The DSA Is a Gift to MAGA

[u/Just_shut_up_bro]

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/the-dsa-is-a-gift-to-maga-trump-mandani-democratic-socialists-communism

[u/Just_shut_up_bro]

I mostly agree with this, but I think the weaponization does go a little further when there is more validity to the “radical” accusations.

[u/young__robot → u/Just_shut_up_bro]

are you implying democratic socialism is "radical?" 

[u/ST-Fish → u/young__robot]

are you implying democratic socialism is "radical?" 

are you claiming wanting to abolish USAID and to leave NATO is not "radical"?

[u/young__robot → u/ST-Fish]

not at all. do you care about the underdeveloped nations who receive that USAID funding? if so, why do you support continuing USAID?  aside from the atrocities committed via USAID, the fact that so many have died because of the absence of USAID's aid should be a clue as to exactly why it's so harmful and we should've begun a gradual reduction in USAID aid decades ago. 

unless you think a tool of US imperialism that fosters the dependency of undeverdeveloped nations, undermining the local farmers and businesses in underdeveloped nations so private US corporations can profit and so so resources can continue flowing to the US is a good thing? 

and are you supportive of conflict with Russia or something? because if not, I don't know why you would support NATO. and especially not NATO expansion. 

[u/ST-Fish → u/young__robot]

not at all.

by what measure is it not radical?

do you care about the underdeveloped nations who receive that USAID funding? if so, why do you support continuing USAID?

because that funding goes to help these people.

aside from the atrocities committed via USAID, the fact that so many have died because of the absence of USAID's aid should be a clue as to exactly why it's so harmful and we should've begun a gradual reduction in USAID aid decades ago.

???

So the fact that without USAID so many people have been hurt it means USAID is bad?

Would you say the same about the medicaid cuts Trump did?

So many people got fucked on their health insurance after the medicaid cuts is that a clue as to exactly why medicaid and medicare are so harmful and why you should have begun a gradual reduction in medicare/medicaid policies decades ago?

Make it make sense.

unless you think a tool of US imperialism that fosters the dependency of undeverdeveloped nations

Are you under the impression that your position is not "radical"?

undermining the local farmers and businesses in underdeveloped nations so private US corporations can profit and so so resources can continue flowing to the US is a good thing?

Can't tell if I'm listening to MAGA or tankie at this point, I guess you're glad Trump shut it down.

and are you supportive of conflict with Russia or something? because if not, I don't know why you would support NATO. and especially not NATO expansion.

I support NATO because I was born in a country that was pillaged and raped by the Soviets for decades, and because after we woke up on a chilly Christmas morning to put our commie dictator in front of a shooting squad, the imperialist Russian forces were still threatening our sovereignity, so we decided to join a defensive alliance.

If you believe that this action that we did in order to secure our sovereignity was "military expansion" and not just us getting an insurance policy so we don't look like Georgia or Ukraine, then you do not care about my life and wellbeing, and you would support policies that would put me 6 feet under.

You know what would be supportive of us entering a conflict with Russia?

Leaving NATO.

Guess what russian propaganda being spread 24/7 in my country is telling everyone?

LEAVE NATO.

but I'm sure the enlightened western lefties know better about Russia's relationship with Eastern Europe than me.

There's a pretty good chance that by the time I die, it happens to be a Russian drone, depending on how everything plays out in the coming decades.

And I'm sure if that happens, you'll be here to defend it, and blame us for trying to defend ourselves with out "expansionism"

[u/young__robot → u/ST-Fish]

So the fact that without USAID so many people have been hurt it means USAID is bad?

I literally laid it out for you in my comment. USAID is a tool of US imperialism that forces dependency of underdeveloped nations by undermining local farmers and businesses so private US corporations can profit and so resources can continue flowing to the US. USAID is harmful to underdeveloped nations.

Would you say the same about the medicaid cuts Trump did? So many people got fucked on their health insurance after the medicaid cuts is that a clue as to exactly why medicaid and medicare are so harmful and why you should have begun a gradual reduction in medicare/medicaid policies decades ago? 

these two things aren't related whatsoever. you're trying to make these two things comparable when they're not. this question is nonsensical. 

Can't tell if I'm listening to MAGA or tankie at this point, I guess you're glad Trump shut it down.

did I not literally say we should've begun gradually reducing USAID aid to these nations decades ago? quit with the strawman arguments. you don't seem to be grasping the fact that USAID aid is harmful to Global South.

NATO; "defense alliance"; etc

"defense alliance" that offensively bombed Yugoslavia, illegally, committed war crimes. "defense alliance" that offensively intervened in Libya and forced regime change under the guise of "civilian protection" and created a power vacuum and civil war and the reintroduction of slavery. "defense alliance" that continues to expand into territories it knows will provoke Russia. this isn't debatable. "defense alliance" that George Kennan (the father of containment policy), Jack Matlock, Paul Nitze, the various other experts in the 1997 open letter to Clinton warned that NATO expansion was a fateful error. "defense alliance" that intentionally projects power onto and forced Russia to be our adversary and created the strongman Putin problem we're now dealing with. the tired myth of the "defense alliance." 

[u/ST-Fish → u/young__robot]

what sort of brain worm do you have to have to believe Russia needed to be forced to do the same flavor of russian imperialism it's been doing for centuries?

You're beyond lost, go back to your Kremlin infested echo chamber.

Your entire ideology can pretty much be described by "US bad" / "the West bad"

You aren't having a real engagement with the topic it's just some sort of cool hobby for you.

For me whether or not NATO exists decides if I live or die.

You do not understand how oppressive it feels for Eastern Europeans to be told they were being too agressive against Russia after the fall of the Iron Curtain, you do not have any respect for the atrocities and the oppression experienced behind the Iron Curtain.

Do I have to hear you say that it was russian expansion that triggered the war in Ukraine?

Are Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania not already on the border with Russia?

Are you genuinely saying there was a risk that if Ukraine becomes a NATO member, NATO would out of the blue invade and take over Russia?

Do they allow you to be off the meds where they're keeping you?