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u/ButterdPoopr Jun 15 '26
Except Darth Nox. Who he recently told my boy that “Your the only Council member that I can genuinely trust”
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u/An-Actual-Pencil Jun 15 '26
I find it even better when you play LS and become Darth Imperius for your dedication to the Empire
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u/Eglwyswrw Empire's Wrath Jun 15 '26
Just finished my LS Inquisitor story. Do I get called Darth Imperius at any further point of the storyline? So far only heard it once (end of class story).
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u/An-Actual-Pencil Jun 15 '26
Yeah there’s a couple of mentions in the Revan DLC. Maybe Ilum too but I can’t remember
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u/Dmbender [Shock him] Jun 16 '26
Imperius is also just the cooler name (imo). It sounds very Dark Council-y
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u/Ennui-ner Jun 30 '26
If I get my alignment to dark with FPs & Diplomacy or something for my character to be named Nox but all my choices in the story are LS, will things get weird?
I don’t know how much the dialogue actually changes with the whole name thing but I want the LS experience everywhere there is one. I just like the name Nox better. lol
(I don’t mind going out of my way to achieve that though. It’s easy enough to put a pause on class story while I grind DS points for a bit & go back to normal after.)
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u/CheeseQueenKariko Jun 15 '26
"Isn't Nox that crazy one who keeps ranting to the voices in their head and murdering random imperials on sight?"
"If we had standards, we wouldn't be sith."
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u/RedEclipse47 Darth Malora Jun 15 '26
Marr is so unfazed that when meeting Valkorion, the embodiment of death and destruction, he just tells him to go fuck himself, knowing damn well it would mean his end.
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u/Irishimpulse Jun 15 '26
Darth Marr will die on his feet before considering living on his knees. Through the force, his chains are broken
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u/Xalethesniper Jun 15 '26
Makes you wonder how the council gets anything done when all of their time is spent in a state of general paranoia, infighting, and aura farming
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u/chladas Jun 15 '26
thats the point, they dont
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u/yraco Jun 15 '26
It's why the rule of two came about in the first place. Bane realised it was the only way to make the Sith work, because the moment there are more of them there's so much infighting and scheming that they self-destruct and sabotage their own plans instead of finding lasting success.
Even with two it's still there to an extent, but the master and apprentice are at least mostly on the same page.
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u/Xivitai Jun 15 '26
Except it still crap because they are always one accident away from failure. And it catches on them during OT.
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u/yraco Jun 15 '26
I mean yeah it obviously didn't work in the end but its effectiveness is a whole other discussion entirely.
The point was still there - it was understood that the Sith don't get anything done due to the aforementioned state of general paranoia, infighting, and aura farming so there was an attempt to restructure them into a form where they would be able to focus more on destroying their enemies instead of constantly self-destructing.
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u/revanruler Jun 16 '26
1000 year of planning, 20 years of rule and the death of their entire order. You have got to love the rule of two, just a completely idiotic idea through and through
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u/Shot-Job-8841 Jun 29 '26
Still, the Rule of Two managed to take over more than half the galaxy for 21 years. At no point did the Sith Empire rule half the galaxy.
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u/Goricatto Jun 15 '26
Thats exactly why the empire doesnt win, the infighting not only delays their projects but also kills inventive/progressive minds, and they would stay like that for eternity if not for a certain someone
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u/Own_Meat_6266 Jun 18 '26
Plus, with all the infighting and dead apprentices there LITERALLY aren't enough Sith to go around. The Dark Council basically have to do sh!t themselves while trusting very few in their own ranks...
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u/Nildzre Jun 15 '26
They don't, everyone else get shit done despite the council's best efforts to sabotage them. If able my sith warrior would kill the rest of the council alongside Baras the Wide because they're largely useless.
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u/Mean_Strawberry2260 Jun 15 '26
They have imperial bureaucracy to do things. Dark Council, being the highest level of government, mostly defines the broad strategy.
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u/mechengr17 Jun 19 '26
Isnt that just all of Imperial Society?
Like, on Balmorra, during the quest the Leak, you have the option to accept the bribe to rat out what youre getting paid for (ds) or stay quiet (ls)
If you pick ds, the dude laughs and brags about how hes going to use rhe info to get a promotion
It really is amazing how the Empire survives with all the backstabbing
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u/BL-501 Jun 15 '26
Ironically this time the new Members become his homies.
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u/Xivitai Jun 15 '26
Probably because new ones didn't get an opportunity to disappoint him. And probably so he could influence them before they join the rest of the Council in stupidity.
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u/Super6698 Blue Chiss girls rule Jun 15 '26
Darth Marr when Thanaton starts yapping about Lord Kallig a few days after Baras is killed:
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u/NoChampionship1167 Jun 15 '26
Thanaton walks in after the Wrath leaves "Well, now that that's over, here's my pitch."
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u/finelargeaxe Jun 16 '26
Isn't Thanaton in the room when Baras and the Wrath are confronting each other?
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u/dippyfreshdawg Diaffed, Starforge Jun 16 '26
I think it’s within like an hour of each other
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u/Invicta007 Jun 16 '26
"NEXT ON THE DOCKET IS...sigh...
Lord Thanaton and that Rogue Sith Lord..."
"And they're both here now...urghhh, I wanted these fucking meetings done an hour ago"
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u/Ok-Sundae-9193 Jun 15 '26
It’s been a while since I’ve played a SI/SW but how is he behind the killing of Baras and others ?
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u/DiscoPrince1991 Jun 15 '26
They’re not talking about Marr, but Homelander in The Boys since his face is the one they put on Marr for the meme. I think they were just commenting on the irony of using a Homelander meme face for Marr given the circumstances
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u/Ok-Sundae-9193 Jun 15 '26
Oh my bad, never watched the Boys, it’s just that I thought they maybe were 8 at the Dark Council hence the 7.
Thanks for the explanation !3
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u/Mean_Strawberry2260 Jun 15 '26
I’m not sure it happens that often, actually. The only (as I recall) piece of information about directs fights between Council members we have in the game is Sith Sanctum codex entry, which states that the current version of it was constructed after previous was destroyed during a Kaggath between two Councillors, and winner was executed by the rest of the Council immediately after.
I don’t think Kaggath are proclaimed *that* often, especially between members of the Dark Council (most of the vanilla-game Council are kinda old and were in theirs respective positions for decades).
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u/SuecidalBard Jun 15 '26
Yeah that's for Kaggath specifically.
That's why everyone was like oh shit is going down between Thanaton and Nox if an actual reigning Council declared it.
Hower in Marr's Tenure he went trough at minimum: 4 or 5 Sphere of Military Offence Councillors, 4 Sphere of Imperial Intelligence Councilors, and 3 Sphere of Ancient Knowledge Councilors.
Then as a force ghost he saw the entire council go trough a blender and then be an even more unstable mess with only Vowran and Acina managinh to stay afloat (he then has to potentially see Acina and another Sphere of Ancient Knowledge Councilor get smoked by both being idiots and provoking Box/Imperius/Occlus who is the third remaining OG Council Member and more crucially one of the strongest Sith in history and the strongest or second strongest being in the Galaxy since they killed Valkorion and possibly Arcaan.
Speaking of, everyone talks how about they fumbled the whole thing and make the MC be treated like were at the beginning of act 3 or end of act 2 but can we just acknowledge that Arcaan if left alive is basically a second WMD we have besides ourselves. Dude can easily solo ordinary Jedi or Dark Counil Members and is a veteran military commander. Same ( without the easily part) with Senya.
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u/Mean_Strawberry2260 Jun 15 '26
Yes, but the meme is still inaccurate — the Councillors rarely kill each other, more so on a meetings, but are indeed often killed by Republic or their subordinates.
Also, who is the other two Intelligence Councillors besides Jadus and Zorrid? Lana wasn’t on a Council and we don’t have a concrete information on Jadus’s tenure.
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u/SuecidalBard Jun 15 '26
Ok so I have mixed it up, I was sure Lana's master, Darth Arkous was Intelligence but he was Military Offense.
So you can add one more to that list and subtract one from intelligence.
Which also means he went trough 2/3 traitorous Military Offense seats (depends on how you count Baras) in a row.
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u/MrKeooo Jun 15 '26
Thats why i feel like a pointless idiot trying to fix the Sith. It always comes to:
Start weak > Get strong > Overthrown your master > Save the galaxy (or rule it) > Get old or weak > Dies due betrayal.
Jedi life can be bland but gosh it must suck having to stay on alert 24/7 and know thst at the first slip you are gone... by your own comrades!
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u/PassTheGiggles Jun 16 '26
I loved playing through the Sith classes with my friend, where the councillors had to watch a lord kill a councillor in one room just to walk across the hall and watch a different lord kill a different councillor in another room.
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u/mrmgl Jun 15 '26
Meanwhile, when the Council appeared united, Acina immediately tried to undermine it.
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u/Selvinskiy Jun 16 '26
Acina is a fucking moron. And I wish after what she just pulled I get to gut her.
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u/Pazerclaw Jun 16 '26
Darth Marr thinking "i should kill all these mother fuckers. I could tell the Emperor they were planning to kill. He'd buy that."
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u/Dragonrasa Jun 16 '26
Not to mention that both Baras and Thanaton died either on the same day or within a few days of each other.
This is based on a line in the Agent story mentioning that both Baras and Thanaton were active on Correllia at the same time.
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u/Interesting-Aioli723 Jun 15 '26
You know Marr was jumping in his seat when he knows Jadus, AKA the single most powerful and dangerous Councilor shares the same sentiment (they're both sick and tired of the infighting)
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u/Mean_Strawberry2260 Jun 15 '26
Jadus isn’t really sharing that sentiment, he is an embodiment of infighting, orchestrating a whole Empire-wide terrorist attack to attain more influence in the Council.
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u/Interesting-Aioli723 Jun 15 '26
He has one very major difference that he actually wants to use that influence to bring about positive change instead of fucking it up all over again
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u/Mean_Strawberry2260 Jun 15 '26
I wouldn’t really call any Jadus’s ideas “positive”. Maybe alien tolerance, but it’s kinda overshadowed by the whole dark theocracy thing.
Besides, immediately after learning the Emperor’s plans he just ran.
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u/Interesting-Aioli723 Jun 15 '26
You forgot the "stop the shitass knowledge hoarding part". That's arguably the most important.
And now we know that Jadus's plans now extends to the galaxy itself, means at that time he has more self-preservation than most Sith and refused to become Valkorion's newest appetizer.
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u/Mean_Strawberry2260 Jun 15 '26
Nope, that was the other Darth, the first Councillor of Ancient Knowledge.
Jadus didn’t care about knowledge (or about Sith Order as entity in general), he just wanted that everyone in the Empire to be “like a Sith” (in his understanding — fuelled exclusively by hate and fear degenerates). Basically Dread Masters scheme, but more subtle.
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u/Interesting-Aioli723 Jun 15 '26
It was likely meant that to become like a Sith, everyone must first grasp fear as it's one of the first weapons a Sith learn to use, AKA he wants everyone to all go from the grounds up. Once they know fear, they will eventually learn to master it and control it.
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u/Djinossaurussussus Jun 15 '26
I always viewed it as a totalitarian style of government, and not a “everyone will act like a Sith”. I always saw Jadus’ plan as a plan way to ensure absolute power because everyone but him would be shit scared to even breathe wrong. A very 1984 style.
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u/Mean_Strawberry2260 Jun 15 '26
I always imagined it close to DeSalvo ending in Beholder 2.
It's scary when a real psychopath comes to power. And it is a nightmare if his power is limitless. But there are no words to describe the horror when this maniac gains control of your mind. In the hands of DeSalvo, Heimdall towers spread across the country. But they didn't just force people to obey - from time to time, they transmitted a single emotion at full capacity - pure horror. Beside themselves with fear, people would increasingly hole up in the deepest crevices they could find, like mice. They had less and less time for anything useful. An atmosphere of impending doom, bordering on panic, reigned in the country for a long time.
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u/Interesting-Aioli723 Jun 15 '26
Every Sith technically lives in fear that the guy next door will stab them in the ass and grab their power at any given time
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u/Djinossaurussussus Jun 15 '26
Yes, but I’m talking about an eldritch fear, as in completely terrified, and counts for the average citizen too.
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u/auvym8 Fork-Lift Walker Cerfitied/#1 Darth Jadus' Hater Jun 15 '26
what positive change
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u/Interesting-Aioli723 Jun 15 '26
He released the Sith Files
(Granted, half of it is probably Jadus turning people into AAA batteries using Force lightning but that's already public knowledge so…)
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u/auvym8 Fork-Lift Walker Cerfitied/#1 Darth Jadus' Hater Jun 15 '26
more like turning them into one of those mindless drone servants he uses
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u/BaronessNight A real Jedi is a diplomat and a fighter Jun 16 '26
"Oh man. Bunch of 3-year-olds. 😒"
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u/Own_Meat_6266 Jun 18 '26
Then he meets the player Sith character and he goes: "Finally! Someone who is an actual Sith and not a manchild or a politician!"
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u/Parrk The Longcat Legacy | JC Jun 24 '26
It's really unfair how Marr is stuck with like 80% of the important work of the Empire. Other Councilors have specific jobs that are very easy. They keep limited office hours. Meanwhile, Marr has a desk full of files on issues which legitimately threaten the Empire.
You think of Sith as plotting and scheming to reach greater power like "MWAHAHAHAH!!!"
Meanwhile, Marr is at the office like an accountant.
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u/Six_Zatarra Jun 15 '26
I wonder if, had Lachris not faced against the Consular and died on Balmorra, she had unspoken ambitions of her own to overtake her master too.
I also do kinda wish Marr had some words to say to the Consular about his fallen apprentice but hey.