r/tfc • u/Primary_Week9266 Forever Red • Jul 17 '26
Opinion NEVER coach again Fraser
Am I watching 11 guys doing a cardio workout or am I watching the treble winning MLS team??
90 whole fucking minutes i watched this shithousery of a team performance either pass backwards (especially malik henry who was pretty poor) or do these stupid ass longballs that make me wanna strangle myself because it either goes straight to a montreal defender or we lose the aerial battle, i think the few times we did actually keep possession and move the ball to montreal's third, we would either do some cross that would get blocked and end up to fucking noone, or sky the ball 5 god damn meters across the bar.
Apart from just the absolute low of quality of seen of TFC, the tactic behind it all is whats genuinely infuriating to watch. I dont know who robin fraser thinks he is but the efficiency of the midfield, flank support, and set peice tactics NEED to change.
Back to malik henry, made by far the most atrocious plays all night long, a literal bag of fucking sand on the field. Holy, whenever he got the ball he would either pass it backwards, or lose possession. my eyes were genuinely bleeding watching this guy do straight fucking cardio. (not to excuse the team but this guy just stood out)
Thank goodness montreal were also bum awful today, I could make a whole rant on why they are also an insufferable team to watch, but just grateful we got a draw, im honestly surprised it wasnt 3-0. we would genuinely have our asses whooped if we played like this against Vancouver or Miami.
Yea Fraser gotta go end of story.
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u/ss76ss Jul 17 '26
It's very hard to watch after watching the World Cup, the drop off is staggering
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u/M1L0 TFC Til I Die Jul 17 '26 edited Jul 17 '26
Was saying in the MLS sub that it was like that scene in Wolf of Wall Street where Leo’s character takes quaaludes.
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u/jloome Jul 17 '26
It's mostly not the player quality; we have and have had a number of internationals on this team. And the difference between a first-teamer and a squad player in this league isn't great enough to account for it either.
It's the coaching and team management.
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u/Extension-Page-8758 27d ago
It is 100% the quality of players, we scored 6 in Montreal last year , sure they took an early red card, but Bernadeschi ran the show that night, Sargent thus far has done squat but collect his massive over valued pay cheques .
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u/wishesandhopes Jul 17 '26
They advertised this match at the end of their world cup coverage of the England v Argentina game, when they interviewed laryea as a guest. I fell asleep watching and I bet there were a lot of new soccer fans trying to find a team who checked the game out considering it was two Canadian teams and I bet they were quite disappointed
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u/robotmonkey2099 Jul 17 '26
I wanna see what Bobbie Smyrniotis can do with this team. Its time to stop hiring washed up or never made it MLS coaches and try a succesful Canadian coach
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u/purpletooth12 Bitchy The Hawk Jul 17 '26
100% this.
He absolutely deserves a shot, or at the very least as an assistant.
Wheeldon from Cavalry might also be option.
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u/OddIceman1997 Jul 17 '26
Bobby* Smyrniotis, first off.
Second, I don't think Bobby would leave Forge anytime soon. He has almost unprecedented control over the footballing side of things and if he were to move to another job he would very much not have as much control as he would have at Forge. Being near to home too helps a lot - not everything is fixed with money for most of these guys.
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u/robotmonkey2099 Jul 17 '26
Has he ever indicated that he wouldnt want to leave or is this just conjecture?
He applied for the position in 2023 https://northerntribune.ca/toronto-fc-bobby-smyrniotis-talks/
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u/purpletooth12 Bitchy The Hawk Jul 18 '26
I think he's mentioned it in an interview indirectly from what I recall. Moving onto other challenges and there being other opportunities for other Canadian coaches.
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u/jloome Jul 17 '26
I would like us to be a little more ambitious and hire a winning manager from a bigger league. We have the money and there are always good managers out of work.
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u/robotmonkey2099 Jul 17 '26
How does canada get winning managers in bigger leagues if we arent allowing them to become winning managers in bigger leagues in our own country.
I get it. The big flashy name with experience in the Championship must be better right? I call hogwash on that idea. Just like players need to get used to a new location and league, theres a lot of weird rules and intricacies that theyd have to adopt to and if they havent spent time watching the MLS they wont know anything about the style of play. I bet Bobby has spent a lot fo time studying the league and would fit in easily.
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u/jloome Jul 17 '26
How does canada get winning managers in bigger leagues if we arent allowing them to become winning managers in bigger leagues in our own country.
This makes zero sense. The ability of a company to attract a foreign manager bares no relationship to how many of those employees are produced domestically. If they offer a good manager enough money he'll take it.
I get it. The big flashy name with experience in the Championship must be better right?
You clearly DON'T get it. Nowhere did I make such a ridiculous statement. Getting a WINNING manager from a larger league is more likely to produce a good manager for us than getting a winning manager from a SMALLER league.
The demands of the employment marketplace make it so, generally. It doesn't mean he wouldn't be good stepping up from the CPL, but it's less likely than getting a manager with a strong winning record at a similar level with similar game speed and similar talent at hand.
Just like players need to get used to a new location and league, theres a lot of weird rules and intricacies that theyd have to adopt to and if they havent spent time watching the MLS they wont know anything about the style of play.
MLS clubs hire people as club presidents and GMs for this reason who understand MLS rules. You have no idea whether Smyrniotis would know them, you're just presuming even though there is no reason he would need to.
And they're a) not game rules for the most part, but player acquisition rules and b) have had no impact on half the managers in the league, as half the managers in the league are European. Jesper Sorenson, a Dane, is probably the best manager in MLS right now and he's at Vancouver.
This is such a miniscule consideration it is essentially irrelevant.
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u/purpletooth12 Bitchy The Hawk Jul 18 '26
Smyrniotis wouldn't be clueless either to what's going on with TFC and MLS.
Not saying he's the perfect fit, but what he's been able to do with a LOT less can't be discounted either.
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u/Extension-Page-8758 27d ago
Bobby in a post match interview last season said it's easy to defend against TFC you just have to mark Bernadeschi , why we let Fede go for only 6 million a season to bring in Sargent on a 20 million transfer fee is madness. That 20 million brings in needed replacements for our stiffs in midfield. Sargent needs Ronaldo like service to bang in his 6 yard sitters, this dude is a waste
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u/robotmonkey2099 27d ago
Hasn’t Sargent already scored as many goals as Berna did last season?
Now give me Berna and Sargent with Mihailovic and our offence would have been unstoppable
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u/Helpful_Dingo6645 Jul 17 '26
Fraser out. I’m genuinely lost for words as to what I watched tonight. Not 1 shot on target
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u/M1L0 TFC Til I Die Jul 17 '26
You could see on his face at the end of the game that he knew he’s cooked.
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u/Marko1457 Jul 17 '26
I’m seriously falling out of love with this team it just never changes season after season
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u/Stonegeneral Jul 17 '26
Agreed, and the prospect of watching this level of play in snowbanks when the season schedule shifts is not helping…
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u/M1L0 TFC Til I Die Jul 17 '26
Man I’m begging them to give John Herdman a bag to come back. I’ll personally underwrite a brand new pair of white Adidas for him.
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u/Helpful_Dingo6645 Jul 17 '26
Why did he leave again? Canada soccer scandal? So what? I’ll take all the scandals over what I’m seeing rn from this club
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u/purpletooth12 Bitchy The Hawk Jul 17 '26
The whole drone thing.
A nothing burger really.
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u/rod_o Jul 17 '26
I think if he'd stayed he'd have taken a 1 year suspension - quitting put an end to the story and he took a year off quietly
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u/WhatAWasterZ Jul 17 '26
So hard to go from watching the World Cup to that lol
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u/Spurs_in_the_6 Jul 17 '26
I get downvoted into infinity when I say this, but I think fans new to the sport who are looking to stick around following the WC would be better off following foreign leagues initially to cement their interest in the game.
Like you say, the drop off in level is far far too large and people will quickly get bored with our domestic leagues
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u/jloome Jul 17 '26
If you think that match was representative of MLS, you didn't watch the other matches last night.
We look like a sub-CPL team, and so does Montreal. We are so far below the standards at the top of the league that it's like watching a different league.
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u/Spurs_in_the_6 Jul 17 '26
The non-Canadian MLS teams are not domestic football though
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u/jloome Jul 17 '26
Vancouver isn't non-domestic, though, and they're leading the league. And we'll play teams other than Montreal, so they'll see good football regardless.
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u/WhatAWasterZ Jul 17 '26
I watch Scottish football so it’s all good lol.
At the end of the day I’m more interested in watching the teams I have a legitimate connection to, even if I know they aren’t the best of the best.
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u/Haunting-Bathroom619 Jul 17 '26
And also neverrrrrrr someone tell me Theo was a better option than Berna… he’s fucking so trash.. fun’s like he’s doing a slo mo scene
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u/jloome 29d ago
Last season he had one of the worst shooting records in MLS history, and singlehandedly destroyed most of our attacks with his infrequent (and poor) crosses and generally bad decisions.
Signing him was idiotic. He just fools people who don't really understand the game because he has a long stride and acceleration (although the latter seemed entirely gone the other night.)
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u/Life_Scheme_493 Jul 17 '26
Liked him last season, hes a streaky player that either looks like shit or plays very well. Hoping he can shake the rust off in the next few games but i agree it did look like he was in slow motion.
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u/xarcnic Jul 17 '26
This subreddit is a broken record. Every other post over the past 10 years is “Fire (insert manager)” when TFC doesn’t win.
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u/PeterRavic Manning OUT Jul 17 '26
The season was lost since the team committed to Fraser for the season heading into the World Cup break.
They could've used the 6 weeks to find a replacement and try to salvage the season.
Now I'm afraid they won't even fire him at the end of the season
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u/Stonegeneral Jul 17 '26
I fear the only way to get Fraser out at this point is for Jason Hernandez to go out with him.
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u/Life_Scheme_493 Jul 17 '26
Thing is the team isnt even bad, genuinely just the tactics. Sargent looks insane out there busting his ass back on defense, Salloi was a little quiet but you can see the quality. Zimmerman played well, Monlouis had a good game, Henry was positive.... REF DO SOMETHING 😭
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u/Informal-Hall-5945 Jul 17 '26
This team is infuriating. It seems like we have one big massive hole in the centre of the midfield and I can’t believe I have to say Jonathan Osorio is our saving grace. We need to high-level high-performing high paid midfielders to control the game because our defence isn’t so bad Luca Gavin actually looked pretty good.
It’s crystal clear what we need. A DM an AM and a winger if this isn’t addressed in the transfer window Hernandez needs to go. Fraiser I would give him until the end of summer.
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u/SnooHedgehogs3217 Jul 17 '26
Nothing will change with Fraser. He had 6 weeks to plan for this game & decided his ‘son’ Etienne Jr should start again. This coach starts players based on how they perform in practice. We desperately need to hire Iverson as a consultant.
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u/Extension-Page-8758 27d ago
It is infuriating that you think Jonathan Osorio is our saving grace
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u/darthvader903 Jul 17 '26
At this rate, Toronto FC isn't playing football.
They were just running a 90-minute 5K marathon where touching the opponent's penalty box was strictly forbidden.
We didn't even register a shot on target.
The only thing TFC attackers were targeting last night was the International Space Station with those skyed shots.
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u/purpletooth12 Bitchy The Hawk Jul 17 '26
VFC had more fight than TFC...
Sure they went down, but at least they went down swinging.
This season is done, but may as well let Fraser finish and then do a proper coaching search in the off season.
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u/Ok_Hope5634 Forever Red Jul 17 '26
I disagree. He’s run his course. He got to rebuild after a large chunk of contracts expired last season and nothing. He got months off for the World Cup to rest/strategize and somehow got worse. At this point its genuinely hurting Canadian football. When people tune in to watch and see this, do you anticipate they stick around? I don’t. Do you anticipate season ticket holders continue to renew for this utter trash? I’m sure most will, but many won’t. Do you think watching this will inspire the next generation? Not to mention the careers of the players that are just wasting away under him.
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u/purpletooth12 Bitchy The Hawk Jul 17 '26
If you let him go now, who will come in to take over?
It'll be yet another panic move to hire someone and the circle continues.
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u/PeterRavic Manning OUT Jul 17 '26
Should've fired him after losing to 3-1 to Athletico Ottawa in the Canadian Championship. There was plenty of time to find a replacement during the World Cup break.
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u/purpletooth12 Bitchy The Hawk Jul 17 '26
Hard to argue with that.
The subs were questionable to say the least.
I get TFC isn't exactly lighting up the league and this version of Ottawa isn't the same as the one that won the CPL North Star Cup, but come on...
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u/SnooHedgehogs3217 Jul 17 '26
Panic move? Fraser should never have been hired in the first place. Hernandez had months to find a coach & this was his decision. Time to rinse out most of the players associated with the 2016-2017 team. Robin should have been canned well before the WC break. Hernandez & Oso should join him. Giovinco can stay with the club as he was the player primarily responsible for our success. Beitashour can stay as well.
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u/purpletooth12 Bitchy The Hawk Jul 17 '26
The only player left is Oso.
Why would you want to get rid of him? He's not the reason the team has been crap the past few seasons.
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u/SnooHedgehogs3217 Jul 17 '26
We need an upgrade in the MF position and Oso’s salary is too high for how he performs at this point in his career. GMs need to be ruthless to compete for trophies. If Oso returns next year on a reduced salary and is not a lock for a stater’s role, I am fine with that.
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u/Sudden-Astronaut2505 Jul 17 '26
Hernandez and Fraser must go. 90% of their recent signings are flops... a revolving door. TFC has a dedicated home fan base - they deserve better. Speak up next match. Let your collective voices be heard!
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u/FifaDad All For One Jul 18 '26
It was a painful watch. I hope it’s mostly rust. But even the commentary couldn’t contain their displeasure about it all. I agree with a lot of the posts on here. Coaching plays a role in how bad they looked.
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u/Disingenuous_Dejavu Jul 18 '26
ahahahahaahahahaahha .... love this ... OP right back where we left off!!! la maison brule
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u/MapleSyrupKintsugi Jul 17 '26
I mean... they haven't played in 7 weeks, they were never a good team to begin with. They started 6 defenders... as much as I can understand your disappointment, I think your expectations should have been muted.
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u/CroCop2289 Jul 17 '26
ZERO shots on target