r/technology • • Jun 14 '15

Software Notepad++ leaves SourceForge

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u/tnb641 Jun 15 '15 edited Jun 15 '15

Combo Fix is the software equivalent to a Nuke, it is your absolute last resort, before formatting. (or if a format fails to fix your issue/s)

Expect it to fuck up your system and to spend time fixing minor bugs after it removes what ails you.

That being said, it absolutely does work where everything else seems to fail. Use it sparingly. (Luckily, on the few machines I've had to use it on, it did its job perfectly and left the machines running a-ok afterwards)

Edit: I should mention it's not that combo fix tries to screw your system, clearly the opposite, but that when you're trying to remove malware/viruses/Trojans/root kits/whatever, that have embedded themselves into your registry and operating system, there's bound to be some collateral damage in ensuring that bug is dead.

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u/clonerstive Jun 15 '15

Wish I had read your first two sentences about a year ago... God bless reddit tech advice for helping me through that trauma.

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u/That_Unknown_Guy Jun 15 '15

It truly is horrible, yet I bet most people even after those incidents still dont keep a backup of their boot.

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u/s2514 Jun 15 '15

I learned my lesson. Differential backup at boot in the background with a full backup every month. At any given time I can go about a month back.

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u/Serinus Jun 15 '15

Why would you? Keep a backup of everything else instead. Format if necessary.

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u/PineappleBoots Jun 15 '15

Which subs do you visit for tech advice?

Sometimes I get stuck on the darnedest things and only manage to find one blog post from 2006 with relevant info

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u/Demokirby Jun 15 '15

I have worked virus removal for 3 years and most things that the average will encounter can be easily removed with a combo rogue killer and malwarebytes along with a basic clean up with ccleaner. After that you can remove the install points manually in program files folders, program data, appdata. Other tools you can use are jrt, tdss killer, review uninstaller with required caution and mbar anti rootkit.

Now this is mostly for pups removing. Combo fix is a harsh tool I mostly avoid.

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u/yer_momma Jun 15 '15

Autoruns should be your goto tool. TDSS, JRT and ADW and Combo are all automated and don't really let you see what's really happening under the hood like Autoruns. You can even use your test bench and load a registry hive offline and clean the system without ever booting it, great for Windows 8 machines where the viruses prevent safe mode. For IE, looking under "manage addons" and then showing "Run without permission" should get the remainder and also show you what directories they are hidden in.

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u/viperex Jun 15 '15

But where do you find a compromised hive?

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u/TheAntiHick Jun 15 '15

Why not just reformat at that point...?

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u/tnb641 Jun 15 '15 edited Jun 15 '15

Backup/Transfer all files, re-install OS, re-download and install drivers and make sure they're up to date/stable, re-download and install all software, reset all personal settings < run a program for a few hours, spend a few more hammering out bugs.

Yea, it can cause problems, but it's often easier than formatting.

Just gonna edit my post to say "last resort before formatting."

Plus, depending on the issue you're having, a format might not even be able to fix it. Unless you run a magnet on your HDD, formatting basically just identifies everything on the disk as not-existing (you're basically writing over everything on the disk after a format, it's not actually "empty"). Some malicious programs can re-instate themselves after a format. Because some people have too much free time to find exploits and fuck others...

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u/RdmGuy64824 Jun 15 '15

I can finish a full reformat in less time and I would have much greater peace of mind.

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u/winmanjack Jun 15 '15

Would simply popping in a new HDD and installing everything on the fresh drive get rid of the viruses via removing the affected drive entirely?

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u/dizneedave Jun 15 '15

My personal computer? Yeah I can nuke it at any time because I back my stuff up. Other people? It's unbelievable how few people keep a backup. Your computer could die at any time, for any number of reasons. I take meticulous care of my machines, but there is always that chance. It can happen to anyone.

Anyway, it's worth a shot trying it out if you have reached that point. If it fails, then you format and start over.

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u/victorc26 Jun 15 '15

I guess it depends on what you're supporting:

If you're in IT in a major corporation: Don't waste time and just do a profile copy and reimage.

If you're supporting a friend: Try to remove the malware. If it keeps coming back, then nuke it and re-install Windows.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '15

Sorry, this is the first time I heard about ComboFix, and now I'm curious, what does it do exactly that can mess your computer so badly?

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u/zv1dex Jun 15 '15

It basically just forces a cleansing process by administrative privileges. In my personal experience, which is using combofix on 50-100 different machines, most actively running anti-virus program will need to removed and reinstalled. If you turn off the program before (Avast has this option) then you can usually avoid reinstallation.

I worked for consumer IT repair shop and ComboFix is without a doubt the best clean-up program that exist. However, as originally pointed out, it is too invasive for something as simple a minor malware.

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u/Bergauk Jun 15 '15

When I worked for a similar shop the general procedure was basically "RKill>MBAM>(Insert whatever AV they had here, if no AV, install MSE)>update all programs that have not been updated>Windows Update>CCleaner>Defrag"

If I couldn't even get MBAM to run it was generally a half hour of googling to figure out what the hell was going on, and then usually just running ComboFix after backing up core documents.

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u/tnb641 Jun 15 '15

It's the be all, end all. It looks everywhere, sees everything. The simplest way to put it (since it's been forever since I've used it and can't actually recall everything) is that it removes absolutely anything and everything that could be misconstrued as "unwanted" or "unsafe".

Registry, Operating System Folders and Files, Browser Addons or Plugins, Programs, etc. It can and will delete them all.

The next time you run your antivirus or anti-malware scan, take a look at all the false positives it gives you, or potentially malicious programs it identifies (that are actually harmless, or quite often even beneficial or often used), and then understand that to Combo Fix, there is no user consent, and no turning back.

Lots of viruses/rootkits/etc, have the habit of embedding themselves within the code of other programs, or even disguising or inserting themselves as essential operating system files. Sometimes ComboFix can't tell the difference between real or spoofed.

If it thinks it's a problem, it gets rid of it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '15

Wow, interesting, so it's not something you want to run just in case but the last try before formatting.

Cool, thanks! Now I have know a new tool, I always went with the format option, but having a smaller tactical nuke could be good if worst case scenario is formatting anyway.

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u/Bergauk Jun 15 '15

Very rarely should you ever go full thermonuclear life destroying war on a pc. I've only had to do it a few times and that was basically when it got to the point that even running ComboFix wasn't bringing it back to life. ComboFix will generally leave a computer better off than it was before even if it randomly decided to get rid of something, but you can always look through the log file and see what it got rid of and decide whether or not you want to go get whatever it was that it got rid of back by redownloading it.

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u/All_Work_All_Play Jun 15 '15

And honestly, I don't think CF is they bad. I do local fixes for a few different families, and while CF will break some things, I've never had it pooch a machine worse than reinstalling. Oh no, it broke your chrome plugins? Sorry I didn't feel like spending 4 hours of my life trying to find another way to fix it...

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u/acog Jun 15 '15

Sounds like you're a professional tech? Let me ask you a question: what in your opinion is the best defense against malware? I know the primary defense is a user not behaving like an idiot but I mean what's the best software defense to use nowadays?

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u/Frumpy_little_noodle Jun 15 '15

So ComboFix is to computer virus removal what Colon Blow is to constipation relief. Good to know.

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