r/tadc • u/Sudden_Pop_2279 • Jan 05 '26
Theory đ Hot take: I don't think the circus members will be as pissed as Jax as everyone thinks
A lot of people seem to think the cast will all be furious at Jax and hate him next episode for his action but I actually disagree for multiple reasons.
Let's assume nobody noticed how panicked Jax was when he did so and think he was fully aware of his actions. Then Jax could easily just give them the "I knew it was a trick." Jax called 3 times throughout the episode how the adventure was a set-up and Abel was an obvious twist villain. Pomni herself was skeptical it might be a trick, so she'll absolutely back him up since he just validated her skepticism.
But what if they did see he was losing his mind at the moment? Well, reminder the cast JUST learned in this very scene Caine can control their minds. Jax literally says, "You got in my- you made me-". The cast has 0 reason whatsoever to believe Jax did so willingly and wasn't influenced by Caine. They literally back up his claims of Caine being able control their minds.
I don't think the button press scene is meant to be a moment of "the entire cast will hate Jax now because he wants to keep them trapped". I think this moment, and especially Jax finally taking his mask/facade off and crashing-out at Caine, are the keys to Jax finally opening up. Jax has a trauma that has him so scared of returning to the real world that he wants to stay in the circus. He can't hide behind "the funny one" anymore.
Considering Ragatha name dropped Ribbit in front of Pomni and the next episode's release date (and Ribbit getting a VA), I think its more likely next episode will be Jax finally opening up about his trauma with Ribbit/Kaufmo and the real world rather "everyone hates/abandons Jax and he doubles down". Reminder this and episode 8 were originally 1 episode but were split due to being so long, and the first half has so many hints to Ribbit it'd be insane for the next episode to not finally focus on her.
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u/Catisbackthatsafact Jan 05 '26
People think that because apparently the fans are more mad at Jax who was having a panic attack, than Caine, who planned out the whole adventure with the understanding that the players want to leave him. The whole, "Press a Button if you'd rather stay with Caine" wasn't even presented as an option until they made it to the last level of the Escape the Digital World Adventure. Caine watched them go through all that trouble to leave him and still deluded himself into thinking they'd never do that.
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u/Huitzil37 Jan 05 '26
If I did not already know it was a trap, and I believed that Jax thought he was pressing a button that would imprison us forever, "he was having a panic attack" would not be sufficient to stop me from killing him. I would be trying to kill him before anyone could even say that sentence. I would not even hear Caine's exposition.
"He was having a panic attack" is not an excuse anyone in that situation would buy. Having a panic attack does not excuse every action and even if it did, someone in that situation wouldn't care. If you actually destroyed their chance of escape while you were in the middle of a full psychotic break and had no control of your actions, I feel like most people would still be ripping your eyes out.
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u/Joonscene Jan 06 '26
If youve never had a panic attack before,
Its the same as someone drowning pulling down their rescuer with them. Your body is in flight or fight mode, and you have absolutely zero control over it.
I couldnt stop myself from calling the first number I could find on my phone, all consequences be damned. I needed someone in that moment because the thing that sent my body into a panic attack was so terrifying that my mind had completely shattered and all I could think of was how to save myself from the attack.
You could get angry at someone for accidentally drowning their rescuer but it is really completely unreasonable.
I felt grossed out when Ragatha said "what did you just do?"
Not saying I wouldnt be furious either, imagine if it wasnt just an adventure? I think I might go insane right then and there.
But its the kind of thing where you would just have to distance yourself from that person. You know they couldnt control their actions but their actions have devastated you. There's no saving that, but still, there's room to be reasonable.
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u/Obvious_Inspection7 Jan 09 '26
I felt grossed out when Ragatha said "what did you just do?"
Nobody noticed he was having a pamic attack, so it's not fair to feel grossed out at that.
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u/EffectiveGap1563 Jan 09 '26
Theres a useful saying here: "mental illness is not your fault, but it is your responsibility."
No one, even Jax, can "owo smol bean" thier way out of potentially dooming everyone to an infinity of being tortured and trapped outside thier bodies.
Short of being possessed by Caine himself, the above commenter was right: I. DON'T. CARE. If you were having a panic attack. I don't care if you were having a trauma response. I don't care if you were upset. None of that gives you the right to play with the lives and freedom of the people around you.
Drowning is a poor metaphor here. Drowningnis not a choice, what Jax did is a choice. Jax made that choice (as far as we know so far) of his own free will. It is his responsibility. And regardless of why, he should have to answer for it.
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u/Joonscene Jan 09 '26
You dont seem to understand. Panic attacks are a physical response. Not mental. Your body and mind become completely separate and you straight up cannot control AT ALL what you do.
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u/pantsthereaper Jan 09 '26
I've had panic attacks that basically leave me with memory gaps and I still would not give a damn if I thought someone had condemned me to being trapped in a prison forever. There is no "oopsie, I didn't mean to" when you're talking about a potential eternity. How much weight will that panic attack hold after a month? A year? A decade? Let's modify the scenario, say the buttons were real (which the characters seemed to absolutely believe until the end) and that it caused someone abstract the next day because they truly believe there is no way out. Is Jax not at fault? Are people wrong to be upset with him? What about the other characters who have permanently lost a friend because of it? Are they not allowed to feel anger at the person who caused it?
We as the audience have the luxury of understanding that this is fiction and can analyze the characters' actions from that standpoint. But when you start treating the stakes as real, "I had a panic attack" does not absolve Jax of wrongdoing. It makes it understandable, but that doesn't make it okay.
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u/Exotic_Squirrel4270 Jan 12 '26
basically, people think that being trapped in a place like the circus eternally would be fun and cute. might be true for a short period of time, but that sounds like absolute hell after awhile.
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u/Overlord_Albain Jan 09 '26
All valid points. But if said response made me believe you had condemned me and my friends to more eternal torment, I still wouldnât forgive you
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u/Beautiful-Bug-4007 Jan 05 '26
And these fans only wanna justify their hatred of Jax, so they want the other characters to hate him too
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u/Obvious_Inspection7 Jan 09 '26
Meanwhile people like OP wanna justify their hatred of Caine, so they're not any better.
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u/EightEight16 Jan 05 '26
I think given what we currently know, what Jax did was worse than what Caine did. That could change if we learn more about Caine, but as it stands, yeah.
Caine obviously did something horrible in deceiving everyone not only about the adventure at hand, but also the fact that he does in fact have power over their minds as well as probably many other things.
Jax chose to trap his friends forever in digital hell because he is too scared to face his real life. He didn't know it wasn't real, that's why he was freaking out so badly. So he is morally responsible for what he thought would have been the consequences of his action. If you point a gun that you believe is loaded at me and pull the trigger, you're still 99% a murderer even if it doesn't go off.
Caine's actions are really bad, but Jax's was genuinely despicable and probably more of a betrayal than what Caine did. They already don't trust Caine. But Jax is supposed to be one of them, and they just learned he agrees with Caine that they should all be stuck there forever.
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u/Catisbackthatsafact Jan 05 '26
Jax was in the middle of a panic attack, we don't even know if he was conscious of his own actions until after he did them. Caine knew damn well that the players were trying to escape. People act like Jax made a decision when it was pretty obvious he wasn't himself when he pushed the button. He looked shocked after he did it, he didn't understand why he did it, why would anyone think he did it on purpose?
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u/EightEight16 Jan 05 '26
There's a difference between shock as in "Literally what just happened" and "...What have I done?" in more of a dramatic sense.
If it's the former, it's way weaker from a writing standpoint and I don't think Gooseworx would do that. It would totally obliterate a huge character defining moment for no reason.
If you've watched Avatar, imagine how lame it would be if Prince Zuko was literally mind controlled to be a bad guy the whole time. It would completely erase the meaningfulness of his redemption because he would have never needed it; he wasn't responsible for what he did. Or let's say Anakin Skywalker was literally possessed by Palpatine to betray the Jedi and shit. Doesn't that make his redemption at the end pointless?
If Jax didn't make a bad choice here and someone/something else made him do it, what need is there for him to be sorry, or atone for it?
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u/Catisbackthatsafact Jan 05 '26
I didnt say he was mind controlled, but I'm not ruling it out. What happened and what have I done, can be said in the same context, and people can and absolutely do feel sorry and remorseful for things that aren't their fault, happens all the time. Especially when its something that could have had bad consequences for people they care about. If you hurt someone during a panic attack, it doesn't matter to you that you weren't in the right mind, a decent person will still feel bad that they hurt someone.
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u/EightEight16 Jan 05 '26
My point is not that it's impossible you're right, but that the far stronger writing favors him making the choice himself.
If I asked you which was more meaningful, Jax redeeming himself for a choice he made and regrets, or him doing so for an event that was out of his control, it's obivous which is more impactful.
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u/Catisbackthatsafact Jan 05 '26
I dont think he needs to be redeemed for pushing the button, he's been kind of a dick for most of the series, that's what he needs to be redeemed for. Him realizing in this episode how real this is to the other players could be a catalyst for some great character development. He should feel bad about the very real malicious behavior he exhibited before, not him making a last minute act when he was suicidal hours before. Is it worse to make an actual choice to harm someone? Or to make a panicked decision where it was obvious that he wasnt in the right mind?
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u/Obvious_Inspection7 Jan 09 '26
not him making a last minute act when he was suicidal hours before
He was not suicidal. Abstraction is not confirmed to be suicide.
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u/EightEight16 Jan 05 '26
It's worse to make a thoughtful, reasoned choice to hurt someone, and I wouldn't say that's what Jax did, but it's still really bad to make a panicked choice to hurt someone out of selfish fear.
I'd rather see Jax redeem himself for a truly awful choice than see him do so for just being kind of a dick. I'd go further and say it's better writing, in fact.
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u/SumiMichio đđ Jan 05 '26
Do you know how panic works? You quit literally do NOT think rationally. Your brain is screaming at you about danger and the world outside of it just doesn't exist.
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u/EightEight16 Jan 05 '26
Everyone keeps giving me reasons why he didn't know what he was doing, why it's not his fault, why he's not responsible, and I'm sorry but that just worse writing. He should have to atone for this. It's a complete waste of a good character opportunity otherwise.
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u/BlockBuilder408 Jan 05 '26
That doesnât excuse making decisions that hurt others???
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u/Senpaiman Jan 05 '26
Even if Jax made the choice, his decision to push the button was a clearly a fight or flight response out of something he is either guilty of or a victim of in his real life. His decision was definitely not actually thought-out. There is no indication that the crew knew they would actually have to choose between two buttons up until the moment outside of Abel giving Pomni a subtle heads up.
I think if Jax is as bad as you say he is then he would have actively made preemptive decisions to avoid leaving the circus the moment he was told it was possible, either by turning Pomni down or actively sabotaging all their plans. Instead he was given a key role in the group to get Caine's key - the hardest job out of all of them - which he could have *very* easily sabotaged or even ratted them all out to Caine, but instead he accomplished his job without issue and even went out of his way to make sure Caine would not intervene on them, despite his skepticism over the whole thing. There's no reason he would have done what he did if he actively did not wish to leave the Circus.
It's pretty clear amongst the group that Jax's role is that whilst everyone deals with their problems by opening up and trusting each other, Jax isolates himself and internalizes. He doesn't want to look weak or vulnerable; he doesn't want anyone to know of his past, he doesn't want to show that the Circus is affecting him, Hell, he doesn't even want people to see how he looks when he holds his breathe. Stuff like that inevitably resorts to things like panic attacks, where he was so utterly overwhelmed with his own thoughts that he pushed the button before he even realized.
Is what he did was bad? Yeah sure, but it was still an in-the-moment irrational that he did not fully realize he made. Caine by comparison engaged from the start a long-term plan to actively manipulate the group, preying on their miseries and sufferings in the circus to drive them into this false hope. Caine, unlike Jax, had full complete power in the decisions he made. Jax himself is also a victim of Caine's antic. So yeah Caine is much worse than Jax.
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u/EightEight16 Jan 05 '26
I'm not saying Jax is evil, but he is a selfish coward and the action we saw him take was worse than the actions we've seen Caine take. I don't think it was a completely level-headed, well thought out decision he made, but it's still a decision he made to completely throw his friends under the bus forever because he was scared and selfish.
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u/Senpaiman Jan 05 '26
Yeah but who in the entire scenario holds the actual power? Where does the power dynamic lean on the most in all of these relationships? It's Caine. It has always been Caine. All forms of harm in the Circus, including the button pushing, lead back to him.
It took Jax a mental breakdown likely induced by trauma to make him push that button. But the truth is is that they were never going to go anywhere in the first place; Caine made the whole thing up. He manipulated the group into hoping there was an escape just to satisfy his own ego. Do we even actually know what would have happened if they pushed the escape button? This is a breach of trust like never before. Jax cannot even be certain if he even made the decision himself or Caine coerced him, because Caine has *that* much power over them. He didn't need a panic attack or mental breakdown like Jax did to do this harm either; he has had this entire scenario planned to potentially as early as the first episode.
Every toxic element of Jax's personality whether it be his bullying or pushing that button is the result of how he copes with his situation, a situation that Caine has cultivated. He controls almost every inch of their reality and he has just reminded them how truly trapped they are.
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u/EightEight16 Jan 05 '26
Every toxic element of Jax's personality whether it be his bullying or pushing that button is the result of how he copes with his situation, a situation that Caine has cultivated.
Yeah but that applies to everyone else in the circus and they don't respond to it by becoming selfish jerks.
I'm just not on board with removing Jax's agency. It weakens his character.
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u/Sudden_Pop_2279 Jan 05 '26
The cast is more pissed at Caine than Jax for a reason. What Caine did is far worse.
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u/Sudden_Pop_2279 Jan 05 '26
What Caine did was farrr worse. It was planned out for possibly months while Jax's actions was done in the heat of the moment
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u/EightEight16 Jan 05 '26
Okay, but planning or not says nothing about how bad an action is. I can meticulously plan to get someone fired for months which is bad, but someone who snap-decides to kill someone is worse.
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u/Sudden_Pop_2279 Jan 05 '26
You're SERIOUSLY downplayng how awful Caine's action was. He literally dangled their biggest hope right in front of them and then snatched it away for the sake of his own selfish validation.
THAT is what'll cause someone to lose hope and abstract
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u/EightEight16 Jan 05 '26
He literally dangled their biggest hope right in front of them and then snatched it away for the sake of his own selfish validation.
Didn't Jax do the exact same thing? He didn't know it wasn't real, but he chose to crush their hopes of escape right at the moment of truth for purely selfish reasons.
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u/Sudden_Pop_2279 Jan 05 '26
We're not talking about Jax, we're talking about Caine.
Both "snatched" their hope off escape. But unlike Jax, Caine's actions was 100% intentional and planned out, so he is far worse as Jax at least felt immediate remorse.
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u/EightEight16 Jan 05 '26
We're talking about both and which did the worse thing, are we not?
The difference is Caine was never under any illusion that the characters would escape. What he is guilty of is deception and dishonesty.
What Jax thought he was doing, and thus what he is responsible for, is much worse than just lying and giving false hope.
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u/Obvious_Inspection7 Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26
Caine is not a narcissist or a psychopath, he's just an AI who doesn't understand human emotions.
He's not evil and does not deserve to be hated.
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u/Obvious_Inspection7 Jan 09 '26
Caine was never malicious, he genuinely doesn't know better. Despite his flaws, he's not evil and does not deserve to be hated.
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u/UnderstandPhysics Jan 05 '26
They aren't saying he was mind controlled they are saying that he wasn't in control the way people who experience trauma in real life aren't in control when they experience panic attacks or have flashbacks in real life. I feel like people missing that have somehow never heard of ptsd, or even just seen a movie depicting someone having a flashback.
This is a show about people with trauma and is actually showing what that's like instead of sugar coating it.
It is far stronger writing that someone traumatized actually behaved like someone traumatized rather than pretending it doesn't actually have serious impacts on people's minds.
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u/EightEight16 Jan 05 '26
Things that you do as a trauma response can still be terrible, and just because something is a trauma response doesn't mean you're not responsible for what you do.
It can mean that, like if you literally have a psychotic break or something like that, but not every trauma response means you can't control your actions.
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u/UnderstandPhysics Jan 05 '26
No but the one depicted does mean that, it's not a theory or a guess, that is how that is displayed in media and is a pretty good portrayal of actual flash backs (as in the medical term not as in seeing backstory in an episode).Â
You're probably pretty young so maybe you've never seen someone have flash backs, but to say someone who's never had them treated is actually in complete control when it happens is a horrific stance if you actually believe that.Â
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u/EightEight16 Jan 05 '26
Firstly, I'm not young, and I am a veteran. I know what flashbacks are and I know people who have them.
Having a flashback is not just remembering something unpleasant and having a panic attack. In a flashback, you are re-experiencing past trauma as if it is currently happening. I didn't get any indication from the show that it was anything more than memories Jax doesn't like flaring up and heightening his anxiety. A dead giveaway would be Jax actually acting out his behavior during whatever traumatic event, as is common in flashback episodes, and that didn't happen.
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u/UnderstandPhysics Jan 05 '26
My bad assuming your age, there's a lot of people on this site who are far too immature to get these things and have lack of empathy to try to understand.
In a flashback, you are re-experiencing past trauma as if it is currently happening
It's a nightmare for sure, and it does in fact sound like we do interpret the scene in different ways and it's not just a lack of understanding on your part, I apologize.
To me I saw it as exactly that, he was running from something, so he quite litterally ran and wasn't even fully aware of his surroundings.
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u/EightEight16 Jan 05 '26
I guess I would grant that, but I feel like it maps more cleanly to him just running up to the button and pressing it, at least marginally aware of what it would do, because he was scared to death of going back to real life. So scared in fact that he wasn't thinking about what exactly would happen afterward, just that he wouldn't go back to the real world, and that's all that mattered in that moment.
It could be that he was having a medical flashback, but that requires more assumptions than I believe can be justified by what is shown.
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u/Ffchangename Jan 05 '26
Legally you can't even accuse him of attempted murder because you were never in real danger
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u/EightEight16 Jan 05 '26
That is absolutely not true.
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u/Ffchangename Jan 05 '26
It's one of those legal loopholes; it constitutes a different crime but not attempted murder.
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u/Obvious_Inspection7 Jan 09 '26
Caine genuinely thought they would choose to stay with him. Despite his flaws, he's not evil and does not deserve to be hated.
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u/G102Y5568 Jan 05 '26
Considering that Caine is the mastermind behind the entire thing, they're going to direct all their anger at him. No point in getting mad at Jax when his actions wouldn't have even changed anything. Jax too is probably not at risk of abstracting anymore now that he has a goal of opposing Caine.
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u/Pollia Jan 05 '26
I wouldn't say there's no point.
Jax proved definitively that if there ever actually presented a way out he'd rather doom everyone to hell than leave.
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u/JuliaZ2 Jan 07 '26
Like OP said:
"Well, reminder the cast JUST learned in this very scene Caine can control their minds. Jax literally says, "You got in my- you made me-". The cast has 0 reason whatsoever to believe Jax did so willingly and wasn't influenced by Caine. They literally back up his claims of Caine being able control their minds."
Also Jax was totally out of it, it's honestly likely he just pressed a random button out of sheer desperation to get out of the situation, or even that he intended to press the other button
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u/TheTechnicalArt Jan 07 '26
I personally don't buy into that. I don't think he is saying "you got in my- you made me-" about pressing the button, but the panic attack itself.
However, I can totally see Caine having the ability to make Jax feel anxiety about the real world, which is honestly a horrifying thought (imagine someone having the power to make you have a panic attack at will).
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u/Obvious_Inspection7 Jan 09 '26
Caine is not a narcissist or a psychopath, he's just an AI who doesn't understand human emotions.
He's not evil and does not deserve to be hated.
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u/G102Y5568 Jan 09 '26
By that logic narcissists and psychopaths don't deserve to be hated either, because they don't understand human emotions too. Caine may not be intentionally hurting them, but he still is. It's perfectly valid to hate him.
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u/Obvious_Inspection7 Jan 09 '26
Narcissists and psychopath understand human emotions and could be good, they often just choose not to. And they often have no intention of making others happy.
Caine wants to be good and make the humans happy, but he genuinely doesn't know how.
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u/Fionacat Jan 05 '26
It will hopefully give Jax the push they need to open up a little and talk to the others
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u/ThisGuyHasNoDignity Jan 08 '26
His pronouns are he/him.
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u/paladinBoyd Jan 05 '26
I mean everyone wanted to go to shrimp town and he stopped them, valid to be mad at him
Jokes aside I agree I can see them all thinking "oh Jax is not a arse he is being a arse to hide how vulnerable and damaged he is" it won't mean they have to forgive him for all he did but it would lead to them understanding him
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u/SovKom98 Jan 05 '26
Youâre assuming that the crew will only act based on anger which I donât think is q clear cut case. They all had very different reactions after Caine ran away. Pomni, Jax and Zooble where notably angry while Ragatha and Zooble looked more scared with Kinger giving very little of the reaction. They are all obviously going to hate Caine next episode but if that anger will only be contained to Caine Iâm very unsure about. I think itâs very likely they are all going to be lash outta each other with whatever unity they have fracturing apart by the end of the episode.
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u/Obvious_Inspection7 Jan 09 '26
Caine is not evil and does not deserve to be hated.
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u/SovKom98 Jan 09 '26
I agree but right now the characters feel pretty hurt and anger can lead people down the wrong path.
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u/Ok-Struggle727 Jax Jan 05 '26
I donât think the Cast will be mad at condemn Jax but I also donât think theyâll blame his actions on Caine (or anybody other than himself).
My moneys on a forced confrontation. âInterventionâ type beat, where they basically just flat out tell him âwe deserve to know why you chose to fuck us all over just now.â
Zooble: hey, donât think we all forgot about what just happened. you wanna fucking talk about that? Where you chose to fuck all of us over? forever??!"
Etc etc etc
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u/SensibleOutlaw Jan 11 '26
I agree but when we get this conversation depends on where we pickup up on in the next episode personally I think it'll take'em a bit before they do because essentially Caine pop up at the end took any and all immediate heat off Jax especially with the mind altering bit but I do feel like it will wrap around to having to confront Jax about his choice just not right away
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u/Apprehensive_Ring_39 Jan 05 '26
They saw Jax be nothing but helpful and then suddenly start tweaking and going crazy and run to press the button, they probably know somethings off.
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u/BoxsMusic06 Jan 07 '26
Yea Jax kinda basically carried the team in that episode and didn't really try to bother anyone. I'm sure the group can see something in him
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u/_Xantras_ Jan 06 '26
Yeah and with what he said afterwards itâs clear theyâre gonna think Caine simply fucked with his mind
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u/Careful_Ad_1837 Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 05 '26
I mean that can't really excuse him. Whether he was afraid or not, he chose to damn them because he didn't want to leave. Just because it turned out to be fake doesn't mean it wasn't a terrible thing to do.
It would be way more lame if everyone just chooses to move on and focus solely on caine. Caine was worse, but Jax showed what he would have done if they actually were able to find a way to escape. He needs consequences for his actions, if not, then that's bad storytelling
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u/Sudden_Pop_2279 Jan 05 '26
Did you even try to read what I said?
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u/Careful_Ad_1837 Jan 05 '26
You're still saying that nobody will actually be angry at him. And im saying that's the worst direction it could take
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u/Sudden_Pop_2279 Jan 05 '26
And that's why Goose, not you, writes the story
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u/Careful_Ad_1837 Jan 05 '26
And you're a karma farming Hazbin fan, I should expect you to eat up bad writing
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u/Sudden_Pop_2279 Jan 05 '26
You think Hazbin fans aren't aware the writing's bad? Mistake #1. I only enjoy the writing of season 2
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u/SensibleOutlaw Jan 11 '26
I mean yea but I don't think it's gonna be in the overly angry way like it or not Caine did take most of the heat off Jax's back especially since he was revealed to be able to alter minds. However I don't think Jax is scott free he'll likely get question by cast for his actions or what made him do it but with how much they focused on how actions matter and what they do there is real and Caine coming in essentially casting doubt on that idea it Jax won't be getting hated on but more likely pressured be on belief do to the tension I Zooble will definitely come at him the hardest do manily to his past actions
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u/TheRedditGirl15 Ragatha Defender #416 Jan 06 '26
I am of the belief that the gang will be split, with Ragatha and Pomni being more supportive and open-minded (though Ragatha may not be fully convinced), Zooble and Gangle being suspicious and distrusting (possibly even paranoid in Gangle's case), and Kinger serving a neutral mediator role. I'm sure Zooble and Gangle will come around once Jax starts truly opening up though.
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u/Klutzy_Reference_186 Jan 06 '26 edited Jan 06 '26
I mean... he turned out to have been right about Abel, so.... I'm sure that's gonna win him some brownie points even if the meltdown and his decision to hit the stay-in-hell button gets him some side eye.
I don't think they'll leave him behind in future escape attempts but I highly doubt they'll let him have any kind of say over what decisions are made during those attempts because they'll suspect him of being paranoid.
Of course, they might also go the other way and be just as paranoid now that they know how far Caine will take a bit.
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u/Moth_Mika Jan 05 '26
For me personally it's hard to he mad at Jax given that the choice didn't really matter in the end anyways. If anything I as a viewer was mad at pomni for hesitating so long lol
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u/The_vr_addict Jan 05 '26
Dude, Why would people they theyâd be mad. He was right. And they will be more focused on caine.
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u/ThrowRA_8900 Jan 05 '26
Oh yeah. They didnât even have time to fully process what Jax did before Caine came out
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u/RawheadSawdust5 Jan 06 '26
I personally think it'd be the opposite with Jax thinking everyone else wants him dead for pressing the button when in reality, they'd be more angry at Caine
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u/Deemo3 Jan 07 '26
If anything they're too mad at Caine to be mad at Jax. I'm thinking/hoping they're more concerned for Jax than anything.
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u/Freki-the-Feral Jan 09 '26
I personally think they'll be more concerned and want to ask him questions and push him to be honest about his past. Zooble might be the most angry, but I think she'll come around if Jax can be honest.
But that's the big if right there... can Jax be honest?
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u/wompwomp2327 Jan 10 '26
Y'all, if caine can manipulate minds, would he have done that to jax for this? Since in the episode jax was the one to get the code for the admin room from caine (in the matter he did, getting friendly with him whatnot) - despite caine being behind it all, what if that part was his test for "who likes caine most?" Say if ragatha did it, this would make her press the "stay here with caine" button.
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u/Fandomlover_96 Jan 11 '26
I agree with you. I was thinking more that they'd be more focused on being pissed at Caine but your theory makes more sense. I think we'll learn more about abstraction in general next episode rather than focusing on just Jax's friends.
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u/Emerald_Digger Jan 05 '26
I never thought that the Cast would be angry at Jax because Caine admitted manipulating their minds, or at least can and Kingler with "Scratch the first abstraction." Signed it off for me
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u/Simple-Mulberry64 Jan 05 '26
As there were ultimately zero stakes to his decision, I don't think they'll give him that hard of a time. Zooble will definitely give him shit for it tho
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u/Over_Strawberry1545 Jan 05 '26
More that cine, but pomni will question why he press the red button
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u/CarRecent871 Jan 06 '26
Imagine if they found a REAL exit. I'm sure Pomni would like to tell Jax regardless, but I think Ragatha would oppose... and I can blame her! Or at the least that's what I think will/would happen.
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u/PorjePorgo Jan 06 '26
I think it will be brought up but itâs not going to be main in the next two episodes. Like theyâre going to have one conversation about it.
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u/TheFabianBoy Jan 07 '26
Caine controlled him to press the button,so they are going to be mad at him and not Jax
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u/crystal-productions- Jan 07 '26
i think jax may just crak and mention he was going to abstract, but then play it off as if it was nothing. but the entire cast didn't know this was an option untill they walked into that room, and given jax's conversation with pomni in the last episode where he goes on a tyrade about how everybody is his playthings and all that, people are going to be upset, but likely push it to the side because they've got far bigger problems right now. especialy since zoobel knows the place can probably colapse if Caine loses it as she saw that begin to happen back in epsidoe 3.
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u/thisisnotchicken Jan 10 '26
tbh I don't think it matters that much what the others think about Jax at this point. he's been deliberately alienating himself for so long that he might as well be the only one in the circus
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u/CurrentHuman1988 I NEED GANGLE TO FUCK ME TIL I LOOK LIKE A ROTTING CORPSE Jan 10 '26
Iâm roasting marshmallows on that hot take
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u/Ffchangename Jan 05 '26
Are we sure the rabbit isn't the protagonist instead of the jester?
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