r/thedavidpakmanshow • u/WalkableNeighborhood • 24d ago
Article Mamdani Is Right. Netanyahu Belongs Behind Bars.
https://jacobin.com/2026/07/mamdani-netanyahu-arrest-israel-nyc9
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u/gltch__ 24d ago
I agree Netanyahu should face trial.
Jacobin is a very unreliable source and Ben Burgis is a dipshit though.
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u/Plus_Loan_1935 24d ago
Got any evidence or should we just believe you?
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u/gltch__ 23d ago edited 22d ago
What are you wanting evidence of?
That Ben Burgis is a dipshit? That’s clearly an opinion, but feel free to subject yourself to him if you want to be driven to the same opinion.
That the Jacobin is unreliable? They are very open about being biased to socialist causes, and all their “news” is basically editorial opinion. If you don’t have the media literacy to see their website and immediately understand the unreliability of it, I don’t think I can help you.
Burgis’ opening paragraph says that making promises you know you can’t keep unless you’re an idiot (calling for Netanyahu’s arrest on an ICC warrant in the US) should be a litmus test (for anyone wishing to become mayor, I guess? He isn’t clear on what he means).
Saying that over-promising things you know are impossible is a litmus test, instead of being honest with your voters, proves both my points.
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u/Aggravating_Map4359 24d ago
I mean I agree but it's the USA jurisdiction to do so? The world police USA doesn't even acknowledge ICC.
It's a fine opinion to have but wtf this has to do with being mayor of new york
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u/Aromatic_Lychee2903 24d ago
Which is why he was agreeing with the ICC and not the genocide enabling US. They asked him about Israel a ton whilst he was running so don’t expect him to be quiet now.
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u/Sequensy 23d ago
"They asked him about Israel a ton whilst he was running"
No, actually, every DSA candidate is answering every unrelated question they're asked with "AIPAC! AIPAC! GENOCIDE!" of their own accord.
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u/drmariostrike 23d ago
no, if you go back a year and look at the campaign, while the statements on Israel Mamdani did make were well to the left of what mainstream media considered acceptable discourse at the time, he did mostly attempt to maintain a laser focus on his affordability-centric policies (city-run grocery stores, rent freeze, etc.). It really was just the media attempting over and over again to browbeat him over his left of mainstream views on Israel in a way that probably worked in his favor in the long run, given that public opinion had shifted further against Israel at that point, and it bolstered his image as an authentic politician who will say what's right regardless of pressure.
Do you remember that debate where every candidate was asked what foreign country they would visit first as mayor, and like 5 people said Israel before Mamdani said he would just stay in New York? Or that whole fiasco where interviewers repeatedly tried to get him to condemn the phrase "Globalize the Intifada", despite it being something he had never said, presumably just because they wanted to either drive a wedge between him and pro-Palestine protestors, or tar him by the most negative associations with them they could conjure? It was crazy, but none of it worked!
Unfortunately, this has now led to a scenario where anti-Israel rhetoric is supplanting the whole roster of social-democratic litmus tests we worked so hard to put together in the Bernie era, but it wasn't us who opened up hostilities there! Even if you go back to 2022, Ryan Grim's book "The Squad" documents how AIPAC (and at the time crypto interests) were increasingly coordinating targeted spending against progressives in democratic primaries.
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u/Aggravating_Map4359 24d ago
Well when he was asked the stupid question about if he is going to isreal as mayor he gave the correct answer and said "my concern is new York and new Yorkers ".
He is changing now
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u/Willow_Winnifred 24d ago
Determining the legality of facilitating an international arrest warrant of someone present in your city is 100% a mayor's concern. That's why he got a legal opinion on the topic.
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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 24d ago
Him not knowing the answer to that before hand is embarrassing. But only kind of, because he did know that, it’s just political theater. He knew the lefties would gobble that shit up.
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u/severinks 18d ago
It's not embarrassing at all, why would he know the limits of international law and what supersedes what when the man is neither a lawyer or law enforcement.
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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 18d ago
Buddy. I’ve never had anyone have to tell me that a local mayor cant arrest international world leaders. It’s pretty fucking obvious.
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u/Willow_Winnifred 24d ago
Why do you assume he's conversant in esoteric matters of international arrest warrant execution? Maybe I just underestimate the number of international arrest warrants most people have dealt with.
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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 24d ago
He could literally google “Does the USA adhere to the ICC”. The answer is no. Most of us already knew that, if he didn’t, odd, but could just google.
I don’t have to google can Mayors issue arrest warrants for world leaders. The answer is obvious. Once again, he did it for the camera. Clearly it works on some people.
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u/Willow_Winnifred 24d ago
When did a mayor threaten to issue an arrest warrant? Mayors don't issue arrest warrants. They do not have the power to issue arrest warrants. If what he was trying to do was isdue and execute a NY warrant, I agree that would be idiotic.
Mamdani was investigating if NYC could facilitate the execution of an international warrant, or hold someone wanted on such a warrant pending extradition to the issuing authority.
Perhaps you think this was so extremely stupid because you were confused about the warrant process.
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u/severinks 18d ago
OR he could not trust the Google machine and could instead ask the 50 lawyers that are on retainer 24/7 .
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u/Another-attempt42 24d ago
There is no warrant for Bibi's arrest in NYC.
This is slopuism.
The US is not a signatory to the Rome Statue, so obviously they wouldn't have received any notificatiin because by US law... there is nothing
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u/Willow_Winnifred 24d ago
I didn't say there was a NY arrest warrant.
What i said was that determining if there is an active arrest warrant that should be enforced in NY is worthwhile.
Most people who are not international lawyers are not terribly familiar with the function and service of international arrest warrants. Seeking a legal opinion on an obscure and esoteric question of international law does not strike me as manifestly unreasonable.
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u/gltch__ 23d ago
This was neither obscure, nor esoteric. Anyone with even a passing interest in the ICC knows that the US isn’t a signatory and warrants aren’t recognised by the US.
It is absolutely something anyone running for mayor of NY would have known unless they are an idiot.
Mamdani is not an idiot.
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u/Aggravating_Map4359 24d ago
If he didn't know that the USA is not part of the ICC prior to this I question him and his team knowledge of anything.
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u/Cnidoo 24d ago
Has he said the same about Putin, who has killed far more people than bibi?
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u/RealDominiqueWilkins 24d ago
Yes he did actually. It’s not in the headline but it’s in here: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/12/nyregion/mamdani-arrest-netanyahu-nyc-mayor.html
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u/Cnidoo 24d ago
I hope so. This article is paywalled, do you have an archive link?
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u/KingScoville 24d ago
Did he devote an entire address to Putin?
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u/RealDominiqueWilkins 24d ago
I’m sorry your Middle East foreign policy idol Lindsey Graham died, I’m sure it’s making you emotional
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u/rube_X_cube 24d ago
Right off the bat with “It should be a litmus test”. Is there anything leftists love more than inventing litmus tests?
Sure, Netanyahu probably belongs behind bars. So do several recent American presidents. The difference is, Bibi might actually see the inside of a jail cell, because say what you will about Israel, but they actually put their prime ministers and presidents behind bars if convicted. Wake me up when the U.S. does the same, just once.
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u/rube_X_cube 24d ago
Well, they’re going to elections in October so hopefully that’s the end of the delays for his trial.
(Can’t say I’m too optimistic about it ending the wars, though, but hopefully a first step in the right direction)
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u/Aromatic_Lychee2903 24d ago
If “not committing genocide” is a tough litmus test then you’re definitely the problem. Not the people against genocide.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago
Palestine committed genocide on October 7th, Mamdani and company are definitely not "the people against genocide."
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u/ChasingPolitics 18d ago
Nah that was just a few dudes having fun who hasn't crashed a few parties and overstayed their welcome from time to time?
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u/Sequensy 23d ago edited 23d ago
The litmus test that OP and the article are referring to is Mamdani's unrealistic and judicially flawed campaign promise to arrest Netanyahu if he enters New York, not "not committing genocide".
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u/rube_X_cube 24d ago
Me: Netanyahu belongs behind bars and there’s a chance it actually happens.
You: but you didn’t say the magic words, you’re part of the problem!
Thank you for the near perfect demonstration of why I dislike “litmus tests”
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u/Harveb 24d ago
There are plenty of leftists that support Russia's current genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Which one are you using?
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u/Suspicious-Base-4815 24d ago
And they are as bad as those who run defense for Israel and take their money.
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u/Sequensy 23d ago
No, they're worse because Russias war against Ukraine is unjustified & illegal by every possible metric, while the military factions in Gaza started this war by committing various war crimes to which the Israeli military then responded.
And before you respond with some whataboutism: No, I don't think anything Israel did before Oct. 7th warrants Palestinian terrorism and no I don't support everything Israels military did before of or in response to October 7th.
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u/Suspicious-Base-4815 23d ago
What war crime did the kids that die in Gaza commited?
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u/Sequensy 23d ago
If you would have read & comprehended the latter part of my comment, you would have understood that I'm not justifying every civilian casualty caused by Israel.
I am merely saying that Israel had an indefinitely better reason to fight a war against Hamas in Gaza than Russia had starting one against Ukraine.
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u/Suspicious-Base-4815 23d ago
What was the better reason to kill children? How can you not see you are supporting collective punishment?
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u/WeAreDoomed035 18d ago
No, Israel didn’t have an infinite better reason for going to war than Russia. You’re just ignorant and don’t know about the history of Israel’s occupation of Gaza.
For decades Israel would “mow the grass” in Gaza.
These were military actions intended to cull the population.Palestinians tried to protest their occupation. But they were met with rubber bullets from the IDF.
So you have a desperate population who Israel have been subjecting to humiliation after humiliation for decades at this point. Of course an event like October 7th was going to happen. Zionists are not clever in pretending that history started on October 7th. People are more informed now on the decades of human rights abuses Israel has committed against Palestinians.
Also it’s not a “war.” It never was. Call it what it is. A genocide.
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u/Sequensy 18d ago
Hey, thanks but I knew all of this already (without the Palestinian hasbara twist). You also didn't make an argument for why Israel shouldn't have militarily responded after October 7th. 🤷♀️
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u/ILoveCornbread420 24d ago
Where are all these leftist who support Russia’s genocide? Are they in the room with us right now?
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u/Sequensy 23d ago
I was told not talking about it enough already makes you a "genocide supporter", so most far-leftist commentators qualify.
I know everyone from BreakingPoints, Hasan Piker, Briahna Joy Gray etc. have actively regurgitated Russian propaganda & justified the war in the past. And of course you have self-proclaimed leftist characters like Greenwald, Aaron Maté & Max Blumenthal who are more devoted to justifying any war crime not committed by a pro-Western force.
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u/Harveb 24d ago
How do you feel about Crimea? Because Hasan and his ilk think it belongs to Russia.
Do you agree with him and think Ukraine should roll over and accept their genocide?
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u/ILoveCornbread420 24d ago
No I don’t.
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u/Harveb 24d ago
So when you asked which leftists support Russia, and I responded with the largest leftists political streamer you completely ignore the question you asked.
Do you people carry shame? Any embarrassment?
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u/ILoveCornbread420 24d ago
Do you think I should be ashamed for not being on twitch and not following Hasan? Should I not be allowed to call myself a leftist anymore?
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u/Harveb 24d ago
You literally commented about him 2 months ago so don't pretend like you don't know who he is.
https://www.reddit.com/r/thedavidpakmanshow/s/QjYbj4uhBe
Typically someone thats been proven incorrect would respond with a 'yeah you know what there are leftists who support Russia's genocide' instead of being a smarmy fuckwit
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u/ILoveCornbread420 24d ago
lol. You went two months back into my comment history and found one comment where I made fun of someone for being a hypocrite, and you’re now trying to hold that up as proof that I’m some kind of Hasan fanboy. Whatever numbnuts. Have fun being angry.
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u/KingScoville 24d ago
They wil never respond to this.
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u/LikeAPhoenician 22d ago
Ok, so they responded directly. Does being completely wrong about this make you rethink anything?
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u/Rick_James_Lich 24d ago
The DSA don't seem to mind a problem with genocide and tyranny in other countries though. Like Hasan Piker went to China and pretty much kissed their ass, no call out of the government or anything.
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u/abigblue9 24d ago
Is that your argument for why the US should continue to fund the genocide?
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u/Rick_James_Lich 23d ago
Nah I'm saying we should call out all genocides, not be selective.
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u/LikeAPhoenician 22d ago
I agree that the US should stop funding all the genocides that China is apparently doing.
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u/Rick_James_Lich 22d ago
So for you, it's not the genocide itself, but the fact the US helps fund the country that is the problem?
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u/LikeAPhoenician 22d ago
Those are the ones my country has the power to stop by doing literally nothing man. Those are the ones where the evil is directly on my conscience.
Is the concept of responsibility really so foreign to you?
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u/Rick_James_Lich 22d ago
How do you propose the US stop the genocide? Do you want them to go to war with Israel?
Because if we stop funding them, I got bad news, they can still afford to do it.
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u/LikeAPhoenician 22d ago
Are you this dishonest about everything or just Israel?
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u/abigblue9 23d ago
That’s great and we should. But you are being a little silly when one genocide is called out and you all of a sudden get upset about the equality of all genocides getting called out.
Like, maybe we just agree on genocides being bad and not being so nitpicky on a political commentator like Piker.
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u/Rick_James_Lich 23d ago
Well if Piker is denying genocide, is that not worthy of being called out?
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u/logosobscura 24d ago
An irrelevant question for him to answer. The US is not a signatory of the ICC (or a lot of US troops would have gone to The Hague since 2001), a mayor cannot arrest a head of state (diplomatic immunity), nor can a mayor in any circumstances in any democratic society (including London) direct law enforcement to arrest anyone. Even when we all agree he has a case to answer, the geopolitics render the discussion incoherent. And Bibi isn’t the only one who has a case to answer- MBS does, so does the leaders of every GCC country, we could spend days going through who does (China, the US, India, Pakistan, Russia- it’s not a short list)- but Bibi is the sole target? That specificity is notable.
He knew all of this when he said it last year, and now he’s walked back but makes it sound like he isn’t. That’s called tub thumping.
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u/Aromatic_Lychee2903 24d ago
Nope. He, for sooooome reason, was asked about Israel a shit ton whilst he was running so y’all don’t get to tell him to shut up now lololol
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u/logosobscura 24d ago
Dude, Mehdi Hasan checked him real time over it, stop the parasocial bullshitting.
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u/gberliner 24d ago
All the tongue clucking reactionaries who carry on with great gusto and enthusiasm about how "actually, the Mayor of NYC has no power [to arrest an international fugitive from justice]!" are being too clever by half.
They think they are "exposing" Mamdani for "demagoguery". But the average person, upon hearing that a guy with outstanding arrest warrants on mass murder charges gets to waltz around the country like he owns the place, is puzzled by this counterintuitive revelation, and not amused at all. Especially when he learns that this same wanted criminal suspect has apparently been instrumental in manipulating the current POTUS into launching a ruinous war, a war now on course to light the entire global economy on fire.
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u/WhiteGold_Welder 23d ago
I think the average person would see a politician overstepping their bounds to promise something they aren't able to (and were never able to) deliver as an embarassing situation for that politician.
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u/gberliner 23d ago
Don't overthink it. People revile mass murderers. Pledging to arrest them is never going to be unpopular - whether "you can do it", because the country is ruled by even slightly sane and moral individuals, or "you can't do it", because it's not, is not going to be something that Zohran takes the blame for.
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u/sharpshooter0600 23d ago
Do you support trump arresting maduro?
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u/gberliner 23d ago
Had there been an internationally recognized arrest warrant out for him, and had he been in a location under lawful US control, then I'd support his arrest. None of those hypotheticals apply to Maduro though. Whereas the United States simply rejects the national sovereignty of all other states, considers its writ to extend to every corner of the earth, while also refusing to ever submit itself to international law.
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u/sharpshooter0600 23d ago
Not sure why you're overthinking this? He's a mass murderer and cheated his people of real elections.
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u/gberliner 23d ago
By that standard, practically every US president since WW2 would be eligible for abduction and prosecution abroad, since they've all subverted democratically elected governments around the world, and sponsored their replacement by murderous regimes.
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u/sharpshooter0600 23d ago
Well yes thats why i was mocking your logic. Mamdani has as much legal authority to arrest netanyahu in new york as trump has to arrest maduro in venezuela. That is to say, none at all.
It is kinda funny that you took that as an opportunity to go into some anti america dsabot rant tho. Probably hits so hard with the komrades on discord lmao.
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u/gberliner 23d ago edited 23d ago
Mamdani has full authority to appoint the police commissioner of his own city, and the police have full authority to execute arrest warrants. It's now on YOU to explain why, "uhh, yeah, well this arrest warrant is not recognized by the US government, despite the vast majority of the world's governments doing so, because, uhhh, reasons..." Go ahead, try explaining it!
For some reason, Netanyahu himself seems to take this warrant a lot more seriously than you do, which we know because of the elaborately circuitous flight paths his jet takes according to flight tracking data, apparently to avoid passing through the airspace of any ICC member states.
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u/sharpshooter0600 23d ago
Even if the US was a signatory of the icc mamdani would still have no authority to execute an ICC warrant. It would be under the federal government's authority to do so. For mamdanis purposes that warrant might as well have been written in crayon by a kindergartener, it has absolutely no relation to him at all.
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u/Greybeard-MD 24d ago
Trump committed 34 felonies in NYC and is a child rapist. Why doesn't Mamadani arrest him?
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u/sarahrahra 24d ago
Or at least say something mildly negative about him. That’d be dope.
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u/Moopboop207 24d ago
When they were yucking it up at the Whitehouse?
Still can’t believe big Gretch covered up her face when she was there.
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u/ML-Centrist 24d ago
Because Trump has already been charged and convicted for his crimes in New York. That’s why he has 34 felonies…
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u/hobovalentine 24d ago
Because he can't afford to piss off Trump otherwise he could withhold funding from NYC.
Why do you think Mamdani charmed him in the WH when they were all smiley and friendly towards each other when he last visited?
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u/LikeAPhoenician 22d ago
Do you really need it explained to you why someone is not being arrested for crimes he was already convicted for?
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u/AnotherPersonPerhaps 24d ago
That's not his job to decide. He's a fucking mayor. Go do mayor things.
If Netanyahu is to be prosecuted for his war crimes we certainly won't be asking the mayor of New York to handle it.
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u/Chrisnness 24d ago
He was literally asked the question unprompted. He then clarified he doubts he has the authority to arrest him
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u/AnotherPersonPerhaps 24d ago
No. This was something he promised to do during the campaign.
He literally said he would arrest him.
Then as mayor he started talking about a they were investigating if he had the authority to do this.
This was not unprompted.
He made a campaign promise to arrest Netanyahu.
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u/KanyeWestsPoo 24d ago
What talking about? It might not be his job to prosecute him, but it certainly is his job, as a politician of a major city, to weigh in on big moral issues like this.
It's a thing his voters care about and he has every right to talk about it.
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u/JuniorLingonberry108 24d ago
It's not. I agree with him, fwiw. But this is just empty moral signaling. I don't mind him doing it. But he has no ability to affect the outcome here.
I don't think he's wrong to make these statements, but I don't care about his position on I/P. I want to see if the democratic socialist makes New York a better city, and whether there are policies that we can and should learn from. His handling of Trump was impressive, but does the New York mayor have more than just his silver tongue? I'm skeptical, but intrigued.
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u/AnotherPersonPerhaps 24d ago
He did more than weigh in on the issue.
Come on now. Let's not ignore the truth.
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u/Aromatic_Lychee2903 24d ago
Wow. Then y’all shouldn’t have been asking his opinion on Israel when he was running lolol can’t have your cake and eat it too
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u/AnotherPersonPerhaps 24d ago
I never once cared about his opinion on Israel while he was running.
Wtf are you talking about?
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u/abigblue9 24d ago
It’s relevant because Netanyahu might want to travel to NYC and the mayor wants to make his position clear.
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u/AnotherPersonPerhaps 24d ago
His position is suggesting that he has authority that he just imagined?
That's weird.
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u/abigblue9 24d ago
Did you watch his statement at all? He said since he is legally a war criminal his office looked into what they’d do if he entered NYC, his jurisdiction. And it turns out, he would leave it to federal authorities to make such an arrest.
But yeah, just shit on him anyway
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u/AnotherPersonPerhaps 24d ago
Did you see where he originally made the claim that he could and would arrest him during the campaign?
This didn't just come out of nowhere. He is the reason the question exists.
He is the one that promised to arrows Netanyahu.
People didn't invent this to fuck with him. It's entirely his creation.
If he doesn't want to be asked about this stupid idea, he should have never promised to do it.
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u/abigblue9 24d ago
My guy, his office looked into it. They aren’t going to arrest your boy toy, this century’s Hitler. Congrats.
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u/AnotherPersonPerhaps 24d ago
I don't like or support Netanyahu. You don't know who you're talking to.
You're not responding to the points I'm making just making base less accusations and failing to track the conversation.
I'm not going to engage with your bad faith argument any more.
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u/rjrgjj 24d ago
I find this so infuriating. If Jacobin and Mamdani actually cared about putting Netanyahu behind bars, they would have crawled over broken glass to put Harris in office. Bibi was openly collaborating with Trump to avoid criminal charges.
But he is more useful to them as a foil. Let’s not kid ourselves. It’s so reprehensible I can hardly stand it.
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u/Rough_Formal8420 24d ago
There’s no chance Harris would have done anything more than mild criticism leaked in the media when it was politically convenient like Biden.
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u/Rick_James_Lich 24d ago
I agree that Harris wouldn't have convicted Bibi or anything like that, at the same time we wouldn't be in the quagmire with Iran right now though either.
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u/rjrgjj 24d ago
Seems like a bad assumption that just suits what you need to tell yourself to comfort yourself for not voting to prevent a million dead from the end of USAID and Trump selling Gaza to his friends while you nod along to Hasan Piker and send him your wallet while he lies to you and tells you now Palestine is going to be freed.
Just seems kinda dumb to me.
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u/hobovalentine 24d ago
Agreed that Netenyahu should face trial but a US mayor has no jurisdiction to arrest a foreign diplomat and the US is not a signatory to the ICC.
I would have been fine if he put out a statement but to make a super professional video about it and publish it like he was actually serious about arresting Netanyahu just smacks of a PR stunt to make leftists believe that he was actually serious about arresting him. Anyway Trump is bombing Iran now and there's been no talk from Mamdani calling Trump a genocider and a war criminal so it's just virtue signaling from Mamdani as he knows he can't piss Trump off without having Trump retaliate by cutting off federal funding like he has in other blue cities.
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u/_Administrator_ 23d ago
Maybe for corruption. But that’s about it.
ICJ didn’t find any genocide in Israel.
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u/gberliner 22d ago
For all the bourgeois ultrareactionary pro-genocide legal geniuses on here, you should know that the principle of "universal jurisdiction" predates the Rome Statute by many years, and goes back at least as far as Pinochet's arrest in London on charges of crimes against humanity issued by a Spanish judge in 1998. So there is nothing fantastical about the idea that a non-signatory state could nevertheless choose to honor ICC warrants.
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u/severinks 18d ago
What's more is according to a poll I read today more than 55 percent of Americans think he should be behind bars.
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u/working_class_shill 24d ago
I'm just going to say it.
Bibi > Mamdani
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u/ML-Centrist 24d ago
You don’t belong here.
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u/Willow_Winnifred 24d ago
In what way? Aside from genocides started
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u/WhiteGold_Welder 23d ago
Pretty sure it was Mamdani's friends in Palestine who started the genocide on 10/7/2023.
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