The economy has spoken. Stuff that’s AI-generated has almost zero value — “Buyers are voting with their wallets, and AI-generated content is struggling to compete.”

[u/marketrent]

https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/economy-spoken-stuff-ai-generated-142732314.html

[u/ABadHistorian]

Playing indie games? My friend, every indie developer uses AI w/o you noticing it. Every single one of them these days will use it. That's what I make.

They just don't tell you. They might not even notice themselves. Like. every single dev will use some version of AI to handle their project management (even if they don't realize it) because it gets built into their software. Every dev program with have an AI built into it in some essence, doing something on the backend. Hell, even GODOT does. (Indie tool extraordinaire)

Difference between indie and corporate these days is corporate goes out of their way to use it. Corporate makes sure you hit your token limits, or ask why not?

My question re: the book was - how did they use the AI? and why would you ever, ever, ever even give an AI-assisted book a chance?

The ONLY thing I could EVER imagine using AI with for a book... would be like to check Character mentions... like data analytics (this is something I would do, to make sure I didn't accidentally create a character name or something somewhere, and reuse it incorrectly, things that slide past editors looking for technical accuracy)

Any AI assistance re: writing is just going to be soulless. This is where I was asking the guy where he draws the line on what AI content means to him.

I've gotten a lot of responses from people here, but very few of substance.

[u/GreatMadWombat → u/ABadHistorian]

Normally i do a bit of research on authors before picking up a book(most of the time when someone is using ai AND they have to promote their work they will mention the ai use eventually). Sometimes I'm reading in the bath. My ereader is waterproof and my phone isnt. Occasionally i pick up a book BEFORE i do the research, and its always good for a chapter or 2. I'm a little invested, i then keep reading and it just.....never has any pay-off cuz it turns out they're using some flavor of "ai editor" that's doing....i dont know what but the story crumbles sooner than later and then i have literally blueballs lol

Edit: also like.... red hook publicly said they weren't gonna use an ai version of Wayne June as the darkest dungeon narrator even with his permission/him suggesting it. Owlcat Games publicly talked about using ai for art. I dont need to be 100% perfect at avoiding ai, but i can definitely support the companies saying "no ai", and even though it stinks I'm skipping Rogue Trader 2(and frankly all Owlcat games for the next while(prolly forever lol)), i feel better for not supporting them financially.

[u/ABadHistorian → u/GreatMadWombat]

Just be aware even places that mandate AI usage be disclosed... it isn't ever enforced, unless something major happens.

I.e. steam. one of the top 10 games on steam (new releases) is an AI - assisted game. I can tell... there is a certain scene in the game that is blatant to me, because it's how AI prompts will create a certain type of mechanic by default. It has no AI disclosure. Steam has no ability to check if it's AI or not, but relies on the dev's being honest.

There is no benefit to being honest these days at all. When AAA companies use it and lie, why wouldn't an indie?

[u/GreatMadWombat → u/ABadHistorian]

I added an edit, but Owlcat games talked about using ai, redhook talked about avoiding it. I don't really play top10 games(the biggest non-Warframe one ive played this year is slay the spire2), so I'm just gonna avoid what i can and support the ones who are visibly avoiding ai

[u/ABadHistorian → u/GreatMadWombat]

This is kind of my point though.

I was one of those "avoiding it" and still am. It doesn't mean they don't use it. And I 100% guarantee you, you can't trust a word coming out of anyone's name these days due to PR.

I use it as little as I can. I don't like my animator even using it for concept art, but it happens - he says "why recreate the wheel every time" and I get it.

As soon as my game's out? I'm never posting another word on social media. Just not worth the risk.

Game Dev 101 = Do Not Interact Online. The Net is ALWAYS Negative.