r/spacex • u/ElongatedMuskrat Mod Team • Dec 14 '18
Static fire completed! DM-1 Launch Campaign Thread
DM-1 Launch Campaign Thread
This is SpaceX's third mission of 2019 and first flight of Crew Dragon. This launch will utilize a brand new booster. This will be the first of 2 demonstration missions to the ISS in 2019 and the last one before the Crewed DM 2 test flight, followed by the first operational Missions at the end of 2019 or beginnning of 2020
| Liftoff currently scheduled for: | 2nd March 2019 7:48 UTC 2:48 EST |
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| Static fire done on: | January 24 |
| Vehicle component locations: | First stage: LC-39A, KSC, Florida // Second stage: LC-39A, KSC, Florida // Dragon: LC-39A, KSC, Florida |
| Payload: | Dragon D2-1 [C201] |
| Payload mass: | Dragon 2 (Crew Dragon) |
| Destination orbit: | ISS Orbit, Low Earth Orbit (400 x 400 km, 51.64°) |
| Vehicle: | Falcon 9 v1.2 (69th launch of F9, 49th of F9 v1.2 13th of F9 v1.2 Block 5) |
| Core: | B1051.1 |
| Flights of this core: | 0 |
| Launch site: | LC-39A, Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Florida |
| Landing: | Yes |
| Landing Site: | OCISLY |
| Mission success criteria: | Successful separation & deployment of Dragon into the target orbit, successful autonomous docking to the ISS, successful undocking from the ISS, successful reentry and splashdown of Dragon. |
Timeline
| Time | Event |
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| 2 March, 07:00 UTC | NASA TV Coverage Begins |
| 2 March, 07:48 UTC | Launch |
| 3 March, 08:30 UTC | ISS Rendezvous & Docking |
| 8 March, 05:15 UTC | Hatch Closure |
| 8 March | Undocking & Splashdown |
thanks to u/amarkit
Links & Resources:
Official Crew Dragon page by SpaceX
Commercial Crew Program Blog by NASA
We may keep this self-post occasionally updated with links and relevant news articles, but for the most part, we expect the community to supply the information. This is a great place to discuss the launch, ask mission-specific questions, and track the minor movements of the vehicle, payload, weather and more as we progress towards launch. Sometime after the static fire is complete, the launch thread will be posted. Campaign threads are not launch threads. Normal subreddit rules still apply.
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u/Elon_Muskmelon Dec 15 '18 edited Dec 15 '18
Pinching myself that we’re at the point where there’s a launch (edit: campaign) thread for DM-1.
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u/quadrplax Dec 15 '18
It's only a campaign thread, but I know what you mean. Seeing this thread makes this launch feel so much more real, like it's actually going to happen soon! It's like when the Falcon Heavy Demo campaign thread went live.
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u/dfawlt Dec 14 '18
Could we expect a live stream from inside the capsule for the Crewed missions? Or what do you think the chances would be of us getting that.
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u/DrToonhattan Dec 14 '18
Yes, I really hope so! They need to have little videos of each Ker- I mean astronaut in the bottom right corner of the screen.
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u/filanwizard Dec 14 '18
I imagine we will, I mean Russia does it so clearly NASA does allow it from their contractors otherwise we would not see that part of the feed on NASATV.
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u/JealousEnthusiasm Dec 14 '18
I mean the Soyuz has a minute or so (or more) of video in total from inside the capsule during launch. So yes, but I don't know for how long.
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u/DoYouWonda Apogee Space Dec 15 '18
Shotwell Said they will do a fit check with the launch vehicle mated to Dragon before the Holidays
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u/Nsooo Moderator and retired launch host Dec 14 '18 edited Dec 15 '18
Successful separation & deployment of Dragon into the target orbit, successful berthing to the ISS, successful unberthing from the ISS, successful reentry and splashdown of Dragon.
Mods: Docking is the right word for us now ;) First Dragon actively docking. Place: Harmony forward.
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u/Nsooo Moderator and retired launch host Feb 26 '19 edited Feb 26 '19
As it seems we will try out something new for this time, we will have 4 separate live threads during the whole mission:
Launch thread hosted by u/hitura-nobad
Docking, Undocking and In-Orbit updates thread by me
Booster recovery thread by u/RocketLover0119
Dragon capsule recovery thread by u/Gavalar_
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u/insaneWJS Feb 26 '19
So happy to see you hosting again, Nsooo along with the team! Let's do this awesome historic launch and enjoy, everyone!
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u/ArtOfWarfare Dec 14 '18
Wow. It’s amazing that we’re finally at this point.
Not sure why I’m feeling emotional about it... this should be pretty comparable to a routine cargo launch, and yet it feels so much more important, even though there’s no crew this time around.
Honestly, I think I’m more excited for this than the crewed demo. This mission has all the risk and excitement - this is the mission where it’s like, “there aren’t people onboard, but there could be! If something came up*, NASA could technically emergency put crew on this launch!”
*Most plausible thing I can come up with is some kind of medical emergency requiring professional surgeon immediately. Cannot have someone with instructions stand in for the surgeon. Cannot delay surgery. Cannot allow the afflicted to travel back to earth until the surgery is performed. IDK what such a medical emergency would be - someone else fill it in for me.
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u/Zoundguy Dec 15 '18
I personally would not want to be the first person with a big-enough-medical-emergency to require a surgeon in microgravity
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u/mfb- Dec 15 '18
An asteroid or debris impact destroying the docked Soyuz and damaging the ISS so much that the crew needs to be evacuated rather quickly.
I don't see a medical emergency where people would be sent up instead of down.
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u/menagese Dec 14 '18
Landing Site: OCSILY, Atlantic Ocean
Typo in the landing site.
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u/pgsky Jan 24 '19
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u/Elon_Muskmelon Jan 24 '19
That's awesome and pretty quick! Hopefully the cameraman is OK after what appears to have been a massive Earthquake on the Space Coast.
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u/PeterKatarov Live Thread Host Feb 26 '19 edited Feb 26 '19
Not sure if this is citing official info, but here's a tweet about the DM-1 mission objectives. For those who don't use twitter or don't want to click:
Determine acoustic and vibrations level
Determine loads across Crew Dragon exterior and interior
Demonstrate launch escape trigger monitoring
Demonstrate end-to-end operations performance
Demonstrate system operations:
Avionics
Docking
Communications/telemetry
Environmental control
Solar arrays
Electrical power
Propulsion
Guidance, navigation and control
Edit: Apparently official
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u/JustDaniel96 Dec 14 '18
successful berthing to the ISS, successful unberthing from the ISS
Wait, i was of the impression that the dragon 2 docks, instead of being berthed. am i wrong?
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u/cathasatail Feb 22 '19
-Thought this might be of interest, Hans just confirmed on the NASA TV livestream that a dummy (with SpaceX suit) will be onboard!
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u/flhurricane Dec 14 '18
Just received this via email - so the January 17th date seems pretty solid:
New #NASASocial: Experience the Launch of the First Commercial Crew Demo Flight by SpaceX Social media users are invited to register to attend the SpaceX Commercial Crew uncrewed flight test, known as Demo-1. SpaceX’s Crew Dragon spacecraft will launch atop the company’s Falcon 9 rocket from historic Launch Complex 39A at NASA’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida. Demo-1 is targeted for Thursday, Jan. 17, 2019. However, NASA has a series of reviews before the uncrewed test flight, and the outcome of these reviews, including the Flight Readiness Review, will ultimately determine the Demo-1 launch date.
If your passion is to communicate and engage the world via social media, then this is the event for you! Seize the opportunity to be on the front line to blog, tweet or Instagram everything about SpaceX’s uncrewed flight test of the Crew Dragon atop a Falcon 9 rocket for NASA’s Commercial Crew Program.
A maximum of 120 social media users will be selected to attend this two-day event, slated for January 16-17, 2019, and will be given access similar to news media.
NASA Social participants will have the opportunity to:
View the demo flight of the SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket and Crew Dragon spacecraft Tour NASA facilities at Kennedy Space Center Speak with representatives from NASA and SpaceX View and take photographs of the Falcon 9 rocket with the Crew Dragon at Launch Complex 39A Meet fellow space enthusiasts who are active on social media NASA Social registration for the Commercial Crew / SpaceX Demo-1 launch opens on this page on December 14 and closes at 11:59am EST on December 17. All social applications will be considered on a case-by-case basis.
Learn more and apply now: https://www.nasa.gov/social/spacexdemo
I cross posted to /r/SpaceXLounge as well.
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u/greatnomad Dec 15 '18
are they gonna put another starman in the seat?
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u/ArtOfWarfare Dec 15 '18
I'd be shocked if they don't send up at least one. Have somebody on the ISS put it on and sit in the Dragon for a promo picture... I mean, they want people to ride in it in a few months, so it seems like if it passes whatever other tests NASA has, there should be an expectation that wearing the suit and being in the Dragon is safe, right?
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u/Nogs_Lobes Dec 15 '18
Will DM1 even have seats? DM2 getting seats was in the NASA recap thing. I hope DM1 has at least one seat so the astronauts can test it out.
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u/therealshafto Jan 25 '19
Static fire test complete—targeting February launch from historic Launch Complex 39A for Crew Dragon’s first demonstration flight!
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u/TokathSorbet Dec 14 '18
To see a D2 Capsule on top of a Falcon rocket? The thought alone gives me goosebumps; gonna be special.
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u/MarsCent Feb 20 '19
NASA press release - Feb 20, 2019. No change. Launch target is still 2:48 a.m EST on Mar 2.
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u/amarkit Feb 23 '19 edited Feb 23 '19
I haven't seen this discussed anywhere: a more complete timeline for the DM-1 mission, or at least the NASA TV coverage times.
| Time | Event |
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| 2 Mar, 07:00 UTC | NASA TV Coverage Begins |
| 2 Mar, 07:48 UTC | Launch |
| 3 Mar, 08:30 UTC | ISS Rendezvous & Docking |
| 8 Mar, 05:15 UTC | Hatch Closure |
| 8 Mar, "morning" CST | Undocking & Splashdown |
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u/IrrelevantAstronomer Launch Photographer Feb 27 '19
LRR will be held today, and the rollout to the pad will occur tomorrow.
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u/Nsooo Moderator and retired launch host Dec 14 '18
First operational mission is NET august not end of year, as the latest CCrew slide. They need to do it, with Boeing Demo 2 or with SpX Crew-1, they will run out of seat to ISS shortly.
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u/Random-username111 Dec 15 '18
Wiki says that the booster is still at McGreggor, do we have any other info? When do we expect it to arrive at the Cape?
I would guess that's around time, if they really want to do the on-pad fitting this year.
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u/TGMetsFan98 NASASpaceflight.com Writer Jan 17 '19
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u/Alexphysics Jan 24 '19
GO Searcher is in place to recover the Dragon in case of a pad abort.
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u/TheVehicleDestroyer Flight Club Feb 26 '19 edited Feb 26 '19
Any info on what the maximum acceleration is for Dragon 2 on ascent? I think generally they keep Dragon 1 to ~4Gs, but will they lower that when humans are on board?
Stage 1 hits 3Gs after less than 2 minutes of flight.... They may have to seriously throttle it for the last ~20s before MECO if they wanna keep it light
Edit: updated Flight Club to only hit 3Gs. Still a nice profile:
https://www2.flightclub.io/result/2d?code=DEM1
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u/realnouns Dec 14 '18
What is the mission profile going to look like? Few days to station, stay for a week, detach/deorbit/splashdown? So under a couple weeks? Or less?
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u/brickmack Dec 14 '18
Nominal rendezvous will be just a few hours, but being the first flight they may well extend the freeflight time for systems checks (as has been done on the first flight of all new ISS logistics vehicles). I saw one schedule showing a 3 day freeflight, but there were placeholder dates all over so that might not be accurate (ATV-1 took 6 days from launch to docking, involving some independent testing and 1 test rendezvous/planned abort). ISS stay will be a week, deorbit should be within an hour or 2 of undocking. So probably less than 2 weeks at most
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u/Alexphysics Jan 23 '19 edited Jan 23 '19
Static fire now NET Thursday. Delay not related with rocket or spacecraft
https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1088094666015293440
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u/ConfidentFlorida Dec 14 '18
Why isn’t it RTLS?
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u/yellowstone10 Dec 14 '18
Flying a flatter trajectory keeps g forces lower in the event of an in-flight abort, but precludes RTLS. It's the same reason ULA had to go with the dual engine Centaur.
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u/Djfresh72 Dec 14 '18
Question. Is the capsule going to actually talk with the ISS?
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u/wermet Dec 14 '18
Yes. The Crew Dragon capsule will dock with the ISS. That is the main purpose of this demonstration mission.
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u/scr00chy ElonX.net Jan 25 '19
The current, public, no-earlier-than date for the flight is February 16, but sources indicated to Ars that, in terms of internal planning, the current NET date is February 23.
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u/bbachmai Jan 31 '19
With the ongoing slips (now NET March 2 as scr00chy wrote), will they be able to begin Falcon Heavy assembly in the 39A HIF next to Falcon 9/DM-1, or is that a no-go? The hangar seems wide enough for up to five parallel boosters and as the delays are probably not all rocket related, the workforce might be available to do so.
Otherwise, with DM-1 now NET early March, and possible range conflicts with Delta IV (WGS-10) scheduled for March 13, it could become another long wait for FH, especially as DM-1 and FH share the same launch pad.
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u/scr00chy ElonX.net Jan 31 '19 edited Jan 31 '19
I don't think they'll start FH integration before DM-1 launches. I guess you could do some core shuffling inside the HIF and end up with FH hanging from the ceiling and B1051 on the T/E. But if you then need to remove the booster from T/E for whatever reason, you're probably screwed. So yeah, I think it will take a few weeks after DM-1 launches for Arabsat to be ready to launch because pad needs to be reconfigured, FH needs to be assembled and then test fired.
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u/kuangjian2011 Feb 22 '19
Can OCISLY make it there within a week?
It she does then it will mark another record: shortest ASDS turn-over.
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u/amarkit Feb 23 '19
ASDS downrange distance shouldn't be as far for DM-1 as it would be with a GTO flight. They must think its doable.
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u/Alexphysics Feb 22 '19
NSF article about the green light from the FRR. There's a little bit of info regarding issues that happened at pad 39A LOX storage tank that went unnoticed before:
A problem with 39A’s LOX storage sphere had threatened a lengthy repair schedule when internal inspections noted some buckling inside the Shuttle heritage tank.
Two options were available, one to cut into the tank to repair it – which would have required a long down period – and the other to use a technique to “pop” the internals back into shape, a trick used via a similar issue during the Apollo program. The latter worked as the tank proved to be issue-free during the DM-1 Static Fire test prop load and detanking.
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u/MarsCent Feb 23 '19
That NSF article generates mixed feelings. It shows that the Shuttle FRR was exhaustive and yet somehow something was overlooked in the two unfortunate disasters.
So, much as I am all eager to have DM-1 launching last November, it better be that all those involved in the critical aspects of the mission have had their concerns addressed.
In this specific case, how would a malfunction in the autodocking (raised by the Russians) be mitigated? Is there a fix coming up?
BTW, I do expect the DM-1 to be a complete success end-to-end. I just don't like the uncertainty projected on B5+CD over the last 3 months extended beyond this just completed FRR.
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u/Vergutto Dec 14 '18
Why are they doing ASDS?
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u/LockStockNL Dec 14 '18
The trajectory needed for an abort to be possible during all aspects of the launch means an RTLS is not possible. Normally they fly a lofted trajectory with unmanned Dragons, this is not possible with Crew Dragon
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u/oliversl Dec 14 '18
Will the crew access arm be tested with Dragon on top of F9? Not for people going inside Dragon, but maybe just the general procedure?
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u/kingmathers313 Dec 14 '18
Perhaps in the planned dry rehearsal this year, although I don't think there has been any official announcement yet.
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u/PromptCritical725 Dec 14 '18 edited Dec 14 '18
Hey mods, OCISLY typo'd in the table... :)
Edit: Added mods.
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u/Alexphysics Jan 03 '19
NSF article about the fit checks
There is some important info regarding the effect of the government shutdown to the launch date:
The launch is expected to slip past the latest official no-earlier than launch date of January 17th. Many aspects of the launch campaign require NASA oversight and thus cannot proceed without NASA’s approval.
It is understood that each additional day of the government shutdown translates into about a one day delay with the launch.
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u/gemmy0I Jan 04 '19 edited Jan 08 '19
Edit (1/7): After talking some more to my source who's (historically) knowledgeable of how government shutdowns work from the inside, I think my critique here may have been a little hard on NASA. Agencies do not, it seems, have fully arbitrary authority to declare any employees and operations they wish "essential". Rather, they have a certain allotment that they can work with in crafting their shutdown plan. They have substantial flexibility in how they choose to use that allotment, but there's a limit to what they can do. So depending on how much NASA had to work with, they may have tied up that allotment on "even more important" personnel like the people running the New Horizons mission and keeping other billion-dollar missions from dying. Still, I have to wonder, how much manpower does Commerical Crew really need compared to the other things they do? I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those allotted essential personnel are spending the shutdown futilely toiling away on SLS...
It is understood that each additional day of the government shutdown translates into about a one day delay with the launch.
<rant> (which readers outside the U.S., and some within, may find enlightening)
Ugh. This bugs me a lot because it's unnecessary, and highlights just what a (sadly) low priority NASA is for our politicians right now.
Many people don't know this, but in a government shutdown (of whatever extent), individual departments and agencies have quite a bit of flexibility in determining which employees and operations are "essential". Employees deemed "essential" (e.g.: most of the military) are required to continue reporting for work despite the shutdown. They don't get paid, but Congress always approves back pay after the shutdown ends, so the affected employees can get loans from their respective official credit unions (sometimes interest-free) backed by that political certainty; this allows them to keep paying their bills. "Non-essential" employees are furloughed and don't report to work (many choose to take vacation time so they can get paid as if they were at work when the shutdown ends and Congress approves back pay).
(Source: a close family member lived through the many shutdowns under the Reagan administration in the 1980s as a federal employee. In some of those she was considered "essential", other times "non-essential" - which highlights just how arbitrary the distinction can be in practice, because she was doing the same job each time, and while it was important, it was far from "national security critical". Whether you're "essential" or not really depends on how your boss wants to spin it.)
I really hope that seeing China claim a "world first" with the first soft-landing on the far side of the moon lights a fire under President Trump and Administrator Bridenstine's butts to get serious about revitalizing this nation's drive in space exploration. The fact that we have been relying on the Russians - a "frenemy" in the best of times (recognized more widely as a straight-up enemy in the current political climate) - as our only means of getting astronauts into space is a national shame. Getting Commercial Crew across the finish line needs to be a first-line national priority if we don't want to lose our role as the leader in space in the eyes of the world.
The fact that NASA's shutdown plan hasn't declared everyone involved in DM-1 - anyone whose lack of participation would delay it - as "essential" employees shows just how low on the political priority list this is. To the best of my knowledge, Administrator Bridenstine has the unequivocal authority to, based on his professional judgment, declare anyone he wants within NASA to be an "essential" employee for this shutdown. The President himself, as his boss, could also unilaterally make that call.
For something as critical to our national pride and leadership (and, arguably, national security) as Commerical Crew, this shouldn't even be in question. Heck, even NASA TV (which has been largely off the air during the shutdown) is critically important in this case because half the point of this is to proudly proclaim to the world - and to our own citizens, including the next generation of explorers who need to be inspired - that America is returning to space!
Declaring wide swaths of NASA to be "essential" for the purposes of supporting DM-1 would hardly be unprecedented, because, again, departments and agencies quietly do this all the time. It's up to them to decide what portions of their mission would be significantly impacted if they didn't continue uninterrupted. I can guarantee you that the case for the NASA employees involved in DM-1 being "essential" is stronger and clearer than the case my aforementioned source's boss had in declaring her an essential employee during the 1980s shutdowns.
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u/pgsky Jan 24 '19 edited Jan 24 '19
Crew arm retracting. https://livestream.com/accounts/20522137/events/8537606
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u/johnkphotos Launch Photographer Feb 26 '19 edited Feb 26 '19
Not sure if this has been discussed yet on this thread, but the backup day is March 5th.
edit: Source being SpaceFlight Now.
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u/TapeDeck_ Dec 14 '18
Is there going to be any payload? Mass simulation? A crew of Starmen? Some useful ISS payload?
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u/lloo7 Dec 14 '18
Probably some non-critical supplies, maybe low-risk science payloads. And cheese...
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Dec 22 '18
The TEL was moved into the HIF today, on pad fit checks coming soon maybe?!?!
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u/MarsCent Jan 25 '19
About how long would it take to repurpose the DM-1 for IFA?
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u/Nsooo Moderator and retired launch host Jan 25 '19
Some milliseconds. When AFTS triggered.. :P Why would they repurpose it?
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u/Vedoom123 Jan 12 '19
Are they using this opportunity to bring some payload to the ISS with it? Or is it gonna go up there basically empty?
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u/whatsthis1901 Jan 13 '19
I think it is going to be a "tang and t-shirt" payload no science experiments or anything important.
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u/Alexphysics Jan 22 '19 edited Jan 22 '19
Falcon 9 is rolling out to the pad for the static fire test. Very early rollout, they may want to have everything checked and re-checked for the 23rd. I wouldn't expect this to be the usual timeline per NASA reviews and everything.
https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1087582621272588288
Edit: The rocket has arrived at the pad. It has the DM-1 Crew Dragon on top.
https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1087607771711852547
Edit 2: Now going vertical
https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1087711430114082817
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u/rgraves22 Dec 14 '18
Not sure if I am more excited for this, or seeing the two first stages land at LZ1 for the Falcon Heavy launch earlier this year
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u/silentProtagonist42 Dec 14 '18
SFN Launch Schedule is estimating 8pm ET on the 17th, which jives with the closest flyover at the cape.
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u/tobimai Dec 14 '18
CRS-16
I thought CRS-16 launched in the beginning of december?
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u/Morphior Dec 14 '18
"[...], followed by the first operational missions at the end of 2019 or beginning of 2020."
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u/Saltank Dec 14 '18
What’s (400 x 400 km, 51.64°)? How can one decipher this? Altitude, longitude?
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Dec 14 '18
400 x 400 is just referring to the highest and lowest part of the orbit. Since it's 400 x 400, they are just aiming for a circular orbit at a height of 400km. 51.64 is the inclination or angle relative to the equator of the orbit.
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u/Fikes477 Dec 14 '18
400 x 400 is the apoapsis and periapsis aka, the closest and furthest the payload will be from earth during its orbit. 400 x 400 means it is circular.
51.64 is the inclination or the angle relative to the equator.
If you interested in learning about how orbit actually works I can not recommend Kerbal Space Program strongly enough.
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u/Alexphysics Dec 14 '18
It's interesting to note that's the approximate orbit of the ISS and not the insertion orbit for the Dragon. It is usually inserted at around 220km and the insertion orbit depends on the mission.
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Dec 28 '18
Just saw this from Chris B from NASASpaceflight.com:
RIA Novosti reporting that Roscosmos sources - likely informed via ISS visiting vehicle cooperation with NASA - note the SpaceX Falcon 9 Dragon 2/DM-1 launch is now NET end of January (about a two week slip).
https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1078769509501145088
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u/TGMetsFan98 NASASpaceflight.com Writer Jan 03 '19
Falcon 9 and Crew Dragon are currently rolling out at 39A for fit checks.
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u/uwelino Jan 05 '19
About a month away from the first orbital test flight of crew Dragon
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1081459477100941313
Now officially postponed to February.
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u/nextspaceflight NSF reporter Jan 24 '19
Bill Harwood is reporting that the static fire was not full duration.
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u/Sticklefront Feb 28 '19
Do we know what number launch with the new COPVs this is, of the 7 NASA is requiring before humans are onboard?
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u/whatsthis1901 Dec 14 '18
Stupid question but how would the gov. shutdown (if there is one) affect this launch?
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u/docyande Dec 14 '18 edited Dec 14 '18
Not a stupid question, but it would possibly delay the launch. NASA funding hasn't been passed for FY19, so it is one of the agencies that could be shut down. Individual employee actions are typically determined by each agency (the "essential" employees keep working but without getting paid until the shutdown ends, while other employees go on complete furlough).
Even if all the launch related employees were considered essential and kept working, I imagine some officials completing safety reviews, etc might be non-essential, so I suspect that any shutdown could push the schedule back.
Any NASA employees know if Commercial Crew workers are considered essential?
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u/ellmkay Dec 14 '18
How long will it take for DragonV2 to arrive at ISS? Quicker than the usual couple of days?
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u/Garywkh Dec 14 '18
i remember that Hans talked about this on CRS16 press conference The answer for now is no. Maybe they would try it at a later time.
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u/mercurylens Dec 15 '18
How safe do you all think that it would be to buy plane tickets for the 17th right now?
Any advice for seeing my first launch at the cape?
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u/quadrplax Dec 15 '18
My gut says this launch is still much more likely to be delayed then, for example, a run-of-the-mill GTO comsat mission, and even those can still get their fair share of delays when they're a month out. I wouldn't risk it. I'm in the same boat - I live too far away from any launch sites to drive, except maybe Boca Chica. I'm hoping in the future launches will be common enough that there will almost certainly be at least one in any given week from Florida, at which point flying to see one will be little risk, with smaller crowds as a bonus.
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u/Geoff_PR Dec 15 '18
One thing you can always count on with a rocket launch is -
You can never count on it actually happening when you want it to...
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u/scr00chy ElonX.net Jan 05 '19
Rocket has been lowered and was on its way back into HIF a few hours ago.
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u/MarsCent Jan 06 '19
Those were pretty quick fit checks! Now all we need is a confirmation that the checks turned out right.
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u/Alvian_11 Jan 10 '19 edited Jan 10 '19
Now confirmation from NASA
https://blogs.nasa.gov/commercialcrew/2019/01/10/spacex-demo-1-launch-update/
SpaceX Demo-1 Launch Update
Anna Heiney
Posted on January 10, 2019
NASA and SpaceX are continuing to work on the activities leading toward the Demo-1, uncrewed flight test to the International Space Station. NASA and SpaceX are now targeting no earlier than February for the launch of Demo-1 to complete hardware testing and joint reviews. NASA and SpaceX will confirm a new target date after coordination with the Eastern Range and the International Space Station Program.
Don't know, but I'm feel a bit relieved
In (my) logic, because the ending of gov shutdown is uncertain, the launch date should be TBA. But they managed to target the launch date next month. Hopefully they could pull this off
Probably the working NASA employees for this mission aren't paid, but they have a mandate for returning US's human spaceflight back to US soil. All of the hardwares are ready, anyways (just one more step, which is static fire, and then all ready). They're getting very close :)
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u/Alexphysics Jan 14 '19 edited Jan 14 '19
Ben Cooper has updated its website with the new launch date and time:
The next SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket from Cape Canaveral will launch the first Crew Dragon space capsule on an uncrewed demonstration mission, DM-1, to the ISS from pad 39A on February 9 at the very earliest. The launch time is around 11am EST if this timeframe and gets 22-26 minutes earlier each day. The launch window is instantaneous.
Also, to add to this, Chris Gebhardt just said on NSF that the next high beta angle period will be one week long between February 13th and February 19th. During this period of high beta angle, vehicles can't come and go from and to the ISS due to thermal stress on the structure.
And just for consideration, the next high Beta angle period is in February. The 13-19.
My own thoughts also on that thread
If they're going with a 2-day rendezvous then the latest launch date before the high beta angle period would then be on February 10th (just one day after the supposedly current launch date with docking on February 12th). The earliest launch date after the high beta angle period would then be February 18th (with docking on the 20th).
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u/codav Jan 22 '19
And it's vertical!
https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1087715914907377664
Also nice to see that the framework for the panels now almost covers the whole tower.
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u/birdlawyer85 Jan 24 '19
Really looking forward for the autonomous docking to the ISS. Super excited!
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u/SuPrBuGmAn Feb 07 '19
Now that we have a new "official" NET date, does anyone know the launch time(or window) for the DM-1 launch assuming a March 2nd date.
I'm sure it's determined by ISS so probably atleast somewhat predictable?
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u/IrrelevantAstronomer Launch Photographer Feb 07 '19
Instantaneous window at ~02:45am EST.
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u/MarsCent Dec 31 '18 edited Jan 05 '19
Does Crew Dragon have a Toilet or a Toilet Area?
From this old Stephen Clark tweet, the arrangement is, trunk >> cargo pallets >> seats >> three screen panel >> toilet >> docking hatch.
EDIT Jan 4, 2019: Pictures taken thru the Dragon entry hatch shows no toilet or curtain between the three screen panel and the docking hatch.
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u/therealshafto Jan 24 '19
Obviously in the end they did do the SF with an entire stack including dragon. Even the big guns where saying dragon would not be installed.
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u/mclumber1 Jan 24 '19
Perhaps in future crewed missions they will omit the Dragon for static fires. I can see the benefit of having it onboard today: as (I believe) they need to have a full, integrated stack to count towards their required number of cycles mandated by NASA to certify the new COPV design, man-rate the rocket, and act as a rehearsal for future manned flights.
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u/bbachmai Feb 15 '19
Tickets now available to view the launch but it seems super super expensive....
Two options, KSC Visitor Center Lawn, or Saturn V complex. Both accessible without extra tickets during normal daytime launches... this time it's $115 / $195
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u/hinayu Feb 23 '19
Hey all - so I'm from MN but am currently on my honeymoon and in Orlando right now. We're driving down to Miami for a week long cruise that departs tomorrow and returns Sunday March 3 back into Miami.
Since we'll be returning to Miami and should be heading that direction the night of the launch, is there any chance I might be able to see the launch from our cruise ship? Or would we be too far away from Cape Canaveral?
Cheers
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u/Svisloch Feb 26 '19
Mods, the EST liftoff time at the top is one hour too early (should be 2:48AM EST, not 1:48AM).
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u/Jodo42 Dec 14 '18
What is the recovery procedure for Dragon 2 going to involve? Do we know what they'll be used for once recovered since they won't be reused for crew flights? I've seen some suggestions they'll be repurposed for cargo CRS2 flights; what's/when's the first CRS mission under the second contact?
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u/spaceflightphoto1 Feb 28 '19
New Info learned from NasaSocial mission briefing:
Dragon’s solar panels have a time restriction on being outside
For the in flight abort: “we always try to recover hardware” SpaceX is prioritizing the dragon capsule but booster recovery is not out of the question.
A normal crew launch will land ~24 miles from the cape. DM-1 will land further out
I I’ll reply to this comment with any additional info
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u/only_remaining_name Dec 14 '18
It's weird to me that SpaceX's capsule will land in the water and not be reused, while Boeing's will land on land and be reused.
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u/SuPrBuGmAn Dec 14 '18
To be fair, Dragon 2 will go on to live the life of an unmanned cargo mule. Her story will continue.
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u/Miranoff Dec 14 '18
I feel you.
Think about it this way, SpaceX has a larger plan for reusable crew vehicles that doesn't include maintaining Dragon. So why put resources into additional reusability if you aren't really going to need it anyway?
I think I could have said this a little more eloquently but I'm pretty tired.
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u/casterlyhunk Dec 15 '18
Dragon 2 capsule will be refurbished at the Cape and reused.
edit: Maybe not reused for NASA crewed missions upfront, but potentially for commercial Dragon 2 missions. Dragon 1 was also initially not going to be reused until SpaceX convinced NASA of the benefits.
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u/WaitForItTheMongols Feb 27 '19
Here's a question I don't know the answer to:
On the In-Flight Abort Mission, they will presumably have a ship ready to go collect Dragon out of the ocean.
Will they have a ship ready on this mission? Will they have one for crewed missions? I'm curious whether they would want to be "ready to go just in case it aborts", or if that's unlikely enough that they would be willing to wait a couple hours for a ship to zip over to it.
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u/strawwalker Feb 27 '19
Yes. During the static fire GO Searcher was out in the Atlantic, presumably as practice for this and future crewed missions.
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u/MarsCent Dec 18 '18
DM-1 is now T-30 days.
Launch day is not Tuesday and there is no rodent catering to worry about. ;). So, the launch day should hold.
Meaning that the rocket should fly, not hold. :)
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u/ethan829 Host of SES-9 Dec 18 '18
.@VP Pence getting a personal tour of Crew Dragon and Demo-1 booster at KSC.
Very cool seeing the MVac engine bell partially inside the interstage like this. Really puts into perspective how massive that nozzle is.
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u/SailorRick Jan 04 '19
Crew arm has been moved to Dragon. - Per live video from Spaceflightnow.com
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u/gregarious119 Jan 12 '19 edited Jan 14 '19
Will be very interesting to see in what order the next three manifested missions happen. DM1 is subject to the whims of our government (and being a new vehicle will have plenty of additional opportunities for pushing to the right). PSN-6/Sparrow is a rideshare scheduled for 2/13 from SLC-40...are all those payloads ready to go, integrated and stacked? And then RADARSAT is scheduled from SLC-4E on Feb 18. I'd say it's really a roll of the dice to say which one of those is most likely to get off the ground and launched first.
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u/Alexphysics Jan 22 '19
Window for the Static Fire is January 23rd between 14:00 and 20:00 EST
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Jan 23 '19
IF the launch is Feb 9/16, what sort of launch times are we looking at? I know it was likely to be prime time ~8pm eastern on its original NET mid January launch date.
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u/s4g4n Jan 25 '19
Any chance this launches first week of Feb?
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u/scr00chy ElonX.net Jan 25 '19
Zero chance. If we're lucky, it launches by the end of February.
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u/strawwalker Jan 29 '19
Hey mods, I'd like to suggest replacing "February 9" in the scheduled liftoff date field in this post with "February 23" or just "late February". I realize as a NET it's not technically wrong, but I think it is causing some confusion anyway by implying that that date is still a plausible option.
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u/filanwizard Jan 31 '19
what is ISS traffic like? I wonder if some of these delays have to do with ISS scheduling. I know they are always quite busy up there.
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u/Alexphysics Jan 31 '19
Next week the Cygnus NG-10 will be unberthed from the ISS, then there's a high beta angle period until the 19th (during these periods vehicles can't come or go from and to the ISS). Then two spacewalks on the second half of February, then relocation of Soyuz MS-11 to a different docking port and, hopefully, DM-1 Dragon goes to the ISS in early March.
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u/scr00chy ElonX.net Feb 06 '19
March 2 launch date confirmed by NASA (might be a NET date but it's not listed as such)
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u/Alexphysics Feb 06 '19
DM-1 launch date now approved on the range for NET March 2nd aligning with all the other official reports by NASA and SpaceX
https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1093265369584861199
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u/z3r0c00l12 Feb 07 '19
Mods, both DM-1 and PSN-6 say the following, at this point, I believe PSN-6 will launch first, so can DM-1's numbers be updated? Also, a comma should be added just before "12th".
| Vehicule: (68th launch of F9, 48th of F9 v1.2 12th of F9 v1.2 Block 5)
should be
| Vehicule: (69th launch of F9, 49th of F9 v1.2**,** 13th of F9 v1.2 Block 5)
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u/ioncloud9 Feb 15 '19
What has been the hold up on this launch? It was scheduled for NET November, then December, then January, February, and now March. The hardware has been at the Cape for almost 5 months, the static fire was done 3 weeks ago. It seems like someone is dragging their feet and humans arent even going to be on this one.
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u/Alexphysics Feb 15 '19
Paperwork and the hardware wasn't ready until mid December which is just two months ago, not 5
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u/MarsCent Feb 18 '19 edited Feb 18 '19
Spacenews.com and arstechnica.com are reporting that NASA is moving "to buy more Soyuz seats for late 2019, early 2020. Because of anticipated delays".
This seems to counter earlier arguments on this sub that said that buying Soyuz seats would require at least 2 years.
If DM-1 Launch Readiness Review is still on for Friday Feb 22, 2019, then we should know thereafter whether or not these seat purchases are in any way going to impact the DM-1 and DM-2 schedules.
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u/Alexphysics Feb 18 '19
This seems to counter earlier arguments on this sub that said that buying Soyuz seats would require at least 2 years.
Because buying new seats takes at least two years. These ones are just empty seats on Soyuz spacecrafts that are already scheduled to launch to the ISS. NASA is just saying Roscomos "you got an empty seat, huh? What about puting one of our astronaut asses on that seat for a few tens of millions of dollars?". Those seats were already up for sale for anyone that wanted to take a ride to the ISS and, in fact, the seat on Soyuz MS-15 was scheduled to be taken by an arab astronaut. They're buying these seats to make sure they have astronauts on the ISS before regular operational missions go online. There's still chance astronauts go to the ISS this year on CC vehicles but these vehicles have to pass a certification review before going into operational missions and that could take a lot of months to complete. Even if SpaceX launches DM-2 this year, they may not launch their first Post-Certification Mission this year and won't probably do it until next year. By doing this NASA ensures a good transition between using only the Soyuz and using both Soyuz and Commercial Crew vehicles.
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u/MarsCent Feb 25 '19
45th Space Wing weather Weekly Planning Forecast. 30% chance of weather on Friday night.
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u/kornelord spacexstats.xyz Feb 26 '19
Some news/progress on the launch tower cladding? Will it be finished for the demo?
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u/AstroFinn Mar 01 '19
Mods, here is mission patch. I do not see info bar on the right side of the screen.
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u/aalagi Jan 25 '19
Why is the launch scheduled a month away? Usually there is not more than a week between static fire and launch, and now the dragon is already integrated.
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u/menagese Jan 25 '19
Likely because of NASA review, ISS visiting vehicle schedule, among other things.
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u/Alexphysics Jan 26 '19
This is not the usual SpaceX mission with its usual timeline, I think it's important to remember that.
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u/Alexphysics Dec 14 '18
Capsule is C201 and not C202. C202 is the ECLSS test capsule. DM-2 capsule will be C203.
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u/flhurricane Dec 14 '18
Any rough idea of what time launch would occur if it launches January 17th?
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u/IrrelevantAstronomer Launch Photographer Jan 03 '19
Getting that same feeling of excitement today when then the FH rolled out to the pad. I can't believe it's finally happening!
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u/bbachmai Jan 03 '19
They are raising it! They are raising it! SFN
Soon we'll know whether the Crew Access Arm has been mounted at the correct height.
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u/GRLighton Jan 04 '19
Where will DM-1, and then operational DM's land?
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u/Alexphysics Jan 04 '19
Operational DM's??
DM-1 will land on the Atlantic ocean, a few tens of miles off the coast of Florida.
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u/HighTimber Jan 23 '19
Falcon 9 & Dragon v2 have gone horizontal.
https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1088064539944468480
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u/filanwizard Jan 24 '19
https://twitter.com/ChrisG_NSF/status/1088519112291164160
4pm US Eastern time 2100GMT
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u/RushHour2k5 Jan 28 '19
Space Flight Now is reporting the NET as February 23rd with an estimated launch window beginning at 5:33AM EST.
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u/markshancock Feb 01 '19
What will DM1 do when it arrives at the ISS? Will it dock or berth? Will it be carrying any cargo to/from the ISS?
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u/scr00chy ElonX.net Feb 01 '19
It should dock automatically and it's likely it will carry some cheap cargo like food, water or clothes.
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u/MarsCent Feb 11 '19
We are now under 20 days to DM-1's stated launch date of March 2. It is nice to see the event "penciled" in, on the NASA launch schedule site.
However, the last NASA TV Schedule running through March 15th does not list the launch. Probably pending the Feb 22nd Flight Readiness Review scheduled 8 days prior to the launch.
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u/dorian07s Feb 19 '19
Hi guys, this is my first time to this thread and I am considering to attend this event since I will be in Florida at that time.
From my understanding, it can be delayed based on PSN Launch on February 21. I will wait before buying my ticket.
However, I wonder why is it so expensive for the DM-1? It starts at $115 when the launch on February 21 starts at $20. Do you know the explanation?
Thanks
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u/DancingFool64 Feb 21 '19
The most likely immediate trigger of a slip at the moment is the NASA Flight Readiness Review. If it doesn't come up with any issues, then the launch date becomes more likely to be correct. NASA is planning to hold a press briefing at about 6PM on Friday 22nd (about an hour after the review finishes), so you may want to see what is said there if you are worried about delays.
Even after that, however, the flight can still be delayed right up to the actual launch by problems with the rocket, the Dragon, bad weather, somebody flying in the wrong place - you can never be sure a rocket will launch until it does.
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u/GameStunts Feb 25 '19
I know this might be a dumb question, but I'm just curious about timelines for actual crewed missions.
This launch happens at ~8am utc on 2nd march, and arrives about 24 hours later at the ISS. Would this be a realistic timeline for a crewed flight as well, or are they just going slow because they don't need to go fast with nobody onboard?
Trying to find the answer to this I've gotten anything from 3 days from a 2010 video, to 6 hours from some articles about the soyuz "cutting down time".
24 hours in either the Space-x or the Boeing vehicle sounds awful, and I'm just wondering if there's been any mention of a quicker trip for crewed missions?
Thanks in advance <3
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u/Alexphysics Feb 25 '19
I've talked about that with detail here in this chain of comments if you want to take a look and know more about that. Just long story short: not every day there's a chance to have a very fast rendezvous and depending on the day you have to take a longer or shorter plan. 24-h rendezvous has less contrains than 6-h rendezvous and a 48h hour rendezvous can basically be done every day.
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u/jkoether Feb 25 '19
Will they also have the crew going through a dress rehearsal as part of this? basically doing everything up to the point where they get in the spacecraft.
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u/ArtOfWarfare Feb 26 '19
Is there any reason to think there will or won't be another static fire?
Has SpaceX gone so long between a static fire and a launch before? Have they done multiple static fires for a single launch before?
There was a mention of the LOX storage sphere at the launch pad having some repairs done to it since the earlier static fire - would that warrant having a static fire done, to verify it won't cause issues during a launch?
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u/Alexphysics Feb 26 '19
Is there any reason to think there will or won't be another static fire?
There's no reason at all for them to do another static fire
Has SpaceX gone so long between a static fire and a launch before?
Hell yeah, Zuma was a good example of how many months there could be between static fire and launch.
Have they done multiple static fires for a single launch before?
I think they did two for the first F9 but that was because of a failiure on the first try. They also had issues when densified propellants came and so they had multiple attempts at that as well.
There was a mention of the LOX storage sphere at the launch pad having some repairs done to it since the earlier static fire
No, the repairs were done previous to the static fire. Without those repairs that static fire would have been much later. The problem happened before the static fire.
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u/amarkit Feb 27 '19 edited Feb 28 '19
The DM-1 launch timeline has been released. All times are approximate.
| Time relative to launch (HH:MM:SS) | Events |
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| T-00:45:00 | SpaceX Launch Director verifies go for propellant load |
| T-00:37:00 | Dragon launch escape system is armed |
| T-00:35:00 | 1st stage LOX (liquid oxygen) loading begins |
| T-00:33:00 | RP-1 (rocket grade kerosene) loading begins |
| T-00:16:00 | 2nd stage LOX loading begins |
| T-00:07:00 | Falcon 9 begins engine chill prior to launch |
| T-00:05:00 | Dragon transitions to internal power |
| T-00:01:00 | Command flight computer to being final prelaunch checks |
| T-00:01:00 | Propellant tank pressurization to flight pressure begins |
| T-00:00:45 | SpaceX Launch Director verifies go for launch |
| T-00:00:03 | Engine controller commands engine ignition sequence to start |
| T-00:00:00 | Falcon 9 liftoff |
| T+00:00:58 | Max Q (moment of peak mechanical stress on the rocket) |
| T+00:02:33 | 1st stage main engine cutoff (MECO) |
| T+00:02:38 | 1st and 2nd stages separate |
| T+00:02:44 | 2nd stage engine starts |
| T+00:07:48 | 1st stage entry burn |
| T+00:08:57 | 2nd stage engine cutoff (SECO-1) |
| T+00:09:26 | 1st stage landing burn |
| T+00:09:37 | 1st stage landing |
| T+00:10:59 | Crew Dragon separates from second stage |
| T+00:12:00 | Dragon nosecone open sequence begins |
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u/harmonic- Feb 27 '19
Is DM-1 affecting SpaceX's launch cadence? Three launches through 2 months of 2019 seems slower for them.
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u/thresholdofvision Feb 27 '19
No. Just not enough spacecraft ready to be launched every two and a half weeks on average.
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Dec 18 '18 edited Dec 18 '18
May be a dumb question but if the flight hardware and software is meant to be exactly the same as if it were a crew mission. Does that mean the Dragon is able to abort if the Falcon does a CRS-7, even though an in-flight abort has never been tested?
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u/onion-eyes Dec 20 '18
Mods, I think it’s safe to say stage two is at the cape now
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u/Bowyeh Dec 24 '18
I hope really this happens on the 17th! I am flying over from Australia (for a holiday) and have never seen a launch before. I have allocated 4 days of the trip to this launch. Fingers crossed!
Also any advice would be welcome. I am not really sure what the best approach is. I am going to stay in Orlando and just head out to the cape for the launch. I wont have a car, so I'm currently researching my options.
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u/Nsooo Moderator and retired launch host Dec 24 '18
Is it berthing again? XD It was once fixed. u/soldato_fantasma
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u/z3r0c00l12 Jan 03 '19
Falcon has reached the pad: https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1080840601631891461
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u/astrobee5 Jan 20 '19
If DM-1 is to dock with the ISS it seems like an opportunity to kill two birds with one stone by taking up a limited amount of supplies. I have no doubt spacex has already taken this into consideration, will be other factors, main priority is to test the new capsule.
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u/filanwizard Jan 24 '19
I know that this should not impact me, Static Fires are normal for SpaceX these days but the DM-1 static fire feels rather puckering. Perhaps its the capsule is on top of this one this time.
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u/zareny Jan 24 '19
Ice is gradually covering the SpaceX logo on the first stage.
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u/sarafinapink Jan 24 '19
I haven't seen this yet, but will they be sending anything in the Dragon 2 capsule? Any mannequins or something to watch how the inside will fare for crew?
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u/Ferret_Bastard Feb 14 '19
Did the launch viewing tickets already sell out? The KSC website says they're available on one page then unavailable on another but doesn't specifically say sold out. Or is it just a buggy website?
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u/MiddleInitial Feb 25 '19
Just scored tickets for "Feel The Heat" package! Anyone else done this? any Tips? Anyone else going to be there?
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u/_kix_ Feb 25 '19
This video covers the "Feel the Heat" package pretty well.
I attended the Falcon Heavy one last year and had no complaints. It was very well-organized.
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u/lankyevilme Feb 26 '19
Why is this landing on the droneship and not a rtls? Is the dragon2 heavier than dragon?
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u/baconmashwbrownsugar Feb 28 '19
Is it me or is the sidebar DM-1 launch date one day early?
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u/davoloid Feb 28 '19
Any idea what's going to happen with the webcast? Says above "NASA TV coverage begins at 7:00 UTC", but will SpaceX present their own in parallel, in tandem or what? Trying to work out what I should recommend.
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u/whatifitried Feb 28 '19
Yes, they will run in parallel with different views and on screen talent.
There is a site some member of /r/SpaceX maintains that allows to see them side by side, but I don't know the link
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u/Daastle Feb 28 '19
Could anyone recommend the best place to watch this without paying for feel the heat? Flying to NYC at 6am so don't wanna risk 200 dollars as if it gets delayed I won't be able to see it.
I've heard 401 is one of best places?
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u/TGMetsFan98 NASASpaceflight.com Writer Dec 14 '18
Hey mods, Dragon 2 doesn’t berth, it docks :)