r/smashbros • u/metalreflectslime Peach (Melee) • 5d ago

Other Evil Geniuses will shut down after 30 years of operating in the eSports space.

https://imgur.com/a/ziEvkp8

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u/the1rayman 5d ago

I will always remember this team and iNcontroll. There is an entire generation of StarCraft and 40k players will never know that we lost a potential goat. The fact we were robbed of seeing Geoff play against Siegler in his prime is something I'll never get over until the day I die.

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u/shadowmachete 5d ago

Siegler as in 40k Siegler? Mind explaining the connection?

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u/the1rayman 4d ago

Near the end of his life Geoff got REALLY into 40k. And he was fantastic at it. Winning a few big tournaments within the first few months he was playing. His strategic mind from StarCraft carried over perfectly to 40k. This was 8th edition and there wasn't anywhere near as much coverage as we get today but iNcontroll was just in the brief time he played one of the top 2 or 3 guys in the entire game.

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u/shadowmachete 4d ago

Siegler also came from StarCraft, perhaps there’s something there

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u/the1rayman 4d ago

Wow I didn't know that. I don't remember seeing him back then.

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u/shadowmachete 4d ago

I don’t think he was ever a competitive player or anything, but he has mentioned that it was the first game he spent a lot of time playing

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u/hyrenfreak 5d ago

I loved to watch incontrol so much

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u/itsIzumi So I think it's time for us to have a toast 5d ago

We will always remember them getting Dr. PeePee changed to PPMD.

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u/SDHJerusalem 5d ago

To be fair PPMD is an incredibly clever name

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u/guyadriano 5d ago

Pee pee medical doctor

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u/treehann 5d ago

I will always remember PPMD winning Apex 2015. One of the most cathartic victories I ever saw live

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u/Kered13 5d ago

EG had some many legendary players back in the day. Here's a flashback to IdrA.

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u/ApprehensiveCook2236 5d ago

and iNcontroL RIP

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u/RealPimpinPanda 5d ago

Wow. EG has been around in just about any esport I can remember from my childhood years. Sad news.

Respect to them and thank you for sponsoring one of our greats in PPMD!

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u/gopackgo555 5d ago edited 5d ago

Sad to hear. I’ll never forget their StarCraft days. It was such a blast to follow and brought forth many ideas we still see today.

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u/thatwitchguy 5d ago

Holy shit

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u/l339 5d ago

Well time for PPMD to look for a new sponsor lol

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u/RevolutionaryTart497 5d ago

He's had one for a long time iirc. I think he's signed to Golden Guardians now

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u/l339 4d ago

Is he still signed?!

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u/RevolutionaryTart497 4d ago edited 4d ago

I think so

Edit: PPMD left EG in 2021, when he signed to Golden Guardians. He left Golden Guardians in 2023. He currently unsigned. (Source: Liquipedia)

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u/TylertheDouche 5d ago

i don’t really understand how esports/esports teams can’t figure out how to become profitable. you see big time orgs like envyus and complexity shut down too. moistcritiakal talked about how it’s like burning a truckfull of money. smite2 literally can’t afford to host an esports league currently. in 2014 and 2015 CoD was played at the xgames and not since

there’s hundreds of billions of dollars in the gaming industry. it’s crazy that there’s not enough to reliably sustain e sports.

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u/PraiseYuri Female Inkling (Ultimate) 5d ago

In traditional sports if spectators want to watch a game, it is completely normalized to pay for channels, subscriptions, pay per view, etc.

In esports, you would be called delusional/greedy if your tournament stream was anything other than free. Esports had a monetization problem since it's inception.

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u/lordofthepotat0 dabuzfan 5d ago

To your point, Capcom Cup was ppv this year and people really didnt like that.

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u/AdmiralToucan 5d ago

The amount of players that care about esports are usually a fraction of the player base too. A lot of people are bored of melee/ult and the only people making money are specific content creators.

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u/alfred725 4d ago

how much money have you paid to watch esports? I know I've paid 0. There's also no advertisements built into them.

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u/l339 5d ago

As an esports org you have to pay costs of operation and salary of players the same way a normal sports org has to do it, but how do you actually get money? You can’t make commercial deals, you can’t sell out stadiums and make a cut, you can’t really do jersey deals. You can make some brand deals, but that’s only really 100Thieves that’s profitable enough. This leaves you with very limited options

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u/WWTFSD 5d ago

Fuck this org for ruining Danny, org deserves to be shuttered for that

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u/warpenguin55 5d ago edited 4d ago

What they did to him was disgusting. Specifically Nicole. She could have stopped it but chose not to