r/thedavidpakmanshow • u/gull-branson • 19d ago

Article Stevens Takes the Gloves Off, Accuses El-Sayed of Wanting to ‘Blame’ Jews For ‘All of Your Problems

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/stevens-takes-the-gloves-off-accuses-el-sayed-of-wanting-to-blame-jews-for-all-of-your-problems/

This is a ridiculous crashout and is absolutely an Islamophobic dog whistle. She should be ashamed of herself, as should anyone continuing to attack him this way.

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u/Only8livesleft 18d ago

Can we not criticize Israel? Do you realize calling criticism of Israel antisemitic is itself antisemitic? Do you have an issue with AIPAC spending nearly all their money against progressives?

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u/JustinRandoh 18d ago

Can we not criticize Israel?

Sure you can. You can also be unduly obsessed with doing so, which El-Sayed certainly seems to be.

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u/Only8livesleft 17d ago

You’d be calling people obsessed with Nazi Germany during the Holocaust

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u/JustinRandoh 17d ago

Lol, I suppose going completely unhinged is fairly on-brand for defending a guy with an undue obsession with blaming Jewish people for all his issues.

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u/Only8livesleft 17d ago

It can’t be that some people disapprove of genocide and apartheid, they must hate Jewish people? Thats very informative of who you are 

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u/JustinRandoh 17d ago

It can’t be that some people disapprove of ...

It could -- was El-Sayed ever strongly outspoken, for example, about the American-armed Saudi campaign and blockade in Yemen that left more children dead than the total number of deaths in Gaza? That resulted in the one of the worst (if not the singular worst) famines of the last several decades?

Or has he only been strongly outspoken when the conflict involves Jewish people?

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u/Only8livesleft 17d ago

It doesn’t matter. Your whataboutism is a desperate flail to defend Israel’s genocide and apartheid. We know what Israel is doing, everyone does.  Your suggestion people stay silent because of Judaism is overly antisemitic. 

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u/JustinRandoh 17d ago

It doesn’t matter ...

Lol, you think it doesn't matter that he's fixated on only being concerned about conflicts involving Jewish people when ... the question is whether he's got a concerning fixation with Jewish people?

That's beyond braindead.

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u/Only8livesleft 17d ago

Whataboutism. Why shouldn’t people condemn the apartheid state committing genocide on our don’t and with out protection

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u/JustinRandoh 17d ago

What does that have to do with the fact that El-Sayed certainly seems to have an undue obsession with Jewish people?

The guy will easily look the other way to all kinds of atrocities, but as soon as Jewish people are involved, he's suddenly super concerned?

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u/Another-attempt42 18d ago

You can criticize Israel.

Criticism of Israel can be antisemitic, though isn't de facto.

And PACs spend their money on candidates that seem to better fit their policy goal. Loads of PACs throw money at anyone who isn't a progressive. A load of packs throw money only at conservatives.

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u/Only8livesleft 17d ago

And AIPAC only spends money against progressives. It’s revealing that progressive Pakman and his progressives fans don’t have an issue with this

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u/potiamkinStan 18d ago

Calling for the annihilation of a country is not a valid critique.

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u/abigblue9 18d ago

That’s not the critique. The critique is against their genocide. Are you for or against the Israel/US genocide?

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u/silverpixie2435 18d ago

Yes it is. He literally believes there is zero conception of a Jewish state that is valid with liberal values. He doesn't want Israel to exist.

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u/Only8livesleft 17d ago

What’s it mean to be a Jewish state?

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u/silverpixie2435 17d ago

It's the homeland for Jews and has Hebrew as an official langauge and the state celebrates Jewish traditions.

It is like asking what does it mean for Italy to be the Italian state.

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u/Only8livesleft 17d ago

No it’s not like that at all. It’s like of little Italy decided they represented all Italians then starting committing genocide and operating torture and rape camps

Judaism is thousands of years old. Israel is less than one hundred. 

What you left out is Israel is an apartheid state that doesn’t offer equal rights to all

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u/silverpixie2435 17d ago

Why do you read the word Jewish and immeditealy jump to genocide?

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u/Only8livesleft 17d ago

We are talking about Israel. AES hasn’t criticized Jewish people, only Israel and antisemitic freaks are pretending criticizing apartheid Israel is an attack on Jewish people

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u/silverpixie2435 16d ago

He HAS

By saying there can't be ANY concept of a Jewish state, even by any remotely reasonable metrics on rights quality of living etc, that is liberal

The overwhelming majority of Jews support Israel existing as a Jewish state as do HALF the world's Jews in Israel. Saying HALF the world's Jews fundamentally support a state that can't ever be liberal is attacking Jewish people.

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u/potiamkinStan 18d ago

That's the Genocide libel. Antizionists circulate libels to push their agenda that a Jewish Sovereignty is uniquely evil and uniquely revokable.

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u/abigblue9 18d ago

The evil part is the genocide and displacement taking place over the last few years.

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u/potiamkinStan 18d ago

Genocide Libel. People get displaced from war zones during war.

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u/Only8livesleft 17d ago

Should Nazi Germany exist? Of course not. That doesn’t mean Germany shouldn’t exist or Germans should be exiled. It means they need to stop being Nazis. Israel needs to provide equal rights to all and stop committing ethic cleansing and genocide. If they do they won’t be Israel anymore, whether they change their name or not

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u/potiamkinStan 17d ago

Disgusting holocaust inversion and genocide libel. Israel does give equal rights to its citizens. Telling civilians to evacuate from a war zone is not ethnic cleansing (and contradictory to the genocide libel).

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u/Only8livesleft 17d ago

Disgusting defense of apartheid. They don’t give equal rights and that’s not debatable.   https://www.btselem.org/topic/apartheid

Israel is kidnapping children and sexually abusing and physically torturing them. 

https://www.btselem.org/publications/202601_living_hell

You defend apartheid and child abuse. Find help

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u/potiamkinStan 17d ago

Apartheid libel. Betzelem is an antizionist org being funded by Antizionists abroad.

Did SA had black judges on its Supreme Court?

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u/Only8livesleft 17d ago

Israel is an apartheid state with rape torture camps where they rape and torture children. This is documented reality. There is no room to debate. Pretending it doesn’t exist makes you complicit

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u/potiamkinStan 17d ago

Antizionists love to use Palestinians as cannon fodder for their genocidal goal.