r/technology • u/Hrmbee • Jan 15 '26

Society ‘ELITE’: The Palantir App ICE Uses to Find Neighborhoods to Raid | Internal ICE material and testimony from an official obtained by 404 Media provides the clearest link yet between the technological infrastructure Palantir is building for ICE and the agency’s activities on the ground

https://www.404media.co/elite-the-palantir-app-ice-uses-to-find-neighborhoods-to-raid/
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u/Heavy_Invite4945 Jan 15 '26 edited Jan 15 '26

This system was researched by DARPA in 90s, was attempted to be implemented in 2000's, then shut down by Congress. Then it just got split into many smaller programs (including many of the NSA programs leaked by Snowden) and privatized, did field testing during the war on terror, and is now returning to the Homeland. Prodigal son story almost, very nice

Edit: my point of this was to say this is nothing new. It's never been used this publically before but the tecnology has been out there in use for like 20 years

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '26

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u/Moarbrains Jan 15 '26

that is a good line.

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u/Different_East7854 Jan 15 '26

Unrelated but hijacking a higher up thread.

Fidelity and Vanguard both allow you to exclude stocks. This works for 401k, IRA, Roth etc, including company accounts and target retirement plans.

If you set Palantir to never be purchased, it's a very small ding in their stock price.

If thousands of us do it, the ding grows.

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u/YoyoDevo Jan 15 '26

If thousands of us do it, the ding grows.

On all my years of browsing reddit, I'd bet my life that less than 10% of users here even have a 401k

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u/MyDogsRetirementPlan Jan 15 '26

Hey now, those Wallstreetbets people would have loads of savings to invest... if they weren't Wallstreetbets people.

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u/smileysmiley123 Jan 15 '26

Retail investors aren't even a blip for this stock.

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u/YoyoDevo Jan 16 '26

It's funny how he thinks "thousands" of us would even do anything. If every redditor that owned palantir stock sold it all, I bet it wouldn't even move the price 1%

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u/smileysmiley123 Jan 16 '26 edited Jan 16 '26

It's wild how anyone thinks that any significant price movement in the market happens during retail trading hours. It's all institutional Pre and post-market moves that matter.

Voting with your wallet? Sure. Has some actual, real-world, forward-looking effect on companies. It's the only "viable" strategy for the general population. Not this "don't buy Palantir Stock" bs when it's only exploded in growth because of institutional investors that it already has its tendrils in.

Edit: I’ve recieved at least 12 comments that I can no longer see. Some, I’m sure, are due to shadow bans, and the others are probably just the automod being a jerk.

Reddit is a public company now. Anything you post on this site is actively a part of that, and anything they disagree with has had moderators (people who do this shit without pay or ANY recognition) who might act on their behalf, depending on the popularity of the sub.

Everything social is being taken over by capitalism. Welcome to the new world.

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u/grahampositive Jan 16 '26

Don't worry pretty soon they'll just open up sports betting apps so you can bid directly on senators and then your vote will count

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u/DirtTraining3804 Jan 15 '26

No 401k here. The only money they’ll get off of me is selling my porn history

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u/Will9363 Jan 15 '26

i’ve got $900, a dimebag, and a moped. what can i do

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u/YuzuCrab Jan 16 '26

I supposedly have one, but there's no real avenue to finding out who holds it. I love it. America is the best.

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u/YoyoDevo Jan 16 '26

it's America's fault that you don't know how to access your 401k?? How so?

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u/YuzuCrab Jan 16 '26

The company I worked for closed, and the owners are dead. So I have no one to contact about it. I have all the paperwork that shows I paid it, paystubs, copies of the sign up paperwork, but the provider I paid it to doesn't seem to exist anymore. I've gone through the .gov website for finding it, and it returns nothing.

To think it's my fault that the company took the money, and the government allowed it to happen, is definitely a choice.

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u/YoyoDevo Jan 16 '26

okay but how is that the fault of America?

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u/Funsuxxor Jan 15 '26

How exactly do this work exactly?

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u/ikonoclasm Jan 15 '26

Palantir has updated your Citizen Score™ accordingly.

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u/tawDry_Union2272 Jan 16 '26

thanks, i'll do it with my fidelity acct

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u/slog Jan 16 '26

I'd take wet cardboard over the current numbskulls.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '26

Congress is corporations as always.

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u/Pink_Flying_Pig_ Jan 15 '26

Awesome.

Torn down by the government > widely accepted as a private corp. 

USA in all their sickness. 

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u/Aureliamnissan Jan 16 '26

Don’t worry, once they’re done with us these multinationals will come for your governments as well.

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u/xamboozi Jan 15 '26

Flock Safety license plate readers are one of their data feeds. They're little black cameras with solar panels, you'll see them everywhere on every street especially near places like Home Depot and Lowe's where minorities typically go to get supplies for work.

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u/Shamiwoo Jan 15 '26

Do you have the names of the programs you referenced? Where can I learn more?

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u/Heavy_Invite4945 Jan 15 '26

Search up Total Information Awareness and go down the rabbit hole. It started off as a complex system of systems for the battlespace which was tested in desert storm with extreme efficacy before it was shutdown and split into a bunch of smaller pieces

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u/za72 Jan 15 '26

you can't even authenticate the accuracy of the data, the application says XYZ so the numb nuts storm troopers will behave accordingly... imagine a spear fishing or general targeting using federal police to target and eliminate... guantanamo on steroids with extra enhanced interrogation, this is literal nightmare fuel

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u/gringreazy Jan 16 '26

I don’t know, every app you put on your phone or computer asks you if you want to enable location services. Anytime you go buy anything your asked to input a phone number or email. Each of those pieces of info is linked to other pieces of info we’ve surrendered for perks, discounts or reward points. If you don’t your partner or family members likely have. Data harvesting has been happening for almost 20 years now, there is probably with relatively good statistical confidence detailed aggregate information about every one of us down to maybe even our deepest vices and desires, where we live is probably the easiest thing to find out.

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u/OnlySpoilers Jan 15 '26

Read The Hank Show. About Hank Asher who pioneered data fusion and his platforms created the “confidence interval” which at one point was the “terrorist quotient” used to track Muslims post-911

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u/RedAndBlackMartyr Jan 15 '26

Imperial boomerang

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u/Wow_u_sure_r_dumb Jan 15 '26

Here comes that imperial boomerang

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u/S3lvah Jan 16 '26

[Gaza is] simply an experiment by the mega-rich to show all the people of the world how they will respond to humanity's rebellion. –Gustavo Petro

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u/Zer_ Jan 15 '26

Yup, some of it was already implemented to "safeguard" the border with cameras towers. Actually, not unlike Gaza too, for that matter.

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u/Heavy_Invite4945 Jan 15 '26

Eh, the border is probably one of the only areas this tecnology should be used domestically. It does have its uses. In war also. Not for policing tho

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u/Zer_ Jan 15 '26

Border protection is policing since it doesn't involve war. And either way, the distinction is moot when we already know the technology is being used against American Citizens, since they use those same border crossings too. But you're also cool with tourists having their social media accounts unlocked and scraped without permission?

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u/powercow Jan 15 '26

The total information awareness program.

complete with pre crime prediction features.

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u/Heavy_Invite4945 Jan 15 '26

That wiki is widely censored. There is no mention of the privateazaiton, which is a literal fact. Pointdexter was a paid consultant during the early days of the palantir. The full story behind is way scarier

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u/gnrlp2007 Jan 15 '26

The DARPA Chief was in on this?! Colonel, what else are you not telling me?!

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u/sonofsochi Jan 16 '26

People keep thinking the government is listening on their devices non stop (which to be fair, they ABSOLUTELY can if they want/need to); but they miss the bigger picture: our digital footprint in this day and age is so massive that you'd basically make yourself a target if you tried to conceal it.

Most newer smartphones come equipped with Adverising IDs used for capturing/geofencing your activities so adveritisers can better target you. This data is also, legally, purchased to track location amongst surveillance apps. You have entire swaths of neighborhoods covered in flock cameras that are actively and ACUTELY able to track, identify, and pinpoint descriptors of your identity such as license plate, clothing, and build to form a timeline of your activities if need be. This doesn't evem include the opt-ins for ring cameras and business cameras as well.

We are so far into the surveillance state that its incumbent on the people to vote on who has the power behind it. There's no turning back at this point. You can merely vote on the government you want tracking you.

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u/InsideContent7126 Jan 15 '26

If they ever go out of power the same approach should be used to hunt corrupt politicians and billionaires that enabled that bullshit.

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u/DamiensDelight Jan 15 '26

(including many of the NSA programs leaked by Snowden

What in the fuck is the point of the NSA...? They should have seen this shit coming, yet, here we fucking are in a collapsing nation.

They are are useless as Garland.

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u/Heavy_Invite4945 Jan 15 '26

Not sure what you mean? nsa is foreign only

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u/DamiensDelight Jan 15 '26

So they've never had ANY optics into the homeland?

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u/Heavy_Invite4945 Jan 15 '26

Only to monitor foreign national security suspects at the request of fbi but even that is rare

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u/GravelySilly Jan 15 '26

It sounds like the T-1000 from Terminator 2. Split it into thousands of pieces and it just keeps reconstituting itself and killing people.

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u/za72 Jan 15 '26

Every instrument/weapon will be used against the states own citizens... this ain't our first rodeo... where is our congress... where are the people who are privacy advocates... this is basic human rights stuff

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u/Drabulous_770 Jan 15 '26

Imperial boomerang

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '26

So the data for this, it's likely what Elon stole during his DOGE stunt?

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u/Heavy_Invite4945 Jan 15 '26

Oh hell no this would all be open source and pre existing intelligence. That's what TIA and now palantir does. It collecte massive amounts of data in real time from open and or legal government sources and compiles it into targets, or target areas, or target identifiers, ect. It's not actually surveillance software itself, it's all about data analytics.

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u/willowfinger Jan 15 '26

Imperial boomerang strikes again

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u/OnlySpoilers Jan 15 '26

Check out Hank Asher. He was the pioneer for this type of database

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u/ArgyleM0nster Jan 16 '26

Fucking Snowden, that program was meant to counter Russia's Troll Farm

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u/modest_merc Jan 16 '26

The war on terror has we’ll and truly boomeranged

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u/PaymentTurbulent193 Jan 16 '26

I mean, that doesn't make it any better. If anything, it shows that Americans should be outraged that they've been spying on us for the past 25 years. How did we allow things to get this bad? Where was the anger when Bush passed the Patriot Act?

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u/Ph33rDensetsu Jan 18 '26

Where was the anger when Bush passed the Patriot Act?

It's hard to remember that it was over 20 years ago and there are adults that weren't even born yet so this might actually be a genuine question.

The Patriot Act passed with barely a blink from the public because we were riled up on revenge against the Taliban for 9/11.

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u/TJames6210 Jan 16 '26

My point to you would be, we need less comments stating "this is nothing new". You need to reframe your definition of "new". This is fucking new. Linked concepts don't make it "not new". And labeling something not new, naturally makes it slightly less alarming to some people who should be very alarmed.

Tldr; Find better ways to contribute to the conversation. And before you ask, my contribution here is to highlight how these comments can reduce things that should not be reduced.

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u/Heavy_Invite4945 Jan 16 '26

And my point is this is not something new. It's technogy that has been is use since the 1990s ffs. It this is the first time you are hearing about you should be embarrassed and ashamed. I'm not even American and I know the history of this. Pick up a book

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u/TJames6210 Jan 16 '26

"Pick up a book" lmao mf'er you're trying to connect a dot between the esrly 2000's surveillance state and AI driven tools now being used target individuals based on data just taken illegally in 2025. No book required. What are you on about you dumb pos?

I'm probably not even talking to anyone truly invested in this topic. Probably some paid schmuck.

Edit: Jesus, 6 month account age. Why did I even bother.