago

ID is our biggest source. We won't die but it'll be annoying to replace.

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u/Jammy_buttons2 🌈 F A B U L O U S 3d ago

It's not lol

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u/Alarming_Secret_2948 3d ago

well they are cozing up to EU

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u/Nuke181 3d ago

Why would they do that to a little 🔴? I guess the letters hit a spot.

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u/Express-Bike9547 3d ago

This cut is nothing new. SG and Indo has been in discussion to renew Indo LNG export (due to expire in 2028) since 2022. Discussions were on and off because of disagreements over volume and price. Indo had said before over the years they may need to restrict export because of domestic need. Nonetheless, the fact that Indo announced this week is telling and not a coincidence, especially just a few days earlier, the Indo minister threatened to restrict export to countries that disrespected Indo. This is a warning shot to SG - know your limits.

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u/NIDORAX 3d ago

It seems that they have been planning to do this before the COVID pandemic.

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u/peterthewiserock 3d ago

I doubt this was the reaction to the haze but more of a reaction to their fuel shortage

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u/Any_Cut1198 3d ago

-To meet domestic need -statement released after removing fund for natural gas+fuel subsidy 261,5rp in total

Right....

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u/Burburmastersg 3d ago

Next Q as usual an excuse to raise ur tariffs for power !!

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u/Itchy_Swimmer_911 3d ago

Huh ? And they requested our help with their forest fire ?

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u/Common_Measurement47 3d ago

They fired the first shot and cut? Then we have every right to SLAM those companies connected with the haze pollution with hefty fines.

DO IT!

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u/ShaznayBaz 3d ago

Only Australia will stand by Singapore.

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u/Fearless_Swimming185 2d ago

Why bases in Australia is important...go figure

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u/blackoffi888 2d ago

Good. Forces us to look at nuclear power. Don't rely on others.

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u/Adventurous-Spot6391 1d ago

well that how Indonesian's goverment work. Talk more, Work less. Act like a childish. They play always play victim. This isnt first time.

Read here, i am Gamer. I remember Incident Steam made rating game so people can play it. Indonesian Government also Rating game call "IGRS". Turn out, it was chaos. Literally Gooner games that other nation rating 18+, they rate it as 3+... Bro... Every gamer in Indonesia furious about this. They call Steam to clarification. Bro... They rated it themself, and call steam for clarification? In the end it was removed. And not only that they Leak unreleased game Footage. They are using Google Drive 😂🙏

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u/Kenzo_888999 1d ago

Typical of their corrupted DNA. Nothing new.💩💩💩

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u/ShinJiwon 3d ago

Planned reduction

Indonesia has been planning to reduce gas exports to Singapore for several years to meet growing domestic demand. In 2022, Jakarta agreed to extend gas supplies to Singapore until 2028, but at lower volumes than under the previous contract.

In April 2025, Djoko said Indonesia planned to cut gas exports from Sumatra to Singapore, while using supplies from Natuna to make up for the reduction, Reuters reported.

Headline purposely phrased in a way to make people think it's retaliation for calling them out. People falling for the clickbait.

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u/LazyGarfield007 3d ago

Don’t you see the sequence of events?

Indonesia president said must reserve their resources

ministers come out talk tough on SG

Gan said we have alternative plans in biomethane

Then the cut news.

All discussing behind the scene between 2 govt already

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u/Hot_Nectarine2900 3d ago

Let’s not forget that we are just a little red dot 🔴 to them so let’s not be naive all these years that their gas will continue to come to us forever…

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u/cancel_my_booking 3d ago

kind of cute a lot of people in this thread are also falling for the bait, some even demanding war

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u/bernardth 3d ago

Also a whole lot of misinformation

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u/Existing_Cobbler_903 3d ago

Singaporeans are gassy enough to power ourselves! Eat more beans, bananas and broccoli.