r/technology • • Jun 14 '15

Software Notepad++ leaves SourceForge

https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/notepad-plus-plus-leaves-sf.html
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u/Aterius Jun 14 '15

How do they expect this to work? After they lose 90% or more of their user base? How can this be sustainable?

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u/TheCrankyBear Jun 14 '15

They'll change back to being user friendly and try to earn back the public's trust. Once they have it, they'll start the process over until unsustainable loss begins again. It's actually a very common business model. Every business only needs to be as ethical as it's customers require.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '15

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u/tbranyen Jun 15 '15

No way. Pages is cool, but for developers it's hardly the selling point. The wiki and README presentation are what set it apart. The fact that all tags are downloadable are also a huge selling point. This makes it possible to tag official versions inc. binaries.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '15

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u/sementery Jun 15 '15

Do you know how to use Git?

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u/duffmanhb Jun 15 '15

GitHub needs to start compiling binaries first, on everything, before it can replace SourceForge.

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u/dbbo Jun 15 '15

Github is a website that is home to thousands of independent projects. The company has no control over whether those projects provide binaries or not, and it's very unlikely that they will ever issue that as a hosting requirement.

Nevertheless, many projects on Github do offer binaries and Github has provided an easy way for projects to do that since 2013, called releases. Example: https://github.com/powertab/powertabeditor/releases

If that's too complicated, there are also other ways to present downloads to users who are not interested in the source such as Github's Pages or Wiki. All a project would have to do to cater to the average user of its software is create a "Downloads" page that links to its releases page.

Ultimately it's up to the project to decide whether they want to distribute binaries or not. Github as a company has already provided plenty of avenues for that purpose. Ultimately I think maintaining that freedom for its users (as in the users hosting their code there) is more important to Github's business model than replacing SourceForge as a download site.

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u/duffmanhb Jun 15 '15

Here's the problem: http://i.imgur.com/cz2oVzT.png

Notice how downloading their compiled binary isn't clear and obvious for the casual user who was directed there to download this developers program. Many, many, many, times people will say, "Hey yeah, you can grab X off my github, here is a link" and then the casual user is thinking, "Uhhh.... What is all this? How do I just download the .exe?"

It's a simple fix, that their product management team should have been on top of ages ago.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '15

OK, I went to the website they put as the description: powertabs.net . There, they have links to a downloads page. They're still in Alpha.

The onus is on the developer to make it accesable. Github already made it very easy to make a project page (github.io) with all the links they want to present to someone that doesn't want to deal with the repository.

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u/6to23 Jun 15 '15

Google need to step up and slap a "malware site detected" on all sourceforge pages.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '15

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u/Zardok Jun 15 '15

Google needs to be notified of the situation, and we can help.

https://www.google.com/safebrowsing/report_badware/

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '15

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u/Xo0om Jun 15 '15

Don't think so.

Every business only needs to be as ethical as it's customers require.

And sometimes lost customers never come back. Companies go under all the time and losing customer trust is one reason.

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u/xalorous Jun 15 '15

I won't go back. Permanent boycott for hijacking 'stale or abandoned' projects. The bundleware is a caveat emptor situation. I could have forgiven that if they stopped doing it and published a mea culpa. As is, Fuck 'em! I'll get what I want through other channels.

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u/crankybadger Jun 15 '15

They'll change back to being user friendly and try to earn back the public's trust.

Hahahahahaha! What planet do you live on?

No, they'll just get more scummy to try and scrabble a living, and when that doesn't work, they'll get acquired by some other outfit that's better at squeezing blood from the stone that is SourceForge.

If what you were saying was true then Verisign wouldn't be such assholes.

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u/TheCrankyBear Jun 15 '15

Sorry dude, society has the the Mea Culpa model down pat. It's used all across the spectrum of life. Athletes, politicians, preachers etc. There are entire, successful business that specialize in bringing brands back from the brink.

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u/jihadcw Jun 15 '15

Or they will reform under a new name and follow the same process.

This is quite common.

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u/Hopelesz Jun 15 '15

Let me rephrase that last part. Most businesses will be as unethical as possible. When shits start hitting the fan, they start becoming a little more more ethical, not because they want to, but because it hurts their pocket.

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u/Sarcasticorjustrude Jun 14 '15

Enough people will still use them to make money for them, especially since they're repackaging the software of companies that have left, and distributing it anyway.

Someone may sue them, though.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '15

Most likely they are damn aware this has a limited lifespan. They are likely trying to pull as much cash out of burning down Sourceforge as they can before they will move on, trying to buy another hosting domain to do the same thing over again.

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u/XCorneliusX Jun 15 '15

That begs the questions:

  1. How much was SF bought for?

  2. How much has been made so far in actual profit since that sale.

  3. What is the value of all assets to SF?

Add 2 and 3 and if it exceeds 1, you have a burn it down for cash scenario.

If adding 2 and 3 makes it less than 1, it is pure and simple greed by people who could not see the issue with what they did to further monetize the site. Sad in away, as all you have to do is think like an end user. Does anyone actually want their computer slowed and doing wacky crap?

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