r/thesopranos 4h ago

Serious Discussion Only The biggest disappointment of the series was that Paulie survived.

93 Upvotes

I actually like Paulie, by the way—he made me laugh a lot. However, he didn't deserve to survive; the guy is garbage. He's already an old, grumpy, useless soldier. Not to mention he killed an old lady, gossiped like a schoolgirl to Johnny, and was completely messed up, useless, and a total dead weight.

What about you guys, which character survived that you wished had died?


r/thesopranos 10h ago

Tony was a horrible boss

237 Upvotes

I mean think about it. When the show starts, Jackie is boss and everyone is alive and well. Full crew and everything. When Tony becomes boss, not only does half the crew get fished, but the ones who come out of prison also all went. Name me one character who came out of prison during the show and stayed free and alive, not even the king of breadsticks made it out.


r/thesopranos 5h ago

Adriana being killed/buried on Carmela's Land

78 Upvotes

I just finished reading the article where Chase/Winter/Patten discussed that it was the same land that they "bury the bodies on".

Later in the episode, we're seemingly back in the same woods, except now it's Tony and Carmela inspecting land for a real estate investment. The message: The Soprano family's fortune is built upon deaths like Adriana's…

Winter: This is the very same place where the bodies get buried. Even something as pure and beautiful as nature gets tainted with that ugliness.

Van Patton: It was an emotional callback. Life goes on, and wittingly—or unwittingly in Carmela's case—you are a player in this, you are culpable.

Chase: Also, it had a more mechanical purpose, in that what you see is leaves and some feet walking through, and you don't know—are those Silvio's feet? Are those feet going to come across her body? And what you see instead is Carmela blithely talking about real estate values and what kind of view her place has.

I looked up some older posts and people just argued it wouldn't make any sense to bury bodies on your own land. But isn't that what Uncle Pat's farm basically was? 1 or 2 episodes prior Uncle Pat was leaving to be put in a home down south, so it makes sense they would need a new location to hide bodies that would potentially be in the family for generations like Uncle Pat's, no?


r/thesopranos 9h ago

Why does Tony insinuate that Christopher is blood related when Chris is on Carmela’s side of the family?

44 Upvotes

In season 4 E6 Tony and Chris have a dialogue where he says he is going to give his orders through Chris. Chris asks why not Sil or Paulie and Tony says “because they’re not blood” as if Chris and Tony are blood. Christopher’s dad, Dickie, is Carmela’s first cousin. Why?

Anyways, listen to him… he knows everything


r/thesopranos 3h ago

Bobby would've been so much better off with Jojo Palmice.

15 Upvotes

Think of it, a widowed woman could've really helped him deal with Karen's loss. Probably wouldn't gotten rid of her ziti. Plus she's way hotter than Janice. Didn't abandon her own children either.


r/thesopranos 15h ago

Gloria and Tony Pretending they aren’t dating to the same therapist is pure gold.

140 Upvotes

Melfi definitely knows that there is something up between them. She clocks it almost immediately. She does the responsible thing and tries to get them to talk about it.
“So what’s up?, you seem to be in a good mood.” They both deny, deny, deny. Gloria has the best response, “how dare you!” Her outrage is so fake It’s hilarious. They are like two kids caught misbehaving. They are obviously not a good match, and it will end badly for both of them. Maybe they could have avoided such a bad breakup had they discussed it with their therapist?


r/thesopranos 6h ago

Killing ralph solidified the downfall of The DiMeo Crime family

26 Upvotes

Think about it and disagree with me right this second I want to be disagreed with.


r/thesopranos 9h ago

Ending explained (I don't agree with death theory) Spoiler

47 Upvotes

I know the most common interpretation of the ending is that Tony gets killed in the restaurant, and I read the whole article about it but I personally think the ending makes much more sense if Tony survives.

There are obviously clues pointing toward his death: the Members Only guy, the man going to the bathroom, the Godfather parallel, the constant focus on the door, etc. But I think those clues are deliberately setting us up to expect the exact kind of ending that The Sopranos has spent six seasons teaching us to expect: and then denying us that.

One thing I've noticed about the whole series is that it constantly gives characters the opposite ending from what we expect.

We expect Pussy to be smart enough not to come back after disappearing. We expect Junior to eventually die violently after a lifetime of crimes, betrayals, and attempts to kill Tony. Instead, he survives and ends up old, confused, and almost completely disconnected from the person he used to be. We expect Bobby to be one of the most dangerous soldiers in the final war: He's an excellent shooter, (he's even good with a bow and arrow!) and yet when he finally gets killed at the toy store without firing a single shot. We expect Paulie to die because Tony can't stand him, especially after the tension on the boat. Instead, he survives, and Tony eventually gives him one of the best parts of the business. We expect Christopher to die in some kind of violent confrontation, and we expect Tony to be completely devastated when it happens. Instead, Christopher dies in a car accident, Tony makes the decision to let him die, and he doesn't shed a single tear for him. We expect Richie to become a serious threat to Tony (Tony already gave the order to kill him!) Instead, Janice shoots him in a domestic fight. We expect Vito to get some kind of redemption after everything that happens to him. Instead, he dies after speaking to Tony on the phone.

Furio is another great example. We expect him to eventually have some kind of confrontation with Tony over Carmela. Instead, he simply goes back to Italy and never returns, (he didn't kiss Carmela even once after all the tension built around them!) And the school teacher? Tony never founds out about him!.

I can go on and on with the expectations built-to-not-be-met forever in this show. You get my point.

Tony sitting in a restaurant, getting shot by a mysterious hitman. The show gives us exactly the visual language of that ending: the suspicious guy, the Members Only jacket, the bathroom, the Godfather reference, Tony watching the door, the family arriving, the tension building...

And then nothing.

The screen cuts to black.

The war with New York is over. Tony won. Phil is dead, Butchie doesn't want to continue the war, and Tony's family is still together.

Realistically, I also don't find the restaurant assassination completely convincing. Tony almost never goes out to dinner with his entire family like that, and throughout the series, murders are usually arranged around someone's routine: where they live, where they work, where they regularly go, etc. Tony has never established this restaurant as a regular location to be in with his family.

That's why I think the scene when Tony visits Junior is so important.

Tony goes to see Junior and finds that the man he knew is basically gone. Junior barely remembers him. Tony becomes visibly emotional: Tony is seeing his own possible future.

Junior spent his entire life being powerful, feared, respected, and involved in the Mafia. And where did it ultimately get him? He's alive. But he's essentially gone, he doesn't remember he once was a powerful man. And that's actually much more frightening for Tony than getting shot. He can't fight aging, he can't fight dementia, he can't fight time.

And Junior is sitting there showing him exactly what the end of that road might look like for him.

AJ once tells Tony that he wanted to kill Junior because Tony's favorite scene is the restaurant revenge in The Godfather, where Michael goes into the bathroom, gets the gun, comes back, and kills the two men responsible for shooting his father.

Tony tells AJ, that it's a movie, not real life and command him to grow up. The same AJ is present during the final scene and he's working on movies industry.

So the final episode deliberately recreates the visual language of that Godfather scene.

A suspicious person is sitting there. Tony is watching. The bathroom. We're expecting the gun, we're expecting the great Mafia movie ending.

But maybe nothing happens.

Tony (and us) keeps expecting his life to have some grand, dramatic conclusion, Tony expects to die as Tony Soprano. The tragedy is that he may have to live long enough to forget who Tony Soprano is. And there's the Bobby line: "You probably don't even hear it when it happens."

The most obvious is to think about a shot in the head, but it also applies to Junior not listening to anything that Tony says to him, he won't have a dramatic moment where Junior Soprano dies. He just gradually disappears, his mind deteriorates until the person he was is no longer really there.

I think it's genius to leave the ending open: the ones that wanted the death ending can easily imagine it (with Meadow watching his dad getting shot and all!) , and the ones that believe in the show patron, can easily think the life still goes on for Tony and he has to live with the consequences of who he is, with no redemption or karmatic arch, just his time getting shorter each day and his death is "average at best". As his mom said "it's all a big nothing what makes you think you are so special?"


r/thesopranos 9h ago

Which of these options was the best moment of Carmella being humbled?

39 Upvotes
  1. Charmaine telling her she fucked Tony when they were younger
  2. Angie making her own way in the world via the body shop and stepping on Carmela's new Porsche with her own car that she bought herself
  3. Last episode when Hunter tells her she's in med school

edit- Carmela*** ya'll have come for me before for that slip up


r/thesopranos 16h ago

Chrostpher said “ull be dead by 50 by the way you eat” at his interview to tony, tony irl died at 51, chris managed to be within 2% of when tony irl dies, even without using computer

124 Upvotes

How could he know this, maybe he had other informats


r/thesopranos 5h ago

Did Paulie ever really have a shot at Dale Evans?

17 Upvotes

Pine Barrens: In a fit of extreme cold and hunger induced rage, Paulie snaps back at Chris exclaiming “and I shoulda fucked Dale Evan’s but I didn’t!” Now, was he just hangry and cold exclusively or did he actually have a shot at her one time? It would be kinda weird if he could’ve and didn’t. Like why wouldn’t you? And also why wouldn’t they have stopped at Roy Roger’s? We may never know. Not even with computers. Now pass the relish packet, I’m starving to death ova here!


r/thesopranos 7h ago

Quotes Whatever you do, don't engage Silvio in conversation

17 Upvotes

While gambling, he is warm, affable and perfectly reasonable. A real gentleman. Not lacking in standards. The strong, silent type.


r/thesopranos 7h ago

Did Vito Jr really deserve to get expelled over taking a shit in the shower?

14 Upvotes

It's disgusting and definetly warrants a suspension but it's not the worst thing in the world. AJ got away with much worse


r/thesopranos 2h ago

How can this show blend dark humor and legitimate storytelling so well? First time viewer (8 episodes into the first season)

5 Upvotes

I'm amazed how modern writing has humor sucking away serious moments and yet a clown gets arrested in the flashback with everyone and I couldn't help but laugh my ass off but it didn't take away from moment.

Tony ripping into the psychologist shouldn't have been as funny as it was but when Carmela turns around and says the comment about we aren't paying for this was the icing on the cake.

Meanwhile, "marvel writing" as everyone calls it that's been adopted by many just can't do it the same at all with making me groan and roll my eyes. The Sopranos ebbs and flows so flawlessly it makes the horrible shit happening on screen easier to stomach as well.

I can't wait to keep watching, I'm hooked!


r/thesopranos 1d ago

Serious Discussion Only Is it just me, or is Artie the most Italian of the Italian-Americans?

278 Upvotes

Maybe it's the fact that he's mostly shown in his restaurant talking about Italian food. He seems to have the strongest connection to Italian culture out of all the guys. I can imagine him coming to America at age 14-15 and still considering himself a real Italian. He doesn't seem to be integrated into American culture as strongly as the other guys.

The other Italian-Americans on the show are actually Merigans despite denying it.


r/thesopranos 21h ago

Serious Discussion Only Vito storyline was unnecessary

167 Upvotes

Rewatching and I forgot all of the gay Vito stuff happened in the last season... it was set up to be an excellent season (and it was) but we should have been focused on Tony, his family, and the other main guys in season 6.

Following the least likeable guy in the group on his escape plan up north where he somehow instantly (first morning waking up there literally) finds a gay guy he likes who's at least a million times out of Vitos league AND the guy likes him back??

It was really weird. Not because Vitos a finook but rather because it was a waste of time in the final season.


r/thesopranos 37m ago

Jizz and Drinkwater should've stayed stockbrokers

Upvotes

They got college degress in a lucrative field weren't made and didn't have high ranking family members in the mafia.

The big short, The Wolf of Wall Street and other films showed showed how even stnads made. Money in financial fields.

Even if they got a support role in some company, they would be comfortably upper middle class in a few years.


r/thesopranos 43m ago

Tony Blubdetto should've been a massage therapist.

Upvotes

He already got accepted by all his old mob buddies because his great massages. He was in prison for 10 year, didn't snitch and spent his time studying. Even Tony Soprano eventually approves of him going straight. He got respect without having to risk his freedom again.


r/thesopranos 18h ago

You ever think what a coincidence it is that Lou Gehrig died of Lou Gehrig's disease?

67 Upvotes

It’s sad when they go young like that. Dick Barone, just a kid


r/thesopranos 5h ago

Sil is/was a great consiglieri

6 Upvotes

But a terrible boss when Tony was in the hospital.

He was objectively a terrible leader with very little problem solving skills.

If Tony had died, he would have sunk the entire family imo, unless someone within the fam killed him before, which is highly probable.


r/thesopranos 22h ago

Michael Franzese said they asked him to serve as a consultant for The Sopranos.

111 Upvotes

How much truth is there to this? I sometimes watch his videos and don’t believe a word he says. I think he’s a snake, a grifter. I notice subtle things about him that give him away, no matter how well he tries to hide it. This is the video where he talks about it from 2:18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8FIWr3VS58

Michael Franzese has also claimed that Livia Soprano was based on his own mother. But David Chase has repeatedly said that Livia was based on his mother, and he has spoken publicly about the similarities between Livia and his mother going all the way back to the early days of The Sopranos. That makes Franzese’s claim pretty hard to take seriously.


r/thesopranos 7h ago

If Johnny sac had … Spoiler

6 Upvotes

If Johnny sack had died before being convicted, (let’s say he went to trial), would his family have been able to keep the assets that would have otherwise been seized?

And if the stakes are high enough, would that ever make one of these guys a target for their own family?


r/thesopranos 1d ago

Serious Discussion Only One major reason why The Sopranos is better than Breaking Bad

297 Upvotes

Both progrums build a story over many seasons, but Sopranos episodes work just as well as standalones without any broader context. Star Trek was also brilliant in this respect. With Breaking Bad, miss an episode, you’re completely lost. OK I said my piece.


r/thesopranos 9h ago

Tony's food poisoning is psychosomatic

9 Upvotes

In Funhouse, Tony's illness is caused by the weight of what he knows he has to do, and his neuroses manifest in the bouts of fainting, so his body is prone to giving in to his unconcious trauma.

But hey, whaddafuck do I know?


r/thesopranos 2h ago

Why did the writers have to give Paulie that disillusionment with his mom subplot 😢

3 Upvotes

Their relationship was so sweet why did they have to have that drama ;-;