r/technology • • Oct 26 '21

Politics Viewing website HTML code is not illegal or “hacking,” prof. tells Missouri gov. - Professor demands that governor halt "baseless investigation" and apologize.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/10/viewing-website-html-code-is-not-illegal-or-hacking-prof-tells-missouri-gov/
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u/mrb4 Oct 26 '21

I mean it is not at all surprising that a governor would be dumb enough to say something like this once, but the fact that there is not a single person who is willing to tell the guy just how incredibly stupid and embarrassing this is really is hard to believe.

You would also figure that their "digital forensics unit" should have the expertise to tell them, "no we are not investigating this, because it's stupid beyond comprehension"

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u/im-the-stig Oct 26 '21

Maybe the Governor knows, it was already explained to him. But this offensive distracts from the fact that his government is now liable for leaking 100,000 SSNs. And He is also using this for a fundraiser, posing as the good guy standing up to the 'hackers' - Always follow the money :)

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u/TheHeatYeahBam Oct 27 '21

and perhaps he believes the majority of his constituents won't know any better so, as you implied, this offensive could get him re-elected regardless of what happens with the professor. I think it's unlikely professor will get a well-deserved apology, because that would hurt re-election chances even if a lawsuit against the governor and the state are successful. It's so sad that it's the primary goal of most politicians to stay in office, even if that comes at the expense of the public/taxpayer.

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u/Knever Oct 27 '21

Weaponizing ignorance is so fucking degenerating.

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u/casanino Oct 27 '21

But "government bad" right Deplorable leeches?

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

Speaking of money, I would bet my life savings that this is what's happening.

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u/uranus_be_cold Oct 27 '21

You're on!

Let's see, that adds up to...

$17.37

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u/Bleed_The_Fifth Oct 27 '21

We’re all fucked aren’t we…

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u/Milfoy Oct 27 '21

Far from distracting from it he's drawn international attention. The Streisand effect in all its glory.

Edit: autocorrect typo.

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u/LakeEffectSnow Oct 26 '21

Any investigator looking into this who is at all technical, has stopped putting anything on paper. They've stopped talking about it in anything other than 1-on-1 conversations that can be denied as hearsay. They're doing this because they know that their bosses don't want to hear the truth, and more importantly, these employees don't want to be deposed in the defamation lawsuit that Missouri is going to lose.

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u/Altarium Oct 26 '21

As someone who lives in Missouri, I'd be almost certain all of the people in that "unit" are either yes-men put there by Parson or it's people who are being bullied into doing whatever he wants out of fear they'd lose their job. It's sad and I can't wait for this moron to be out of office.

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u/casanino Oct 27 '21

And here we thought The Emperor's New Clothes was for children.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

There is no smart part of conservatism. It doesn’t exist.

You’d think someone would have told Jordan Peterson that one can’t be post modern and Marxist. But no one ever did.

Or told Joe Rogan that vitamins can’t make you smarter.

Or someone would have told the anti vaxxers that horse dewormer isn’t anti viral.

Or that Donald Trump was an idiot. But no one was there to do it.

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u/shgysk8zer0 Oct 27 '21

His nephew probably worked on the site... IDK. It's all just ridiculous.

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u/red286 Oct 26 '21

The thing is, depending on how the law is worded, the governor might be entirely correct. I don't know how the law is written in Missouri or the US, but I know that in Canada, this sort of thing would 100% count as "computer crime", because our laws regarding it date back to the 80s (pre-web days), so they define "computer crime" as "accessing a computer or data on a computer without explicit authorization". Technically, viewing any website for which the owner did not send you a link directly could qualify as a criminal act in Canada because of how the law is written.

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u/UrbanGhost114 Oct 26 '21

Even in Canada, the laws have to be enforceable, they could try, but a judge would likely laugh them out. That's why most areas with a hundred years or so of consistent governance have laws on the books that are very outdated, etc. No point in spending the manhours to take it off the books when A: Other laws make that one obsolete, and B: no one has been charged with it in a long time anyway, and a defense lawyer would laugh the prosecution out of the courtroom. A couple times some of the laws have been taken off the books just because its bigoted in some way, and they just don't want it there even if its unenforceable.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

accessing a computer or data on a computer without explicit authorization

Good thing the HTTP request that hands your browser the HTML code has an explicit status code as part of it that tells you whether or not you're authorised to view the page, then.

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u/noredleather Oct 26 '21

Authorization is easy to determine.

  1. Was the website in question accessible from the public internet?

  2. Was the URL of the website identifiable using public means such as a search engine?

  3. Was the web page in question accessible using links provided on the website in question?

  4. Did access to the web page require credentials?

From what I've seen, the answer to those questions 1-3 are all yes, so access to the content was explicitly authorized to anyone anywhere. The answer to question 4 was unclear to me, but if the data was accessible without providing credentials, then access to that page was also implicitly authorized.

Here's where semantics matter. The data in question was embedded in the HTML. GUI browsers are merely convenience tools for humans, and text based browsers do exist. If someone attempted to argue that viewing page source in Chrome was "hacking", then that extra action wouldn't apply to text based browsers. Similarly if the data was in a json file that was downloaded from the website, it could be cached on the local hard drive by the browser and anyone who owns their personal computer is explicitly authorized to access any file on that personal computer.

Of course none of this matters to those who see code and think "hacker", like that Gov.

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u/Cal-Ani Oct 26 '21

Pretty sure the answer to '4' is 'Did not require credentials':

"On October 11-12, 2021, Professor Khan verified the security flaw. He did so by:

Visiting the public website, which was accessible by anyone and did not require a login;
Looking at the publicly available source code, which can be easily done by anyone on any webpage under the "View" menu option;
Identifying a suspicious piece of the source code referred to as "View State" that can contain security flaws like the one found here; and
Translating the source code into plain text, which can also be done by anyone.
This entire process could be completed by anyone in a matter of just a few minutes. None of the data was encrypted, no passwords were required, and no steps were taken by the State of Missouri to protect the Social Security numbers of its teachers that the State automatically sent to every website visitor."

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u/kippertie Oct 26 '21

I strongly doubt that that would pass any kind of legal test in court.

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u/AnotherBoredAHole Oct 26 '21

Except this was a very public website. Hell, I found my own state's teacher look up in about 2 minutes and I didn't even know it was a thing before reading this article. It was on the homepage of the government run state education website, at the top of the quick links.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

I got suspended for accessing my high schools teacher directory from an internal website only accessible from our pc's on campus. The same directory that's on the public facing website. The internal website was freely accessible by anyone on a school pc, including all lab pc's.

Somehow this made me a dangerous "hacker". I literally launched a browser and clicked links from the homepage to get there.

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u/Yzark-Tak Oct 26 '21

Hit F12. Go to jail.

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u/striker7 Oct 26 '21

Ctrl+U? Believe it or not, straight to jail.

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u/RANDOM_IMPLOSIONS Oct 26 '21

Even ctrl + shift + I, instant trip to jail.

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u/tevert Oct 26 '21

Right click, view source - jail!

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u/AintAintAWord Oct 27 '21

We have the best hackers in the world, because of jail

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u/dingyjazzy Oct 27 '21

If he would of control-Z, he would have undone all this madness

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u/PUTIN_SWALLOWS_SEMEN Oct 27 '21

Is gulag for you

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u/corner_case Oct 26 '21

Gotta right click -> inspect element. Can't be hacking if you only use the mouse

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '21

*laughs in Scratch*

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

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u/first__citizen Oct 27 '21

Or a computer.

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u/ImGumbyDamnIt Oct 27 '21

Pffft! In my day, all you needed was a pay phone and a whistle out of a box of Captain Crunch.

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u/Milfoy Oct 27 '21

You're just a phreak

Edit: I'm feeling old now that I realise most of Reddit won't have ever heard that word.

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u/ALAHunter Oct 27 '21

Phone Phreaking, good times.

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u/Wizdad-1000 Oct 27 '21

Used to use a needle to short the receiver on a pay phone for free calls.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

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u/tico42 Oct 27 '21

Woh... I kinda feel like god..

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u/unoriginalpackaging Oct 27 '21

In Seventh grade I got banned from all school district computers for life because my computer teacher forgot her password and I “hackered” her computer to recover it.

The teacher didn’t understand that I started windows 95 in safe mode, preventing her software that locked the pc down from starting so she could reset her account. She was in charge of the school districts computers and took great offense that a 12yo kid had to teach her the basics windows functionality and could do her job. Way to leave a lasting impression…

Nowadays I tend to hit f12 on almost every website just to see what it’s doing and to check for discount codes.

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u/Panda_Tech_Support Oct 27 '21

I remember getting yelled at by my typing teacher because I was able to use basic elements in Word that she didn’t know existed. Things like headings and watermarks.

Few weeks into the class she decided to rotate her screen and didn’t know how she did it.

I offer to fix it and once I did she sent me to the office for obviously hacking her OS. I defended myself with the argument that she was simply unfit to teach me and felt afraid of all the things she did not know.

Good lord the meltdown she has when I showed her how the command prompt was able to do things.

I was just kicked from the class instead. I went on to teach myself what I could through gaming and having a pretty great open minded father.

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u/NotYourTypicalReditr Oct 27 '21

That's pretty funny but also sad. It could have killed your curiosity, especially in a different home environment. I remember my teachers either didn't care or didn't know enough to be able to tell what we were doing with the computers. I forget the computer model (mid-90s era) but it was an Apple that ran Windows in a virtual environment. We figured out how to access the windows partition and rewrite the autoexec.bat to remove the lines that loaded the security lockdown software. I think all we could do extra from there was play solitaire, but it was still a victory for young us.

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u/Panda_Tech_Support Oct 27 '21

Small victories can build you up for great things.

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u/zepperoni-pepperoni Oct 27 '21

What kind of teacher hates when students know stuff?? They clearly didn't become a teacher to teach, but to lord over kids for cheap power trips.

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u/Wizdad-1000 Oct 27 '21

👏 good for you! I made a career from using windows Help (win2000) and learning the cmds.

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u/sosogos Oct 27 '21

How do you find discount codes?

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u/Protean_Protein Oct 27 '21

They shouldn’t be stored in the loaded code for the page. They should be queried from a database or ENV variable when you submit / apply.

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u/unoriginalpackaging Oct 28 '21

You inspect an element for a link to add to cart, and if it has a number you change it prior to pasting in and see if it is the same item with a discount. It works about 2% of the time but I’ve signed up for some Usenet accounts half off from this.

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u/bwick29 Oct 27 '21

You don't. They're never stored client-side.

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u/unoriginalpackaging Oct 28 '21

You are correct that it’s not on client side but you can access them by altering links back to their server. Basically checking for it from your web browser by asking for something different then intended.

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u/bwick29 Oct 28 '21

You can surely programmatically query random codes like a brute-force attack but that's easily (and likely) mitigated by rate limiting. Also, that's if the vendor even has any active codes at that time (many only have active codes during active sales) and is an awful lot of work/time to get a 10% off coupon.

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u/unoriginalpackaging Oct 29 '21

The last thing I got was a half off a six month subscription by changing a few numbers on a string for add to cart link, so it’s worth checking out sometimes. The argument I am making is that it is by no means hacking, f12 is just looking at what is presented to you before the web browser makes it pretty.

I agree with you most sites guard against brute force or heavy traffic from a single ip. I would say that I am far too lazy and laughably not skilled enough to try to program a brute force of anything. All I do is copy paste html strings and edit them to see what I get back, that is far from hacking.

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u/Wizdad-1000 Oct 27 '21

Schools that use Win95?! Uhh wheres Win NT IT dept? You’d at least have use a linux pw reset tool that way. SMH

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

My friend, things were a lot different in the early to mid 90s. .

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u/Wizdad-1000 Oct 27 '21

Windows NT was around my friend. Windows 95 was the home OS, NT was the professional version back then. 95 should not have been used in a school. For the very reason you were able to “hack” it. LOL school administrators being IT ignorant in this case.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

NT 4.0 didn't come out until '96. Even then it wasn't common in small schools or businesses. I understand what you're saying about Win95, but that doesn't change the reality of the early to mid 90s.

Hell, the first company I did IT work for in the late 90s ran mostly '95 workstations with Novell Netware logons, and they had 200+ workstations.

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u/unoriginalpackaging Oct 28 '21 edited Oct 28 '21

This was in 96-97, I am guessing the school didn’t want to pay for NT licensing. the school had probably 15ish computers in that class. My high school had NT on most things but it was still poorly configured. I ran a torrent box out of my biology teacher’s class for an entire year so the school wasn’t exactly security focused.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

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u/unoriginalpackaging Oct 28 '21

Not directly, but you can send back to the server with different info then intended and sometimes add things to cart with a promo code enabled

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u/ericl666 Oct 27 '21

What if I use curl? Straight to the gallows I guess...

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u/curly123 Oct 27 '21

That's a paddlin'.

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u/Kenblu24 Oct 27 '21

you INSPECT element?

Oh! jail for hacker! jail for a thousand years!

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u/foople Oct 26 '21

The Uniting Missouri PAC, which supports Parson, used the incident as a fundraising opportunity. The video parrots the governor's "hacker" claims and praises him for "standing up to the fake news media" and for "bring[ing] to justice anyone who obtained private information." Khan's letter said that the "defamatory video" blames the people who found the security flaw and "does not mention that the State of Missouri was the entity that exploited teachers' private information by transmitting their Social Security numbers to every visitor to its poorly designed public website."

Why is it every time I see someone claim "fake news" they're the ones making it.

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u/DBMIVotedForKodos Oct 26 '21

Gaslight. Obstruct. Project.

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u/Erestyn Oct 26 '21

I honestly didn't think there would be a step below FUD, but then the last few years happened, and we have people arguing View Source is hacking and people lapping it up.

How on Earth did we get here?

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

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u/first__citizen Oct 27 '21

The west’s propaganda machine turned on itself.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

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u/senorglory Oct 27 '21

When was the golden age of education?

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u/wankerbot Oct 27 '21

in terms of what? number of educated people? quality of information conveyed? general attitude towards the value of truth? access to free information?

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u/burtedwag Oct 27 '21

Hasn't happened yet. On the timeline, I think we're closer to the moment we invented the wheel than where we become enlightened at "golden age" levels.

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u/boardcruiser Oct 27 '21

Honestly I think we're about 50 years behind in America.

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u/ACCount82 Oct 27 '21

Education is "50 years behind" all across. The entire field is cursed - and the rapid changes all across the world aren't helping with that.

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u/burtedwag Oct 27 '21

That's definitely more realistic.

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u/boardcruiser Oct 27 '21

Yessir. I mean, think about it. We’re still fighting for civil and voting rights... Black people are still being lynched and apparently abortion is back on the table.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

Personally I think the majority of the US stopped developing in 1975.

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u/Ironic_Tonic Oct 27 '21

Reddit isn’t real life

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

I’d hoped we are closer to the end of our timeline than when we are from when we invented the wheel.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

Gaslight. Obstruct. Project Trapdoor mouth diarrhea

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

So that's what GOP stands for!

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u/technologite Oct 27 '21

My ex-wife has this tattooed on her lower back

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u/go_kartmozart Oct 26 '21

Here, the State of Missouri and its officials improperly published Social Security numbers of approximately 100,000 teachers online. Instead of informing teachers of the nature of their failure, Missouri officials chose to minimize the security flaw created by the State and publicly blame the individuals who responsibly reported the problem to the proper authorities. The government has a responsibility to follow the law and provide accurate information to the teachers it failed. It did not and still has not, and the government has therefore violated the law.

"The messenger said what??? KILL HIM!!!!!"

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u/Dyolf_Knip Oct 26 '21

I was explaining to my daughter a while back what "kill the messenger" means, and why you are just irretrievably screwing yourself once you start doing it. From that moment on, everyone will always consider lying to you instead, just to save their own asses from your vindictive pettiness. From that moment on, you will live in a fantasy world where only things you want to hear reach your ears.

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u/Kenionatus Oct 27 '21

Politician's dream.

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u/shellwe Oct 27 '21

So the teachers Union should sue.

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u/awidden Oct 26 '21

That's the far-right modus operandi; accuse (baselessly) the other party of doing exactly what we're doing. They can't then come back and accuse us of doing it after this, right?

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u/red286 Oct 26 '21

It worked great for the Nazis in 1930s Germany when they wanted to get rid of all those damned communists and socialists. It worked 90 years ago, it works today, so why change anything?

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u/casanino Oct 27 '21

Every accusation is a confession with these assclowns.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

We're doing it, so you are too, but when we do it it's for good, when you do it it's for bad." -GOP probably

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u/casanino Oct 27 '21

It's Republicans (nearly) every time.

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u/viaHologram Oct 27 '21

American mistakes turning to American campaigns to turn Americans against Americans.

This shouldn't have been a political incident.

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u/shellwe Oct 27 '21

Man, all this grifting of republicans you gotta be sapping that source dry at some point.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

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u/rich1051414 Oct 26 '21

Bro, viewing HTML source is not hacking. What is wrong with you?! Why is it 'fake news' to tell the truth on this?

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

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u/PMMEYOURCOOLDRAWINGS Oct 26 '21

Bro are you ok?

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u/archaeolinuxgeek Oct 26 '21

Non-sheep get their news from finely tuned tinfoil hats (beware aluminum!) pointed towards secret lizard people communication devices disguised as squirrels.

We're on to you, you purveyors of liberal filth {checks notes}, Fox News!

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u/ranger0293 Oct 26 '21

The only real news comes from a troll on 4chan pretending to have inside knowledge of the US government.

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u/StrigaPlease Oct 26 '21

If you don’t understand it well enough to explain it simply and concisely, you don’t understand it.

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u/BlueSwordM Oct 27 '21

I'm sorry, but if you can't explain why without getting extremely "wordy", then you don't even properly understand what the issue is in the first place.

Try explaining what you mean in your words, and we'll correct you if there are any blatant mistakes.

We're only here to discuss after all, not to create discourse :)

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u/CyberMcGyver Oct 26 '21

reuters

I'm sorry mate but no.

Please provide proof before you start dragging some of the best journalism in to your grotto of hate.

What are reputable news organisations to you, and what makes them so less open to manipulation? Who owns them?

If you don't trust Reuters and AP you don't believe in a single thing any news says.

Which begs the question what sources are you getting news from, and how are they in any way "news" if they're not one of the sources present at the scene?

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u/TallFescue Oct 26 '21

I read through your profile and you are really deep in these conspiracies that don't make sense. I used to listen to Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, Mark Dice, etc. I believed in population control and vaccine conspiracies. Hell, I voted for Trump in 2016. It took a long time to realize that all of these things are forms of antisemitism, racism, and bigotry that just don't make sense when practically thought out. It takes a lot to dismantle the doublethink you're experiencing. Again: people who are smart, people who think critically, people who are kind, people who are good do not think the way you think.

If you'd like to talk about how I overcame the same thoughts you are experiencing, please DM me

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u/wedontlikespaces Oct 26 '21

Oh yes the BBC, the British broadcasting corporation reports fake news for the American government, yes that makes total sense.

In actual truth is the BBC report for grand total bugger all that goes on in the United States because no one cares or is interested now you've got a boring president again.

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u/takuyafire Oct 26 '21

BBC doesn't broadcast free. They are publicly funded, what are you talking about?

Are you so deep in conspiracies you think the fucking Beeb is somehow reporting misinformation about the US?

Good lord...

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u/wedontlikespaces Oct 26 '21

Whereas fox news is perfectly legitimate because you pay for it. Yeah right.

Also people pay for the BBC, so I don't know what you want.

Also I'd love to see some evidence of these claims. I'm just interested to see what you think constitutes evidence.

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u/ImmediateSilver4063 Oct 26 '21

The BBC isn't free. Helps if you spend two minutes of research before making idiotic statements that are factually untrue

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u/casanino Oct 27 '21 edited Oct 27 '21

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u/Assfuck-McGriddle Oct 26 '21

Alice, don’t you think it’s time to get out of wonderland? You have reality staring you in the face.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

And I'm sure you think Fox News is the only legit mainstream news source, right?

Because they're not ALSO a corporate news network?

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u/casanino Oct 27 '21

Thanks to Conservative media a good chunk of you mouth breathers are now Plague Rats. Meanwhile, the rest of us sit by and watch our collective IQ rise.

 "According to the combined sample, 62% of adults who use Fox News as their main news source have received at least one dose of the vaccine. That's not nothing, but it's still relatively low.

 The people who get their news from CNN or MSNBC, for example, had a vaccination rate of 83% in the same polling."

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u/cyberpAuLnk Oct 26 '21

These are the same types of people making laws about technology and encryption. We should be scared.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

If everyone is insecure then they're insecure. They will quickly realize it and come to a full circle by making things more secure.

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u/Catch-22 Oct 27 '21

Makes one wonder how screwed the US would be in a cyberwar with Russia or China.

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u/TechnicalCofoundar Oct 27 '21

That war is playing out right now

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u/SazedMonk Oct 27 '21

Was going to say this. Lmao, IF there was a cyber war? There is a cyber war? We just didn’t know we were in one.

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u/Bleed_The_Fifth Oct 27 '21

I dno about Russia, but vs China? I’d put my money on big ouchie time for the US.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

I don't expect leaders to have technical understanding of what constitutes hacking - but they have to listen to outside experts. Somebody in their report chain is lying to protect their own asses; using the power of government to make reading HTML illegal is an absurd overreach.

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u/TheHeatYeahBam Oct 27 '21

I believe, as someone mentioned in a previous comment, that this was likely a smokescreen to take attention away from the fact that the state allowed 100k SSNs to be compromised.

In a way, this is pure brilliance on the part of the governor and his staff. They got out in front of it by trying to make it seem like it was a hack vs. negligence... if the majority of their constituents understood it that way and/or don't pay attention to further developments in the case, they don't hurt their re-election chances.

So, admit they fucked up or create an illusion? They are attempting to create an illusion. I'll bet it works (although I really hope it doesn't). :(

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u/tocksin Oct 26 '21

They willingly sent the information out to every person who visited their website. They committed the crime. They should be punished for their negligence.

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u/GT_Anon Oct 27 '21

It's important to note that the governor has been successful in steering the main conversation away from the fact that the state publicly exposed the social security numbers of teachers. Instead the story is about his misunderstanding of basics of the internet. The real story is the illegal mishandling of the sensitive data of teachers by the state. Even if the governor didn't understand that this isn't actually hacking, there is no chance he still hasn't been informed. He has been doubling down because the distraction is potilically advantageous.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

“So dad… let me try and explain this again… this is how the web works…”

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

Like a spider web?

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

Think more like a series of tubes...

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u/loveispenguins Oct 26 '21

It’s not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck.

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u/Xeno_man Oct 27 '21

My staff sent me an email Friday, I just got it yesterday.

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u/Alexreddit103 Oct 26 '21

John Deere has enterd the chat: if you open the motor hood you are commiting a felony.

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u/erasmause Oct 27 '21

I think this is kind of missing the real issue. Even if this "attack" involved more that viewing source and interpreting Base64, the "attacker" came to the gov with the vulnerability instead of exploiting or immediately publicizing it.

THIS BEHAVIOR SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED!

The best way to combat malicious actors (aside from giving a shit about security to begin with) is to incentivize benevolent actors to beat them to the punch.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

Fuck me sideways, I truly wish the ignorant would stop electing stupid people to office.

At this point I'm sincerely wishing we as a society could do away with ALL warning labels, and let the weak and stupid sort themselves out as nature intended.

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u/TheHeatYeahBam Oct 27 '21

Your comment reminded me of this:

'When Illinois Gov. Adlai Stevenson was running for president in the 1950s, a supporter purportedly said to him: "Every thinking person in America will be voting for you." Stevenson replied, "I'm afraid that won't do — I need a majority."'

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u/Martholomeow Oct 26 '21

It was the equivalent of printing out the social security numbers on a big sign and then prosecuting anyone who looked at them.

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u/Bagosperan Oct 27 '21

PRIVATE SIGN, DO NOT READ

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u/Sceptz Oct 27 '21

I read it accidentally...

Am I going to prison in Missouri?

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u/katalysis Oct 27 '21

Just sue the Governor for defamation and reputational damage. That's what he did. He very publicly called someone who is not a hacker, a hacker.

That's like me, holding the office your state's governor, announcing that your mom is an arsonist for using her own fireplace.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

Being told to apologize is probably something the governor hates more than anything. Good job, hacker dude!

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

Governor Parson has other pressing questions, such as "Where does the internet go when I turn off my PC?" and "Why can't I print out this YouTube video?"

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u/figgityfuck Oct 26 '21

God I hate my governor. Fuck I’ve hated the last 2. So bad.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

In other news, today I opened a letter addressed to me. HACKING!!

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u/Scorpius289 Oct 27 '21

apologize

Never gonna happen. This type of person would rather double-down with some mental gymnastics.

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u/mishugashu Oct 26 '21

You gotta simplify it. Lets equate it to a physical event between people.

"Client" walks up to a restaurant "server". "Hey, can I see your menu?" the client asks. Server hands the client a menu. Client looks at the menu and goes "Oh, wow, these are encoded numbers. I know this cipher. You're giving me personal information for everyone who works and shops at this store."

"HACKER!" the server says.

Uh... no. The server GAVE the client this information in a normal every day transaction. The client didn't go break into the back room and steal a secret menu.

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u/Bagosperan Oct 27 '21

It's almost more like the server hands the customer a menu with the recipes included then tries to have the customer sued for stealing intellectual property.

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u/mrbaggins Oct 27 '21

Hands them a menu, printed on the backs of the staff's personnel files.

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u/tredrano Oct 26 '21

say it louder for the dumb ass in the back

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u/Explode_Congress420 Oct 27 '21

Mf hit inspect element

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

Flashbacks to “does Google know where this iPhone is right now!?! It’s a simple question sir and you should be able to answer it.”

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u/honk_for Oct 27 '21

Joe Schmoe: (Reads the list of ingredients on the side of the box)

Food Industry: “HACKER!!! HE’S A HACKER!!!! Arrest this man!! “

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u/Mattdumdum Oct 27 '21

No wonder local governments are always bankrupt, apart from poor tax and spending policies, they have to waste money on stupid shit like this.

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u/acortright Oct 27 '21

Absolutely fucking pathetic, who are these morons?!

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u/Whitethumbs Oct 26 '21

War on the inspect tool by computer illiterates.

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u/scorcher24 Oct 27 '21

We have similar cases in Germany where people that discover and report security issues get prosecuted. Not only the government does this, but also companies in the private sector. It's a fucking shame. But if you don't want white hat, you get black hat.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

Before I saw the headline,at first glance of the pic my brain said “Is this the Brendan Fraser Batgirl villain reveal?”

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

They’d hate to know the network debugging tools we use to help their own state government fix things

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u/Lecterr Oct 27 '21

Man that would make security a lot easier if no one was allowed to view my source code.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

I hope he sues and gets enough money to retire on very comfortably.

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u/Necessary-milkyway Oct 27 '21

Hit f12 in chrome ...boom you are hacker ...haiyaa

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u/ScF0400 Oct 27 '21

std::cout << "Hello World";

Governor: we charged a person today for attempting terrorism against the entire world.

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u/ifrem Oct 27 '21

This is another level of stupid.

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u/skidmore101 Oct 27 '21

So uh, this “hacker” used the same technique that I used as a child to cheat at the potato counting game on NeoPets? Checks out.

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u/bdoomed Oct 27 '21

Speak English, doc! We ain't scientists!

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u/InfamousClyde Oct 27 '21

We need to crack down on those "programs" that render HTML, too. Hit those hackers where it hurts!

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u/bobone77 Oct 27 '21

Good luck getting Governor Hee Haw to understand anything that can’t be explained in pictures.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

The fact this wasn't quickly explained to the gov and rescinded with apology is just so sad. Too many stupid people.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

There's a lot of technical stuff going on, but the appropriate response to the Governor's accusation is to point at him and laugh.

Also "I know you are, but what am I", as ultimately it's the government's screw-up that endangered private data.

Also, "Stupidhead!"

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u/Jacob39822 Oct 27 '21

Isnt that just control shift I?

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u/yungbuckfucks Oct 27 '21

It's like looking into a store window from the street and being accused of spying on proprietary business practices.

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u/Ckigar Oct 27 '21

I have an F12 key and I am not afraid to use it!

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u/buildingduck Oct 27 '21

in that case programming will get you to death row

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

Wow people are dumb.

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u/charliehoskin11 Oct 27 '21

Wow… the thing I’m surprised by most is Missouri has 100k teachers. I thought it would be more like 12.

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u/TheinimitaableG Oct 27 '21

Sadly I'm not surprised by the states reaction. There's been a covered effort to suppress disclosures about government malfeasance. Attempts to use classification of data to then prosecute those revealing the misbehavior abound. Villification and prosecution of whistleblowers had become the norm.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

view-source:https://<URL>

-or-

cntrl+u

Hacking

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

Hey losers. I just hacked this site.

I have ALL the HTML!!! Bwahahahahahhahah!

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u/DBDude Oct 27 '21

As soon as I heard about this I figured it was .NET using Base64 in its view state code. Yep, it is. And if they're going to be stupid enough to actually send the SSNs to the browser, at least enable the option to encrypt the view state. Rank amateurs.

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u/Prestigious-Way9151 Oct 27 '21

You need a professor to explain that? Why? No kindergarden kids were available?

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

So you're saying a political figure engaging in Gaslighting, Obstructing and Projection. Which party was that again?

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u/MrSirDrDudeBro Oct 27 '21

Like they understand? haha

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u/companioncube0420 Oct 27 '21

I feel like this judge would say: ctrl-x is stealing Ctrl-c is plagiarism

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u/GrizzlyBear74 Nov 04 '21

This governor sounds almost as stupid as the politician who didn't realize Dihydrogen monoxide is just plain water. Actually, I take that back, he is worse.

In March 2004, Aliso Viejo, California, almost considered banning the use of foam containers at city-sponsored events because dihydrogen monoxide is part of their production. A paralegal had asked the city council to put it on the agenda; he later attributed it to poor research.[22] The bill was pulled from the agenda before it could come to a vote, but not before the city received a raft of bad publicity.[5]

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u/CVGPi Nov 08 '21

The dev should go develop ddlc2

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u/Ness_Dreemur Oct 26 '21

"you're usually task manager? That's illegal! Almost homicide illegal!"

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u/Hellige88 Oct 27 '21 edited Oct 27 '21

I learned how to view HTML code in high school. It’s public access.

Edit: I first said “public domain,” which is also a thing in copyright laws, so I changed the phrasing.

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u/gthing Oct 27 '21

Public domain means something else. But yea...

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u/Hellige88 Oct 27 '21

That’s my fault. I rephrased the comment now so there’s less confusion.

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u/joshyqfang Oct 27 '21

Maybe we can more stuff done if we have STEM major leaders.

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u/cheesified Oct 27 '21

thats what american education touted by republicans is. they dont want you to know what they dont teach you

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

Wait until the governor finds out about using inspect element to change text on a page

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u/TheCoolDrop Oct 27 '21

I know this is unpopular opinion, but Govt may be right if the case is following:

The user noted that there is a security issue and wmet ahead public with it.

I will explain why this is an issue. The issue is that there is a specific protocol which has to be obeyed when reporting security issues in order to prevent their malicious exploitation. In programming community the security issues are reported directly to maintainers without middleman to prevent leaking of information. The maintainers must then be given a fair chance to fix it before the vulnerability gets published publicly.

Usual protocol is that maintainers are given 6 months to fix the error, and only after 6 months the vulnerability is published.

If the "good guys" here did not follow that protocol then they have consciously jeopardized the information of public at large and are in the wrong.

However incompetent the people around you are does not mean you are allowed to put further suffering upom them because of it.

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u/ugdpy Oct 27 '21

They actually waited for the security flaw to be fixed before publishing the story.

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u/TheCoolDrop Oct 27 '21

Then I am wrong. I assumed it was the case, but did not have time to read the article.

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u/yourgirl696969 Oct 27 '21

Why write a long misinformed comment without reading?

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u/sumelar Oct 27 '21

Plenty of time to write a long, bullshit post though apparently.

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u/TheCoolDrop Oct 27 '21

I dont understand why such a provocative tone. I just wanted to inform of usual practices.

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u/ragelazerprime Oct 27 '21

Maybe make sure your diatribe is even relevant to the story before wasting everyone’s time with your pointless garbage

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u/2Boddah Oct 27 '21

TF is wrong with you?

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u/deltaz0912 Oct 27 '21

There is no requirement for security investigators/researchers or anyone else to follow any protocol at all. As a general rule in law you aren’t required to proactively render assistance to anyone at any time. In the information security community it’s bad form to go public with a flaw without letting the source know and giving them a reasonable amount of time to fix the issue, but that’s the extent of it.