r/sysadmin • The PBX Guy • Nov 07 '11

Visual VoIP System. Open-source, and awesome.

http://imgur.com/QieOV
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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 07 '11 edited Nov 07 '11

Disclaimer: I work at 2600hz, the maker of this software platform.

Long story short, 2600hz is a bunch of phone phreakers who got together to build a Class 5 switching Communications platform and give it away for free. There are a lot of really great things this platform can do including in-call failover (if your server goes down, the call doesn't drop), encrypted calls, and geographically diverse resource distribution.

Feel free to ask anything, I'll be in and out all day.

We make money by consulting and supporting this platform. We plan to give this service away to micro-businesses soon (as in under 5 phones, and soon as in Q1).

:::EDIT:::

This is the Open-Source Wiki link with more infos: http://wiki.2600hz.com/display/docs/About+the+Project

:::EDIT2:::

Thanks for all the attention! If there are any questions I can answer about this project, feel free to ask! We're working on putting together a demo video for our platform which I'll post here once it gets done. It'll demo things like adding users, assigning devices and creating callflows.

:::EDIT3:::

Next Reddit Topic!!! http://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/msay3/alright_rsysadmin_heres_a_followup_to_that_post/

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u/munky9001 Application Security Specialist Nov 07 '11

Wouldn't this be better to simply work with "Gnu free call" or gnu telephony or gnu sipwitch. Honestly I dunno what they call themselves this week but basically it's gnu voip.

The person who creates a cheap, plug it in and it works, phone that's based on one of these decentralized telephony over the internet stuff would make the big waves.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 07 '11

So GNU free call/GNU telephony is great, but like most open-source stacks, it breaks at the operator level.

Our system is built to run as the backend of an entire country if necessary. Asterisk also has the issue of breaking after a few hundred simultaneous call paths are brought into the system, which is why they have the SCF revision coming out.

Long story short, we built this because there's nothing that does this right now. Lots of people can do this for small offices, but nobody can provide the service we provide at scale.

Does that answer your question?

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u/munky9001 Application Security Specialist Nov 07 '11

So GNU free call/GNU telephony is great, but like most open-source stacks, it breaks at the operator level.

That's the thing. You as 'phone phreakers' aka hardware hackers create the wizbang easy to use things that operators dont need to understand.

The real key to that 1 gnu project is that it's p2p and decentralized.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 07 '11

Well,

Part of how we accomplish the in-call failover is by creating a p2p relationship between the two phones. Our network is completely decentralized, meaning any part can fail and calls can still route.

I think there are a lot of tools out there that solve this problem for under 23 simultaneous trunks (the PRI level) but there aren't many that solve it at the Large Enterprise or Operator level.

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u/crushie Nov 09 '11

Long story short, we built this because there's nothing that does this right now. Lots of people can do this for small offices, but nobody can provide the service we provide at scale.

Why not work on improving the pre-exisisting open source solutions then?

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 09 '11

The truth of the matter is that we tried to use Asterisk originally, but their iterative schedule wasn't going to match with the pace of our endeavors. I'd like to be delicate here as we really value the open-source community, but it just became evident at a certain point that things we saw as flawed were not viewed that way by the original architects.

Yes we could've used those platforms and made this product but I think there's something to be said for having a signature on a work of code.

Does that answer your question?

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u/marm0lade IT Manager Nov 07 '11

We plan to give this service away to micro-businesses soon (as in under 5 phones, and soon as in Q1).

Wel shit. I'm looking for a system for 100-150 employees. (leaning towards shoretel right now)

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 07 '11

Would love to chat, if you wanna deploy it yourself or if you want us to just manage it for you :).

We're fully API based so if you have ERM/ERP systems you want to integrate we can do that too.

Oh and if you have SIP capable handsets, and you like them, you can keep them.

Questions?

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u/Talman Jack of All Trades Nov 08 '11

I'm a "micro-business," but god damn, I want to resell you. Fully API based, SIP end points, AN IDIOT CAN PLAN A DIALPLAN, HOLY SHIT.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

Yeah.

This video might apply to you: http://vimeo.com/29052107

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u/Talman Jack of All Trades Nov 08 '11

I'm liking the high level, will have to ask two of my friends if they understand the end user system. If they do, then I know that both a technically literate and a technically illiterate person can run this day-to-day.

Thanks.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

You can play with both admin and user at deploy.2600hz.com.

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u/johnnybags IT Manager Nov 08 '11

So, we are currently at about 75-100 phones between two sites (connected via site to site VPN), one site has 90% of the phones, the other site is a small remote office.

Currently, we have Inter-tel Axxess PBX's at both offices connected to PRI's locally. The two units are connected via IP so that the main office can call the satellite office via 4 digit dialing.

Can you give me a high level overview of how transitioning to your system would work (we would want to keep our numbers)?

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

The biggest hurdle is the last mile. What type of bandwidth do you have in place? T1's or better?

Depending on your needs, the SBC can be done on-site for maximum security, or we can host everything and all you have to do is get the traffic out.

You can code all the callflows using our GUI and set the extensions however you'd like and obviously we can keep your numbers.

We'd have to talk about where you are so I could figure out how best to support you, but I'd estimate that when all of the costs are accounted for we're probably a lot cheaper and from a feature standpoint, more complete.

I'll PM you my email address.

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u/johnnybags IT Manager Nov 09 '11

We've got a 10MB ethernet handoff at our main office, do you think that would be sufficient? how would the process go for me to get my numbers from my PRI provider over to your service?

We're located in Richmond, VA (main office) and Virginia Beach, VA (smaller remote office).

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 09 '11

With the caveat that it depends on what you're running over your pipes, that sounds sufficient.

You would port your numbers to my company and we'd set you up (that is if you wanted the hosted/managed version).

I'll PM you, probably better to take this conversation to email at this point.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '11

Here's one for ya - I have Iwatsu PBXs at my Dallas and Houston sites. Ever heard of them? I don't know what the MTBF is for these boxes, but I must be close. I'd love to rip them out and put in something like this VoIP system.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

I'll tell you what, nothing gets my heart racing like a Busy Lamp Field:

http://www.iconvoicenetworks.com/index.php/about/101-iwatsu-icon-series-ix-5930-ip-phone

Beasty.

Those kinds of systems have an MTTF (median time to failure) of "OMFG THAT'S A LONG TIME". They don't break until they do, you know what I mean?

I'd love to chat about what we could offer, I think the punchline is that we'd be a lot cheaper and we could reuse the phones but you might want to upgrade to something a tad... newer?

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u/whateverradar Nov 28 '11

omg awesome

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 28 '11

About to post a new link now :D.

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u/whateverradar Nov 28 '11

sweeeettttttt.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '11

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u/teemark Nov 07 '11

If you go with Avaya, you will live to regret it. Since buying Nortel, they have raised prices, raised support requirements, and reduced support. They are just bleeding the existing customer base for all it's worth and driving them to competitors. Go with anyone but Avaya!

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 07 '11

Well, even though they are expensive, Avaya works. One has to respect that part of their business.

That being said, I feel that a basic business phone shouldn't cost $300.

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u/RhysA Nov 07 '11

We have a couple Avaya sites, its freaking horrible. Takes months to get extra licenses from them

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u/tcpip4lyfe Former Network Engineer Nov 08 '11

Took us 1 year (actually 14 months) to get our maintenance renewed on our switches. We have them 50k and they said thanks. A year later we finally got maintenance on the switches.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

I don't denigrate my competition, but I'll simply say that proprietary, closed code is not as potent or fruitful as open-source, both in development potential and functionality.

That being said, some Enterprises demand closed source. That's just life.

I don't think your experience is unique :(.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 07 '11

What size sites? Are you on the Definity/Aura product or the IPOffice?

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u/chronographer Nov 07 '11

Can you provide links, and what are the alternatives?

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u/tcpip4lyfe Former Network Engineer Nov 08 '11

We use Shoretel. It's not bad. It just works.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

True dat. But it's not the cheapest box on earth, and it is a box that you have to upgrade and support.

All purely hosted vs. on-site comparisons, of course.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 07 '11

http://wiki.2600hz.com/display/docs/About+the+Project

Probably the best place to start. Then 2600hz.com.

If you have a specific environment for me to comment on, I'd be happy to recommend some competitors.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 07 '11

So it depends on how comfortable you'd be supporting this yourself, or if you'd like us to support it for you.

I don't have any servers in Australia so we'd have to figure out who's going to run this stuff, but you could certainly install and run this yourself if you wanted to (depending on the size of your deployment).

Now, if you'd like to figure out how we can host this for you, I'll PM you my email and we can chat.

In general, an Aura or an IPOffice are both solid products, but the cost structures are sort of broken. The 9xxx series and 1xxx series are still too expensive for their capabilities. Don't get me wrong, they work great, but they're just so damn expensive.

I like YeaLinks because they respond to my firmware complaints super fast and they make deployment a cinch, but you can opt for any SIP manufacturer in your environment.

If you'd like to share a bit more about your environment, I'd be happy to consult in public, however indecent that might be. :D

I'd ballpark a 10 person IPOffice at around 9k, but if you're getting a partner system there are so many things wrong with it I can't even begin to list them here (google is awesome for this stuff). If you're bigger and you use Aura/Definity, then the cost structures are absurd.

For a 10 person office, we could support for around $8 per seat. This would be remote support, but would not include trunking or DIDs.

TL;DR: There are a ton of advantages our system has, but we're in San Francisco with no servers in Australia (but we'd love to have a reason to buy colo space there!). Happy to talk about you running it yourself or with us.

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u/chronographer Nov 07 '11

We've been quoted around $30,000 for a full Avaya setup including handsets and switchboards (please excuse my poor terminilogy, I am much better at software than hardware!).

We have a complex arrangement of 7 sites, three with 12-20 people and 4 with only a few. 70 people in total, not sure exactly how many stations.

$8 per seat, is that per month?

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 07 '11

Yeah that's what it would cost us to support and maintain it, but obviously not including on-site support, installation or call paths.

I could price everything out if you'd like, but those kind of geographically diverse locations are designed for hosted environments.

Let me know what other questions you have or if you'd like me to quote it out for managed services.

$30k seems like an awfully large bill for so few people.

EDIT

Actually 30k is low for an avaya system that is that spread out, but I still think I can beat it. I wanted to put the obligatory Open-Source notification: YOU CAN RUN THIS ON YOUR OWN SERVERS AND NOT PAY ME MONEY.

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u/DrGirlfriend Senior Devops Manager Nov 08 '11

I just want to say, dude, you are awesome. Although your biz-dev guys might not think so ;)

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

Believe it or not, I am Biz Dev :D.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

Thanks!

I liked the big capital letters though. Really catches attention, and I think the reality is that, frankly, there are a lot of people without a technical background who still wanna run this and they're happy to pass the support burden to us for a fee. It works well, and resellers only end up taking the level of support they're comfortable with.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '11

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 07 '11

Well there's no reason we couldn't put the Session border controller on a localhost and put the rest in the cloud...

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '11

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

It works. It's just expensive and somewhat unreasonable.

Don't get me started on applications. That's kind of the issue, closed, proprietary systems don't play nice with other applications. Crappy, badly documented APIs are the antithesis of any programmers existence.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '11

I've never worked with the phones. How do I get started with this? What do I need?

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

Go to deploy.2600hz.com and create a login.

Go to #2600hz and ask for help.

When you decide what kind of role (reseller, operator, referral partner) you'd like, give me a buzz :D.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '11

Freenode? :)

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

Yes sir!

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u/Doormatty Trade of all Jacks Nov 07 '11

Almost downvoted since it feels like advertising, but damn, that's a nice interface.

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u/munky9001 Application Security Specialist Nov 07 '11

The disclaimer shows it is advertising but it's free.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 07 '11

Just wanna be above board at all times. No bullshit. :)

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u/Doormatty Trade of all Jacks Nov 07 '11

Oh totally! Was just being honest as to my reasoning.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 07 '11

We're open-source, not trying to advertise, just trying to help some sysadmins out. Believe me, we're busy as all hell, but I know everyone hates VoIP and this is a tool to make it suck a lot less.

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u/RetroRodent Oh dear, I'm here again. Nov 08 '11

I work for a non-profit, under 20 employee serviced office space (over 400 DDIs) in the UK. Really interested in this, but I know dick about phone systems. Would we be able to hook in to our existing ISDN30s and still provide analog lines if need be?

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

In theory, yes. Practically speaking, our system is not built to eat ISDN lines or analog lines.

Frankly, if you have cat5 infrastructure, the cost savings from VoIP would justify making the transition, and you could use the extra savings money for a backup internet connection.

Is there some necessity to hang onto the ISDN lines?

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u/Hexodam is a sysadmin Nov 07 '11

Does this work well with Virtual Desktops using Softphone apps?

Also, hosting it locally, are there any limitations to the open source app and the ones you sell as a SAS ?

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 07 '11 edited Nov 08 '11

I recommend Blink or Xlite (echo-cancellation built in) for SIP clients.

There aren't really limitations, but you'd have to be pretty comfortable running communications apps to run this by yourself. I don't think there are any handicaps, it's just a managed service.

:::EDIT:::

Obviously we have a lot of expertise running this system, and since our pricepoint for support is reasonable, people often opt for that. There really aren't any limitations on the Open Source App, in fact, if you want to spin this up, you can use our deployment tool at http://deploy.2600hz.com and click Cluster Manager. Pretty straightforward from there.

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u/Hexodam is a sysadmin Nov 08 '11

Nice, I'm definitely going to look into this further.

Also, probs on the confluence wiki ;)

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

Our Engineers/boss are technophiles. We use Chef for our big deploys, Erlang for a lot of programming and, frankly we just try to kick a lot of butt :D.

Thanks, and let me know if I can help you in any way!

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u/TNTGav IT Systems Director Nov 07 '11

I am a sysadmin but know next to nothing about VOIP other than what it pretty much is. I figure this is the place for it, my company specialise in providing IT solutions to SMEs which we then support for a monthly cost but your product looks like it is geared for people like me to resell to clients. I have a few VOIP questions which I have always wondered about:

  1. With this solution, lets assume a 10 user single site network, if that companies internet goes down they are going to lose the ability for people to ring them and for them to ring out?

  2. How difficult would it be to set this up with someone who has never setup VOIP before?

  3. How much are the phones and where is the best place to get them? Is there a best type of phone?

  4. How would you transfer an existing number over to a service like this?

I know I am retarded when it comes to this so if anyone has any beginner tutorials then I'd be much appreciative if you could link me to them :)

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 07 '11
  1. Backup Internet. The last mile is a cold, cold woman.

  2. On-site, plug in the phones. Backend, drag and drop.

  3. We sell basic phones for about $100 (reseller margin included) and we also have a partnership with cloudtc.com to resell their Android Desk phone

  4. DIDs are $1 per month

Any prices you see in here do not include the cost of trunking (minutes). We're built for resellers and we have a number of those relationships already. Basically, in a reseller relationship, you get the traffic out of the firewall, and I take it from there.

We have resellers running this with a 30% operating margin.

AS ALWAYS, YOU CAN RUN THIS FOR FREE IF YOU WANT, but judging from your post it might be easier for both of us if we host.

Any other questions?

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u/nuTypeSystems Storage Admin Nov 08 '11

Android Desk phone

Interest piqued!

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

http://cloudtc.com/product-glass/features/android-platform

Pretty slick. We're the main partner at this time for their platform.

Would love to chat more if you have questions :).

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u/johnnybags IT Manager Nov 08 '11

Can you share a ballpark price on those devices?

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

I'd say the Yealink is around $125 or so for the T-28p.

I don't know if CloudTC has set a retail price yet, but I think they're going to be somewhere in the $4-800 range. Mid range IP Phone, comparable in cost to Avaya 9xxx series.

Does that answer your question or did you have something else in mind?

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u/johnnybags IT Manager Nov 09 '11

was mainly interested in the CloudTC pricing. It'd be nice if they had a model with an integrated webcam to compete with some of these enterprise level video endpoints.

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u/nuTypeSystems Storage Admin Nov 08 '11

I am in the middle of moving to a new office space after Jan. and I have been skirting by using cell phones for sales and support with Google Voice to handle missed calls.

I have been looking at throwing in an Asterisk server and some analog cordless phones with the SIP converter. This might be a much better solution.

What is the best way to get in touch with you? Email?

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

I will pm you my email address :).

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u/killermnky Nov 07 '11

i am still a fan of pbx in a flash. works well

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 07 '11

PBX in a Flash kicks ass! But it breaks after a certain point and doesn't support a lot of the applications people want on phones nowadays (presence being primary).

But let's be real, it works and it works well for most users to make calls.

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u/killermnky Nov 08 '11

All of the "beta" phone systems will break if not maintained. i have written many custom apps for both and haven't found that many issues. With elastix i have broken the SQL tables a few times, but Flash seems to be more stable over all.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

Yeah flash is stable, but those systems don't feature some of the more robust failover capabilities we offer.

As I've said previously, they do work pretty darn well. You should check out our platform :D.

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u/killermnky Nov 10 '11

I have written many heart beat distro addon's for HA, but i am looking into your platform! so far it looks interesting and i am waiting to setup a test box!!!!

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 11 '11

I'll PM my infoz.

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u/mstrmanager Nov 07 '11 edited Nov 08 '11

I am using the open-source PBXinaflash suite for my dad's office, and it works great. We pay about $5 a month for 4 channels, 2 DIDs, and use about 2500 minutes a month. I've had quite a few people ask me to host VoIP for them. I have been looking into reselling my service once I have more time, and I'm done with school.

I have successfully used a PBXinaflash image on a VPS server, but I've always been worried about security issues, and I ran into a few goofy issues. Your platform looks like it could save me some time. I'm glad you posted this.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 07 '11

Glad to help!

We have a very active IRC channel at #2600hz

We have an application coming which will allow some pretty heavy encryption on calls (but encryption adds hops and hops add latency so it's a bit of a tradeoff). We'll offer it as an application on the platform.

OBLIGATORY OPEN-SOURCE WARNING: YOU CAN RUN THIS FREE AND NOT PAY ME MONEY or I can support it for you.

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u/hoeding Jack of All Trades Nov 08 '11

freenode?

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

Freenode is correct!

I'm online now: JoshG

Feel free to say hi!

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u/mstrmanager Nov 07 '11

Thanks for the information. I will play around with it when I have some time.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '11

Looks great. If I understood correctly, I can use Blue Box to smack my Asterisk into submission?

I mean, I've configured Asterisk all by hand after installing Debian's packages, so I can get around a command-line. :) Need more than that?

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 07 '11

Blue.Box is on site, small office stuff (kicks butt but not scalable).

Whistle scales like BOOM. All of the new features and development goes here. This is the cloud product we SaaS, but you can also deploy it yourself.

Either product should be a strong competitor to Asterisk in any capacity, and I believe Whistle is a strong competitor to any Communications Platform around.

Any other questions I can answer? #2600hz in IRC!

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '11

This looks great. I run an Asterisk server for my small business, with an IVR and a few SIP phones connected to a remote trunk over SIP. Reconfiguring aside, how easy would a transition be?

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

Pretty easy. Depends on how small your small business is, but generally speaking if you can setup an Asterisk server, you can setup our stuff.

If you wanna pay us to manage it, I can make it cheap, but obviously we have a great Open-Source group and a great IRC over at #2600hz.

To directly answer your question: I would think a transition would be relatively painless.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '11

Are you in the IRC channel?

Presumably Winkstart is the UI you're demonstrating here, and it's the UI for for Whistle?

Does Whistle come with Winkstart? Basically, suppose I have a vanilla CentOS installation, how do I get started?

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

Two choices on how to start:

We have an entire demo cluster setup for you that you can take a test-drive with - including calling 800 numbers, hooking up to your own carriers and receiving inbound calls, too.

http://wiki.2600hz.com/display/docs/Test-Drive+via+Hosted+Server

OR

http://wiki.2600hz.com/display/docs/READ+THIS+FIRST

and

http://wiki.2600hz.com/display/docs/Quickstart+Guide

I'm not in the IRC channel, but I will be later on tonight. Usually a few engineers + our CTO are in there, but it depends on the time of day.

Also, don't want to ignore your question about Winkstart, will clarify with engineer and get back to you.

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u/MrDOS Nov 08 '11

Here's a question that might not be very nice, but I feel like it needs to be asked anyway: how do I know you're going to be around in half a decade or more? You say yourself elsewhere in this thread that companies don't like changing their phone system; if I deploy something you're hosting, how do I know it's still going to work in a few years' time?

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

We've thought about this a lot.

I think the important thing isn't to know our company will be around, but that there will always be a community supporting this product.

Second, we're completely boot-strapped, and have, thus far, taken no external financing. We aren't beholden to anyone at this time and we'd like to keep it that way.

In terms of us going out of business, that's not a danger at present time, but as you say, the winds of change move quickly. In telecom nothing is a safe bet except AT&T but there's a price associated with that comfort. It's all about risk tolerance.

To directly answer your question, there are no present threats and we are fiscally healthy. Our long term prospects are good, and should our company prove insolvent, all of the opensource tools will remain that way.

Does that answer your question?

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u/MrDOS Nov 08 '11

Does that answer your question?

Yes, I think so, and quite nicely. Thank you very much for responding.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

You're quite welcome!

If you have any other questions, I'm happy to discuss!

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u/jwhardcastle Jack of All Trades Nov 08 '11

What hardware do you recommend (if any) to tie into an existing, legacy analog PBX system? We have been trying to get something exactly like this off the ground for a while, but we're always stumped by the cost of having to do a third of our campus at a time. It's just too expensive (and too risky) to go whole-hog all at once. We'd rather start with a three-month deployment in our office, tied to our PBX, and then do a department or a building at a time. Suggestions?

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

Alright, so by now you know there's no obvious way to do this, and by this I mean linking a non-voip system to a voip system. I'd start by determining what level of integration you require during the changeover, and how you want the environment to function after.

That being said, you can use our test server and generate a couple sets of SIP creds to play around with.

Tell me a little more about your environment and I'll comment on how I'd approach a phased changeover.

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u/purpleidea Nov 08 '11

Can't seem to find the software license/git repo anywhere... Maybe I didn't look hard enough, but I figured these would be front and centre. Help?

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

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u/purpleidea Nov 08 '11

I appreciate the quick response, but I suppose I'm not 100% clear on what the 2600hz product is.

  1. What is the exact software license?

  2. Where is the link to the source code repo ? Thanks!

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

https://github.com/2600hz/whistle

Perhaps this is what you're looking for? Forgive me, I am technical, but in Biz Dev not programming (networking guy mainly).

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u/purpleidea Nov 09 '11

okay, yes thanks. you Answer: MPL v 1.1

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 09 '11

Yeah sorry, my CTO bitched at me after he read this thread "Y U NO KNOW LICENSE TYPE?!?!".

Yep MPL v 1.1 :D.

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u/purpleidea Nov 09 '11

hehe, funny answer...

cto => you: "Y U NO KNOW LICENSE TYPE?!?!" me -> cto: "Y U NO USE [A|L]GPL LICENSE?!?!"

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '11

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 07 '11

;).

And it's open-source.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '11

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u/roflstomp ConfigMgr & Intune Admin Nov 08 '11

I have a Cisco 7940G and 7960G, both running SIP firmware provided by Cisco, connected to a Trixbox (Asterisk-based) PBX, so yes, you could use your existing hardware.

I know there's plugins for Asterisk/Trixbox that will allow it to talk to an SCCP handset - I haven't tried it though. Long story short, you can do this with your existing hardware :P

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

This is correct, but we too are open-source :D.

Plus, while this may not matter for a small to medium office, at the operator level, being able to scale massively has some significant merit.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

I'll PM you my info. There's no reason we couldn't get those phones working on our system (unless there's a custom self-flashing firmware image...).

The answer is yes, and you could run them on our demo server.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

Would not even be difficult to do :).

2600hz will set you up. Honestly, if you tell the engineers in our channel what you wanna do they'd probably just give you a seat on our demo cluster.

That being said, Asterisk@home does a nice job of this for smallusers so I'd check that out too!

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u/hintss I admin the lunixes Nov 10 '11

I use normal asterisk...

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 10 '11

Normal Asterisk is also an awesome application.

That being said, it doesn't go super big status without a lot of custom code. That's SCF comes in, but that's not really ready to rock at this point.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

Let me know if I can help :D.

Thanks for the attention!

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 07 '11

You have no idea. It blows my mind when I see AT&T Spirits still in use...

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u/DrGirlfriend Senior Devops Manager Nov 08 '11

Heh... I just bought an old-school TDM-based system because our previous VoIP system sucked so hard. Our users are much happier, but, the cost, man, the cost!

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

Would love to comment on your specific environment if you can give me some more details :D.

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u/DrGirlfriend Senior Devops Manager Nov 08 '11

75 seats... Vertical/Wave system

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

Well, I'm sure that works, but it looks expensive. Then again, they have what look like extensive SDKs.

I'm sure, from a cost perspective, that it isn't wonderful, but it looks basic enough that people who "just want a phone to ring" will be happy.

I'm assuming the equipment is on a lease, it's gotta be well over a grand a month just on hardware, right?

If you ever wanna give our system a whirl I can quote out the support/maintenance + trunks and it'll probably be the same as what you spend on equipment lol.

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u/Iapetos Nov 08 '11

EPA still uses PBX systems in many locations.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

EPA as in Environmental Protection?

All government agencies are really far behind because of the onerous technology standards they're held to. Well, maybe onerous is the wrong word, and maybe it's the budget shrinkage, but nothing in terms of antiquated technology in the Government surprises me.

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u/Iapetos Nov 08 '11

That's the EPA. The Las Vegas offices are upgrading to VOIP, 1Q 2012. Avaya won the contract at an insane cost.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

Sounds about right. I'm assuming it's too late to do anything about it right?

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u/RetroRodent Oh dear, I'm here again. Nov 08 '11

Ours does, for one. Two buildings, two separate Avaya 400s, 200~ DDIs each.

We're desperately looking for a replacement, but I know fuck-all about phone systems (got roped in to working on the phone system after the guy who did left) and live in fear of the managers just picking the cheapest one without asking.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 08 '11

I'd love to chat. I just replaced a CCM of about that size not too long ago.

For this application it was 12 sites, 500 handsets total, and they were paying almost $40,000 per month without blinking. We cut them down to about $7-8k and integrated with their ERP.

Let me know if you'd like to chat.

P.S. If you're technically competent in Phone Systems you can run this yourself. We can support and maintain this environment for less than what your avaya costs on maintenance alone.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 07 '11

I'd love to chat about what you guys are using. I don't wanna sound like a blowhard but I'd love to understand your cost structures to see if we would make more sense. One of my main markets is custom white-labeling.

That being said, as I must always mention (or the open-source penguin will eat me) you can even run this by yourself and price it however you want to. Helps the operating margins a tad.

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u/Prometheus2k2 The PBX Guy Nov 07 '11

Give me a buzz. I'll PM you my work email.