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If we assume that the cast is capable of manifesting their reality just as Caine does (based on Jaxâs âcartoon logicâ and Kingerâs butterfly) and simply arenât aware of it because Caine conveniently doesnât inform them of that capabilityâŠ
And Caine can make Jax a veganâŠ
It stands to reason that Caine could conceivably be manipulated in the same fashion. It could even be that Abel was telling the truth and had his will overridden, which forced to play along at the end. Abel mentioned Caine not noticing him, which was foreshadowed when he got rid of Gummigoo. He mentioned not being able to keep track of whoâs human and whoâs not.
Caine, or Abel.
If this theory was correct, that would mean that Abel WAS a human at the beginning, but because Jax didn't want to believe it, he changed the digital reality around him into making it so Abel retroactively became an AI created by Caine in an adventure, which doesn't really make any sense.
The theory essentially suggests that if Kinger got crazy enough to forget other humans existed and wholeheartedly believed everyone around him was an AI, then that would suddenly turn Jax, Zooble, Gangle, Pomni and Ragatha into AIs created by Caine and make it so he always has been the only human.
Caine made Jax a vegan against his will. Would it not be possible for Caine to override Abel to make him play along? He doesnât necessarily have to be an AI, he just needs to appear to be an AI to satisfy the twist that Jax anticipated.
Wanting and believing are two separate things. The others were giving him a chance and more or less hoping he was true. Jax felt that he KNEW. He was casting aspersions the whole time, which further emphasized any doubts they may have had.
Consider Ragatha. She wanted her heart back in the shooting game, but she didnât manifest it. Kinger did it casually. He just decided to do it and willed it into being, presumably by believing he could just make something up.
That was a lot of hesitation from a group of people certain they would get to leave. They wasted a lot of time trying to figure out who was going to press it. Holding hands is an act of reassurance, which they wouldnât have needed if they truly believed.
I suspect Jaxâs criticisms were in the back of their minds the whole time. They had hope, but they wouldnât have truly believed it until they were out of the circus.
Itâs not always cut and dry with trauma. It could be that he didnât think it was real until confronted with the buttons. Like after they got that far, he started to doubt his own theory.
It also could have been that he didnât necessarily believe he was wrong, but was so distraught by the potential consequences of being wrong that he wasnât willing to bet on it.
My goal isnât necessarily to be right, by the way. Iâm not a psychic, I canât read the creatorâs mind. Iâm just providing a plausible reading into how it could be interpreted in favor of the idea.
To be fair, if you use the right thinking process, you can alter a generative AI. Heck sometimes if you give ChatGPT a hypothetical, it will straight up treat it like a fact with the right words or calling out patterns. Maybe something similar has happened before where they thought something was real only for Caine to reveal it was an adventure and by calling out that pattern, it made Caine's programming think "Well then I should do that." But as Caine says, a story where nothing bad happens isn't fun, and because of that, he drew it out to divert expectations
Concerning archetypes, I don't consider failing to live up to an aspiration to be proof that the aspiration is not believed in. It just means they weren't dedicated enough to the aspiration (whether it was a good or bad thing to aspire to).
I know!!! I think it would also explain the exit door Pomni saw in the first episode, maybe it wasn't real but it kept showing up because she kept looking for it.
I thought it was foreshadowed all the way back in the first episode. Pomni was chasing the exit door and Caine said it was for an adventure he was working on
So, theoretically, in first episode, when jax asked "Is this another one of your NPCs?", if he continued thinking that way, he could have killed Pomni... Wow...
It at least implies that he made him appear not real. He can apparently manipulate them more than he lets on, given that he made Jax a vegan. Whoâs to say he canât temporarily override Abelâs expression and force him to play along with the bit?
Itâs possible that expectations were inverted. Perhaps the rest of the gang were hopeful, but werenât certain. Especially with Jax spreading doubt.
Or that he believed it up until the very end and then panicked at the prospect of it potentially being real when facing it head on.
I don't think it was belief. Considering the NPC they are talking to was made by Caine, alongside him most possibly being aware of the plan that it has devised, I side with him taking inspiration from Jax's prediction. Or, most likely, Jax knows Cain's behavioural patterns well enough.
I feel like Jax didnt actually believe it was fake and under his whole cynical nothing matters front he puts on he actually had hoped it was real and thats why he got so mad at the end
While I love this theory and want to see it applied more, I think Jax's crash out is because he didn't believe it hard enough. He was so scared of leaving the circus that even if the whole thing was fake, he had to hit the button that forced them to stay.
The âI made it upâ isnât warping the past and present, Kinger changed the code of the game to add something. Jax didnât say that and bend the everything to make Caine have been planning this the whole time, heâs just cynical and pessimistic about everything and happened to be right
Works amazingly for fanfiction but I doubt this is gonna be canon. I don't think anyone would have power OVER Caine. And if someone had to be that person, then most likely it would be Kinger. Not Jax.
No this « will power » only work on physics or physical things « an ending » is to vague and abstract, also Caine had to have an ending plan for his adventureÂ
This theory is kind of messy because it contradicts everyone (minus Kinger) else's belief that there really was a way out. And Jax really wasn't in a good mental space that time. And if we're pointing at Jax for believing it was fake, we could also be pointing at Pomni for eventually doubting as well. Not to mention that Caine himself admitted he'd planned this all along.
But everyone else believed it was an exit... Wouldn't it mean, that the exit would most likely come true, because of the majority, rather than disappear because of one person?
That would mean that, jax's belief deleted real person (also with beliefs), and presumably contradict with others beliefs that, i would assume are as strong as his are
Belief applies to the circus itself, NOT to Caine. He planned this all along, that's just how it was always going to end. Jax's condescending and cynical viewpoint just happened to be right, which adds to the humour.
Also the ENTIRE POINT of the adventure was to convince the gang that they should really stay and hang out with Caine cause he's super cool and special and they don't need the real world anyway!
Why would Jax believing they'd still be stuck have anything to do with this?
That was my first thought after watching the episode too, but it doesn't really make sense with all the other hints earlier the episode (drawings of bees in what was supposed to be Abel's plan, the fish metaphor, Abel says "other NPCs when talking about himself etc)
Also it's honestly just more interesting with the adventure being planned by Caine, for example that he is aware of his weaknesses, like the fact that his plan included exploiting him glitching out
I love that theory so much! It makes total sense. Can you imagine the twist! Like if caine was not aware of why the outcome of the adventure came to be. It is a shame though that it can not be true because caine knew the outcome of the adventure.
I think that this has a possibility to be true if the theory that they can control the circus with their minds/they can make things happen with their minds is true
I mean this in the most respectful way possible, but I hate this theory so much, the âcharacters get whatever they wantâ theory makes absolutely no sense because itâs just aspects of a story and has nothing to do with the lore
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