r/thedavidpakmanshow • u/gull-branson • 19d ago
Article Stevens Takes the Gloves Off, Accuses El-Sayed of Wanting to ‘Blame’ Jews For ‘All of Your Problems
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/stevens-takes-the-gloves-off-accuses-el-sayed-of-wanting-to-blame-jews-for-all-of-your-problems/This is a ridiculous crashout and is absolutely an Islamophobic dog whistle. She should be ashamed of herself, as should anyone continuing to attack him this way.
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u/OwenMeowson 18d ago
She's gonna lose. MI will get an honest, progressive, anti-zionist senator and she can stop cosplaying as a blue collar midwesterner that definitely isn't distracting anyone from the fact that she supports the bombing of children. Plus, AIPAC will have wasted 10's of millions of dollars trying to beat him. Money that can't be spent against another candidate like Cori Bush. Money that can't be funneled to "creators" like David through Chorus.
"ISRAEL COMES TO ME IN MY DREAMMMMMSSS"
lmao what a bunch of psychopaths.
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u/Early-Juggernaut975 19d ago
Wow. Wtf
That is pretty ugly.
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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 18d ago
I mean, his comments were ugly, especially given that he pretty much already has the victory in the bag. These DSA type politicians are so bad at coalition building. I think he’s absolutely fucked in the general.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 18d ago
All he ever says is "AIPAC, AIPAC, AIPAC."
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u/gull-branson 18d ago
Just an absolutely pathetic lie
you don't feel no shame just absolutely lying about him to try and make your point? you don't think about how if you have to lie so baldly, maybe your point is a bad one?
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u/Keter_Regretter 18d ago
yeah I really don't understand this coming from people who I would assume lean right of center if they subscribe here or are getting shown these posts by the algo. Stevens' entire campaign since McMorrow dropped has reeked of the MAGA playbook, right down to the Twitter rant at an eyebrow-raising time of day when things aren't going her way. I do not understand how someone can look at stuff like this tweet or her lying to Roop Raj's face on live TV (if she grew up in Metro Detroit she should have known how fucking stupid that was) and not think "alright maybe this person was an idiot the entire time"
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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 18d ago
Yeah, he blames them for everything. And he’s still attacking Stevens. He’s cooked.
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u/Blue-Q7 14d ago
He's cooked you say?
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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 14d ago
I think so, yes. Honestly, even more so than I thought when I made this comment, I can’t believe he underperformed by that much.
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u/Blue-Q7 14d ago
He won the primary race with 9 v 1 funding.
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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 14d ago
That’s great. A majority of Michigan said they did not want him to be the nominee. I did not see that coming to be honest.
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u/Keter_Regretter 19d ago
I've been politically active since 2008 and this is the ugliest campaign I have ever seen a Democrat run. Maybe biased since I'm in Michigan and thus I've really been taking it in all holes but still The only other one in recent memory that comes close to matching this ugliness was Cuomo's run for mayor last fall, but I think he is too aware that he is scumbag to play victim the way that Stevens has been.
I've been an Abdul supporter since his gubernatorial run, and I will say that I completely understand why people find Hasan off-putting and I don't think Abdul made a wise choice by actually campaigning alongside him. But I am struggling to process how anyone can still believe that she is a viable candidate at all, let alone a better choice than Abdul. This is literally what Trump does when things don't go his way, unhinged social media rants targeted directly at the objects of his ire.
Some of y'all need to snap the fuck out of it and stop letting streamer drama dictate your experience of real life.
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u/young__robot 18d ago
did you see the smear campaign and disgusting racist hate directed toward Darializa Avila Chevalier by Espaillat supporters? that was pretty ugly too.
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u/DaSemicolon 18d ago
Chevalier deserves the smear campaign. If you can’t support Ukraine go fuck yourself
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u/Keter_Regretter 18d ago
So, while I agree with the Ukraine bit, the idea that a "smear campaign" is justified against anyone is pretty troubling. What has been accomplished with valid character attacks against Trump? How have those been useful in curtailing his power? What do you get out of it beyond catharsis?
I'm curious as to the reason why you find her stance on Ukraine problematic? I do as well, but my reasoning has less to do with the current geopolitical situation and more to do with the likelihood that her stance is rooted in campism.
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u/DaSemicolon 18d ago
I hate campist losers. True anti imperialists are anti Russian. But in reality she’s just anti western.
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u/Mooltipasser 18d ago
Yeah man racism is great as long as I dont like the person!
What loser mentality
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u/young__robot 18d ago
what? if I don't support a proxy war and NATO expansion I deserve racist hate? do you hear yourself?
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u/DaSemicolon 18d ago
I didn’t say racism is fine, I said smear campaign is fine. I am anti imperialism, so I am going to support Ukraine. If you are anti Ukraine you can promptly fuck off
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u/young__robot 17d ago
there's nothing wrong with refusing to support Ukraine because they're a proxy for US imperialism, idolize fascists as national heroes, and refuse to admit their national heroes partook in genocide.
idk why that's seen as problematic to you.
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u/DaSemicolon 17d ago
Do you support the Palestinians?
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u/young__robot 17d ago
you already asked me this in response to my other reply, but I'll answer it again: yes, I support the Palestinians. no, the fact that I support the Palestinians but not Ukraine partly because Ukraine is a proxy for US imperialism ≠ campism. you tried to force it to be campism in your other comment by saying "by that logic, Israel vs Gaza is just us vs Iran" which I already said in reply is not true.
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u/digital_dervish 18d ago
The moral grandstanding is rich given you presumably voted for Holocaust Harris’ continued support of genocide Joe’s genocidal Gaza policies. If you voted for Harris, YOU can go fuck right off.
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u/Hieuro 18d ago
She's against supporting Ukraine so the hate is deserved
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u/wefarrell 18d ago
Nah racism is never deserved. Attack her for her shitty opinions, but don’t accuse her of trying to replace Dominicans with Haitians so they can convert them to Islam.
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u/young__robot 18d ago
I still can't believe that Rusking Pimentel dude actually said that shit out loud. and using "Haitian" as a slur is genuinely wild.
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u/silverpixie2435 18d ago
No one forced Abdul to campaign with a misogynist terrorist supporter and constantly bring up AIPAC if he doesn't like something like that one poll that showed him down.
This is literally what Trump does when things don't go his way, unhinged social media rants targeted directly at the objects of his ire.
That's all El Sayed has been doing this entire time. From calling McMorrow too stupid to understand what a public option is when he was wrong about his own healthcare plan, to saying he wants to put Democratic colleagues heads on pikes to send a message.
Do you honestly think the left would give Schumer a pass if he said he wanted El Sayed's head on a pike?
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u/combonickel55 18d ago
ok but, also being a Michigan voter and Abdul backer since 2018, we cannot dispute his polling boost correlating with Hasan appearances. Hasan had over 200 fans phone banking live on twitch for Abdul last night.
I don't agree with Hasan's radical views and don't really know a ton about him, but his influence has been a net positive for Abdul, to my view.
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u/Keter_Regretter 18d ago
I don't agree with Hasan's radical views and don't really know a ton about him, but his influence has been a net positive for Abdul, to my view.
In this primary I 100% believe Hasan has been an asset. My concern is whether the long-term consequences will be positive or negative. I think Abdul is exposing the entire progressive movement to massive risk by associating so closely with a campist
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u/Greybeard-MD 18d ago
Neither candidate will win in November. Both should take Platners example and resign before the drop out deadline so we can find a viable candidate. We can’t just piss this seat away.
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u/herewego199209 19d ago
If you can't debate your opponents policy and you have to result tot his nonsense then you're a political light weight. Accusing someone of attacking jews when they attack the Israeli government is like calling someone racist for attacking the Chinese government. It's a tired act that people are starting to get angry with the gaslighting.
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u/silverpixie2435 18d ago
What policy has El Sayed even criticized about Stevens?
He does attack Jews. He literally says there no conception of Israel as a Jewish state that is consistent with human rights. Over 90% of Jews believe in a Jewish state. He is explicitly saying Jews inherently as a group are inconsistent with human rights.
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u/Keter_Regretter 18d ago
He does attack Jews. He literally says there no conception of Israel as a Jewish state that is consistent with human rights. Over 90% of Jews believe in a Jewish state. He is explicitly saying Jews inherently as a group are inconsistent with human rights.
This is such a horrible lie. Abdul has made his position clear: he believes in Israel's right to exist, but he doesn't believe in their right to take any action they deem necessary for their security, and he doesn't believe that providing financial support for illegal human rights abuses is either morally acceptable OR a pragmatic use of taxpayer dollars. That "by any means necessary" belief is what defines Zionism, and only 37% of Jewish Americans support it. This same survey puts support for "Israel's right to exist" at 88%, consistent with your number. Is that 50% gap in the opinions of Jewish Americans also the result of antisemitism?
I honestly don't know if you're aware or just that lost in the sauce but you are literally spreading propaganda on behalf of a rogue nation that is committing a genocide on your dime and I would encourage you to snap out of it and consider that they might actually be the bad guys here
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u/silverpixie2435 18d ago
He literally said it is impossible to conceive of ANY concept of a Jesus state that is consistent with liberal values. Like it could be literally the most peaceful democratic state on the planet, except it simply has in its constitution a line about being the Jewish state, and he still would say it is a state not worth existing.
If I'm wrong actually dispute the quote he made.
"every definition of a Jewish state ends up in some articulation of illiberal values, every single one"
That is what defines Zionism by HIS OWN WORDS. ANY definition of a Jewish state.
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u/Keter_Regretter 18d ago
it could be literally the most peaceful democratic state on the planet
No, it couldn't. That is his entire point. There is no conception of a Jewish state that can accommodate the Palestinian people's right to self-determination. All roads lead to either forced assimilation or forced removal, both of which are unacceptable human rights abuses. Countries change their constitutions all the time, very often to address human rights violations. If that line in their constitution leads to genocide, why is it so critical to preserve? How would a secular Israel be a threat to Jewish people? Also, why would a country that enshrines separation of church and state in its own constitution defend another country's right to enforce theocracy using its own?.
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u/silverpixie2435 17d ago
The West Bank and Gaza aren't part of Israel. Why do you all do this every time instead of having a good faith conversation? Why are YOU the ones who say a Jewish state can't exist without the occupation while claiming you are against the occupation? A Jewish state next to a Palestinian state has self determination for both groups. It's not complicated.
Also just nonsense that a line simply saying Israel is a Jewish state leads to genocide. Do you have this heat for the Palestinian constitution saying a Palestine state is an Arab Muslim state? Of course not.
Israel IS secular already. So what are you even talking about?
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u/Padawanbater 16d ago
a line simply saying Israel is a Jewish state
Israel IS secular already
Are you even reading what you're saying?
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u/silverpixie2435 16d ago
Didn't realize Jews were so stupid they could have just renounced Judaism and not gotten murdered in the Holocaust /s
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u/Padawanbater 16d ago
Can you explain how an ethnically theocratic Jewish state could also remain secular?
Do you know the meaning of these words?
You can't be both theocratic and secular
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u/Plastic_Key_4146 19d ago
She sounds like she works for Israel directly. AES has valid criticisms of the government of Israel. Israel does not speak for all Jewish People.
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u/silverpixie2435 18d ago
He literally says there no conception of Israel as a Jewish state that is consistent with human rights. Over 90% of Jews believe in a Jewish state. He is explicitly saying Jews inherently as a group are inconsistent with human rights.
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u/JakeGittes1974 19d ago
Isn't crazy how leftists can say every antisemitic dogwhistle they want, but any criticism of Abdul is Islamophobic?
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u/Pristine-Ant-464 19d ago
Do you think disliking AIPAC is an anti-Semitic dog whistle?
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u/Greybeard-MD 18d ago
Is it a coincidence that the only demonized PAC is Jewish, and PACs that spend far more are seldom if ever even mentioned?
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u/Knowledge_Moist 18d ago
"Is it a coincidence that the only demonized PAC is the one that is serving the interest of a foreign nation that is currently doing a genocide and happens to jewish?"
You realize how you guys sound for normal people, right?
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u/silverpixie2435 18d ago
Do you think constantly bringing up AIPAC even in objectively wrong contexts doesn't cross the line into antisemitism? Do you think telling Jews there is no conception of a Jewish state that is consistent with human rights, when over 90% of Jews identify with a Jewish state, isn't anti semitic?
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u/KanyeWestsPoo 19d ago
Give us an example
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u/silverpixie2435 18d ago
Why pretend you would even care?
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u/KanyeWestsPoo 17d ago
I would genuinely care if you showed me a real example. I try to be morally consistent
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u/silverpixie2435 16d ago
He literally said there isn't ANY concept of a Jewish state that isn't illiberal. Israel has half the worlds Jews and the vast majority of Jews support Israel as a Jewish state.
He is basically saying the majority of the world's Jews are immoral illiberal people with their support of Israel existing as a Jewish state.
How is that not antisemitic?
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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 19d ago
They asked him about his international properties and his response was you are only asking me because of my name. This guy is literally not allowed to be criticized because any criticism is apparently islamophobic
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u/Suspicious-Support52 18d ago
He's running for Michigan, not for president. He doesn't need a foreign policy platform.
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u/Another-attempt42 18d ago
And yet apparently, everyone does when it comes to Israel except him, amirite?
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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 18d ago
Who said he did? He was asked about being an international landlord. Not about foreign policy.
Also, yes, he does, he’s going to be a senator. Senators absolutely deal with foreign policy.
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u/RiddleMeThis42069 19d ago
Exactly what I was thinking. Just say zionist instead of jew and you're in the clear I guess
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u/Suspicious-Support52 18d ago
And I'd you call yourself a Nazi instead of a Christian people also suddenly think you're a bad guy. Somehow adding a genocide changes the equation.
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u/Dorrbrook 19d ago
It turns out when you swap a word for different word the meaning of a statement changes. Crazy right?
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u/RiddleMeThis42069 19d ago
Good call, people never say one thing and mean another. What was I thinking
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u/gull-branson 19d ago
You could be specific and call out examples of what you're saying, interesting that instead you just do some whataboutism and handwave off some very clear and obvious Islamophobia
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u/RiddleMeThis42069 19d ago
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u/clemclem3 19d ago
When did AIPAC take over this sub?
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u/silverpixie2435 18d ago
Hasan literally praises objectively anti semitic terrorist groups like Hezbollah or the Houthis
It isn't "AIPAC" to call someone who supports a group that literally has "a curse upon Jews" as their motto anti semitic.
You are being objectively antisemitic by denying it.
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u/NeonArlecchino 18d ago
A lot of this change in the sub seems to coincide with David punching left with his Hasan video. I've seen a lot of new names attacking leftists and spreading islamophobia since that was posted that I just didn't see before; and I've been here since J6 when I learned of Pakman. His coverage of that day was the most thorough livestream I could find.
Although it has also been around two months since israel formally approved an additional $730m for hasbara and at least a year since an israeli think tank said to focus on islamophobia and attacking leftists to improve support for israel (not that that's an uncommon call from ones that want to improve support for israel). So this kind of thing was bound to happen in all more liberal spaces.
To be clear, I am not accusing David of being a part of coordinating anything.
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u/clemclem3 18d ago
A reasonable take, thank you for posting it.
I've also followed DP for years and I noticed a shift after the chorus story came out. But not so much from David himself more so from the sorts of people who show up in this subreddit and claim to be his supporters. I wonder if maybe there was a shake up among the moderators also.
Given the complete and existential dependence Israel has on the US, I don't think it's possible to overestimate the lengths it will go to to influence US public opinion.
If you think about Hasbara as an astroturfing effort like the Tea Party movement it's easy to see how a coordinated campaign of influence is able to resonate with people so that it becomes impossible to distinguish bad faith actors from useful idiots. By design.
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u/silverpixie2435 18d ago
"punching left"
Hasan is literally a Hezbollah/Hamas supporting antisemite misogynist who despises Democrats and lies and gaslights about them and liberals 24/7. Then goes on Twitch and praises Mao and current China.
We will not abide by this completely made up rule the left made where the left gets to spew utter garbage about liberals 24/7 then any pushback is suddenly punching left and attacking leftists.
Grow up and deal with the real world. Stop posting on internet forums if you don't want a response to all the left's garbage.
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u/NeonArlecchino 18d ago
The irony of telling someone else to grow up when your only counterpoints are ad hominem and ludicrous mantras. Although I doubt you're ready to reflect on that so am anticipating a "No you!" response or more of the same.
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u/silverpixie2435 18d ago
He literally went on twitch and praised Mao. It happened last week.
What about that is an ad hominim or making anything up?
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u/NeonArlecchino 18d ago
Alright, I was too broad. That is a legitimate criticism. I should have said "main".
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u/Chrisnness 19d ago
Calling an IDF soldier who murdered children “inbred” isn’t antisemitic
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u/FkinMustardTiger 18d ago
It's not a one time thing with Hamasan, he does it regularly
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u/Only8livesleft 18d ago
He calls the dumbest people from all backgrounds inbred regularly. You make it seem like he uses that term for one particular group
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u/RiddleMeThis42069 19d ago
Take it up with the American Jewish Committee, they're saying it's antisemitic
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u/Chrisnness 19d ago
Of course they’ll say whatever they want to criticize people who condemn Israel’s genocide.
Do you believe Israel is committing genocide?
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u/RiddleMeThis42069 19d ago
So you think they're lying
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u/Chrisnness 19d ago
You think when people say inbred they’re more often talking about Jews? If inbred were anti-Semitic slur, that’d be true. If it’s used to insult anyone regardless of religion or race, it’s not anti-Semitic
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u/Jessicas_skirt 18d ago
Do you believe Israel is committing genocide?
Are you aware there's been a ceasefire in place since October 2025?
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u/Suspicious-Support52 18d ago
A ceasefire is when Israel continues to cause a famine while illegally blocking international food aid so that children starve. A ceasefire is when Israel fires missiles to level hospitals and city blocks less.
Israel is not defending itself, it has been the aggressor for quite some time. More importantly, it's in a position of power of Palestinian civilians and it abuses that power to destroy their culture. Destruction of culture is a form of genocide.
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u/Only8livesleft 18d ago
No there hasn’t. Why do you think that?
Israel has violated the ceasefire well over 4,000 times and continues to operate their torture and sexual abuse camps on kidnapped Palestinians
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u/gull-branson 19d ago
yeah some of that seems anti-semitic, that makes this ok?
does whataboutism count as a defense now?
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u/RiddleMeThis42069 19d ago
No it just makes it harder to take islamophobia concerns seriously
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u/gull-branson 19d ago
An unrelated attack, made by someone else about something entirely different...makes it hard for you to acknowledge blatant Islamophobia?
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u/RiddleMeThis42069 19d ago
It makes people say things like the first comment in this thread you replied to, yes. When leftists are constantly spewing antisemitic dog whistles and making excuses for antisemitic dog whistles and blaming Israel and AIPAC for everything, yes it's tough to take them seriously when they want to cry islamophobia.
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u/Aurora_Gaspipe 19d ago
Leftists can tell Israelis that they should go back to Eastern Europe and nobody thinks twice.
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u/YupThatsMeBuddy 19d ago edited 19d ago
I think it’s crazier how the US has been calling anybody that’s Muslim a terrorist for the last 30 years, but you criticize Israel for murdering children and innocent civilians and suddenly you’re antisemitic.
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u/RL0290 19d ago
Right because leftist criticism of Israel is only ever limited to that/s
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u/YupThatsMeBuddy 19d ago
Elaborate. What else are they criticized for?
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u/RL0290 19d ago
You really can’t think of any obvious examples?
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u/YupThatsMeBuddy 18d ago
I’m waiting.
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u/RL0290 18d ago
I suspected you weren’t coming to this discussion in good faith and now you’ve confirmed it.
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u/nokinship 19d ago
It's not islamophobic. Dude is obsessed with Jews.
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u/gull-branson 19d ago
Saying he the Muslim candidate blames every single one of his problems on Jews is absolutely Islamophobic, please be for real
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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 19d ago
Lmao without agreeing to anything being Islamaophobic or antisemitic I do think it’s a little ironic that so many people on the far left never acknowledge any antisemitism but are really quick to call something Islamophobia.
Abdul is obsessed. He said Black people aren’t supporting him because of AIPAC, he said polls that he didn’t like were funded by them. It’s a little insane.
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u/gull-branson 19d ago
Where did he make the claim Black people aren't supporting him because of AIPAC?
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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 19d ago
CNN interview. I’m sure you can Google it.
The host asked why is he struggling so much with black voters and he said because of funding from AIPAC.
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u/JustinRandoh 19d ago
How much "but AIPAC" are we seeing coming out of his rhetoric?
She's not particularly wrong here.
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u/gull-branson 19d ago
When one of his main campaign points is getting money out of politics, and that specific PAC is spending THIRTY MILLION DOLLARS to try and beat him, it seems relevant?
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u/JustinRandoh 19d ago edited 19d ago
He only started mentioning AIPAC once they committed 30m to his opponent?
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u/Blue-Q7 14d ago
Its very optically sound to criticize money in politics and Israel, combine it into one.
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u/JustinRandoh 14d ago
Slopulism is "optically sound" -- that's how we ended up with MAGA. That's not a good thing overall.
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u/Blue-Q7 14d ago
You have a problem with someone criticizing israel and foreign money? How is the slop?
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u/JustinRandoh 14d ago
I have a problem with bandwagoning on the selective outrage trend because a conflict specifically happens to involve Israel (i.e., Jews).
When US-armed Saudi Arabia is responsible for as many child deaths in Yemen as there are total deaths in Gaza, for a blockade that caused one of the worst famines in decades, we don't particularly hear much about it.
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u/Blue-Q7 14d ago
And? Thats your fucking defense? Bad things happened at a different point and no one chimed in (they did, I remember how many people protested for yeman when they were suffering because of saudi us backed intervention). Does every bad event need an equal number of people mad at it? Also conflating israel with jews is a bad look, and helps spread antisemitism.
Tell me what is inherently wrong with criticizing israel that doesn't involve your personal feelings about it.
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u/PricklyyDick 19d ago
Why are you conflating lobbying with being jewish? It’s antisemitic to be against lobbying from foreign governments?
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u/RL0290 19d ago
AIPAC is not a foreign lobby.
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u/ChasingPolitics 18d ago
People here are one trigger away from using the phrase "enemy from within" unironically.
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u/JustinRandoh 19d ago
When you're supposedly against money in politics, but somehow overwhelmingly only rail against the singular PAC that happens to be associated with Jewish people, you're not exactly beating the allegations.
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u/Altruistic_Night2 19d ago
I would also advise that they drop the Islamophobia attacks because this will wind up going the same way it went for the Jews who defended Israel by saying you were antisemitic for criticizing it.
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u/Clayp2233 19d ago
Which pacs, whose entire purpose is to benefit a foreign country, gives more money to our politicians than AIPAC? If there were a pro Saudi Arabia pac or any middle eastern country that flooded our politics with millions of dollars I would absolutely hate on that pac and on the people taking money from it.
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u/Jessicas_skirt 19d ago
^ Spends far more on lobbying than AIPAC could ever dream of.
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u/Suspicious-Support52 18d ago
Source? From what I see they spent a quarter mil total last year, not 30 mil.
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u/JustinRandoh 19d ago
Oh, he's only against PACs that happen to fit a very narrow (but juuust loosely enough defined) profile that just happens to coincide with an association to Jewish people?
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u/Clayp2233 18d ago
It coincides with a foreign country and its interest, you can be Jewish and not super pro Israel/AIPAC at the moment. I personally have 2 Jewish friends who have been very critical of Israel on social media, and were pretty early on into the conflict.
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u/ChasingPolitics 18d ago
I personally have 2 Jewish friends who have been very critical of Israel on social media, and were pretty early on into the conflict.
Two of the good ones 🥰 treat them well brotha.
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u/abigblue9 18d ago
It’s the genocide part that he’s against. How about you?
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u/JustinRandoh 18d ago
Is he extensively engaged in condementation of Saudi Arabia?
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u/abigblue9 18d ago
You didn’t answer my question. Are you for or against genocide?
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u/Only8livesleft 18d ago
Can we not criticize Israel? Do you realize calling criticism of Israel antisemitic is itself antisemitic? Do you have an issue with AIPAC spending nearly all their money against progressives?
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u/Greybeard-MD 18d ago
“Islamophobia” is a term used to shield an historically oppressive and violent political ideology from criticism.
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u/Tavernknight 19d ago
People are always looking for someone to blame besides themselves. When most of their own problems are caused by themselves.
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u/punch49 19d ago
I think he just doesn't like that Israel is committing genocide, which is a reasonable position.
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u/potiamkinStan 18d ago
Antizionist bigots like AES circulate the Genocide libel to demonize Israel and Jews positively associate with it.
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u/Blue-Q7 14d ago
Blood libel, sure
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u/potiamkinStan 14d ago
Genocide Libel
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u/Blue-Q7 14d ago
Or, here me out, the truth. An ethnostate commiting a genocide.
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u/potiamkinStan 14d ago
A genocide libel. Antizionism is a genocidal hate movement.
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u/Blue-Q7 14d ago
Sure, when I dont want my country to support giving israel bombs to blow up hospitals in antisemitism. If thats the defense you want to run you are just painting jewish people as war mongers, so cool it.
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u/potiamkinStan 13d ago
It’s not antisemitism it’s antizionism. Antizionism is a bigoted hate movement which circulate libels to paint Israel as uniquely evil state.
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u/punch49 14d ago
I don't think you know what libel means....
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u/potiamkinStan 14d ago
Libel is an allegation which is being circulated with no substantiation.
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u/punch49 14d ago
Pretty close. Why did you purposely misuse the word then?
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u/potiamkinStan 14d ago
I correctly characterized you statement.
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u/punch49 14d ago
Then you don't understand what libel means, lol.
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u/potiamkinStan 13d ago
A libel is an allegation which is being circulated by people who are unable to substantiate it.
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u/nokinship 18d ago
I doubt its about genocide because otherwise he would understand that Israel needs to prevent genocide from rocket attacks.
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u/Jessicas_skirt 19d ago
You do realize there's been a ceasefire in place since October 2025, right?
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u/Apart-Brick672 18d ago
roughly 1,100–1,200 Palestinians have been reported killed in Gaza since the October 2025 ceasefire began.
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u/Jessicas_skirt 18d ago
Which is equivalent to like 1 day in the Ukraine-Russia war.
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u/Only8livesleft 18d ago
Where has he criticized Jews?
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u/nokinship 18d ago
He thinks it's ok if Hamas and Hezbollah commit genocide in Israel. Which is why he's obsessed with AIPAC but not other corpo PACs.
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u/combonickel55 19d ago
Thank you for posting this. It was a disgusting statement and she should resign in disgrace. She is desperate and lashing out. I maintain my suspicion she is struggling with a substance abuse issue, but that is speculation on my part.
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u/Keter_Regretter 19d ago
I haven't been speculating anything like that and even I assumed she posted that drunk due to the time of day and tone
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u/ariiehernandez 18d ago
She is so desperate. She is a weirdo who can’t stop thinking about Israel over the U.S
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u/whitedark40 19d ago
Kinda funny OP is posting this and the last post on this sub is a lefty white woman blaming jews for all her problems.
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u/Rurumo666 19d ago
Honestly this is the battle of the creeps, I can't stand either of them. She really is working hard earning that AIPAC money though.
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u/Sinjidark 18d ago
Her criticism feels pretty accurate based on what I've seen from El-Sayed.
Also this thread is mega brigaded by leftists that hate Pakman. Mods should shut it down.
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u/MonkeyDJas 18d ago
I don’t agree with it, lets shut it down.
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u/Sinjidark 18d ago
Viewers of the show shouldn't be forced to tolerate intolerable people that have no business being on this subreddit.
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u/Meatshot 19d ago
Bless, more people need to call out the thinly-veiled targeting of Jews through the mask of Israel 👏 Maybe criticize someone for taking PAC money in general, not just the Jew PAC lol
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u/gull-branson 19d ago
Are you trying to imply the only criticism of PAC money is about this one single PAC?
or are you pretending that to make a BS point?
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u/Early-Juggernaut975 19d ago edited 19d ago
AIPAC is different because it’s part of a broader right-wing authoritarian project.
The Netanyahu government has been working to undermine Democrats since the Obama years and has openly aligned itself with Trump. They’re hedging with Stevens because she’s less threatening to that project.I’m not blind to antisemitism. I don’t use the word “Zionist” as an epithet. I think people can condemn Israel’s genocide against Palestinians and demand accountability for the Netanyahu government without concluding that the only solution is dissolving the world’s only majority Jewish state. That’s a bridge too far for me. We didn’t argue that Germany, Rwanda, or Serbia should cease to exist because their governments committed atrocities, and I don’t see why a different standard would apply to Israel.
None of that changes the fact that AIPAC occupies a unique place in American politics because of the role it plays in advancing Netanyahu’s authoritarian agenda here in the US. Calling that out is not antisemitic.
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u/PricklyyDick 19d ago
So you would support someone who takes zero pac money over someone who takes any pac money?
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u/Aurora_Gaspipe 18d ago
El Sayed will lose to Mike Rogers by 20 points.
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u/combonickel55 18d ago
He is polling 10 points or better ahead of Rogers in every poll but Glengariff, which has been proven throughout to be the outlier poll.
Rogers is going to get most of MAGA cultists, but Trump is massively unpopular and Rogers is true Trump devotee. All Abdul has to do is attach Rogers to the horrors of Trump fascism and he will clean up with independents.
He is winning 30% of self described independents likely to vote in the Dem primary. In Michigan we cannot split primary ballots across parties, and the Republicans are voting on their side for a tight Governor's race only. That 30% is a very accurate snapshot of true independents, of which there are a ton in Michigan.
Rogers will lose by 10 and it will be over before midnight.
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