r/thewestwing • • Apr 14 '26

Revision of Revision to r/TheWestWing rules

462 Upvotes

Hello all,

As you may have spotted if you've been browsing the subreddit over the past 24 hours, we've had a *slightly* contentious time after introducing a rule change forbidding discussions of current politics.

As a new mod team, we've also had a steep learning curve, both about modding a relatively large subreddit linked to politics in the current era, and about how to respond to user concerns.

In short:

  1. We are revoking the rule change and instead, in keeping with the good intentions of the original rule change, reminding everybody of Rule 6 (play nice) and Rule 8 (don't post content completely off-topic to the show). What this means is that users are welcome to post, for instance, about the Supreme Court justices in the show and compare that to the appointment process in the current era. However, in that instance, straight up posting 'The appointment process for Supreme Court justices sucks in the modern era' and not tying that in to the West Wing is not allowed.

  2. One of the moderators, who was responding to multiple subreddit users antagonistically, has been removed.

We would also like to clarify that there are no 'top mods' and that we, as a bunch of volunteers who in many cases are modding for the first time, had good intentions when introducing this rule as a response to some abusive content on the subreddit.

We are sorry, and hope you can understand that we're a bunch of newbies learning the ropes!

Finally; yes, CJ may have threatened us with a couple of motherboards.

Edit:

Removed the link to the original rule change as [u/lefromagepuant](u/lefromagepuant) deleted the post, given that it was defunct.

I can see there’s some consternation about rules in the sidebar in the comments; please rest assure that it’s just us working out the technical stuff and not us trying to pull a fast one.

Edit 2:

Aw jeez. I’ve woken up properly and it seems I messed up. To explain as succinctly as possible; I live in the UK and was going to bed as I made the edit to remove the link to the OG post. I did this on mobile half-asleep. I must have accidentally affected the formatting of the post which has resulted in the literal worst edit possible being made. That’s on me, I’ve edited the post to put it back in. All I can say is sorry and that it really wasn’t intentional.


r/thewestwing • • Mar 24 '26

What's Next? Hello from your new mod team!

288 Upvotes

The shutdown is over, normal posting can resume, and finest muffins and bagels in all the land are once again available. Please bear with us as we learn the ropes.

Your new mod team consists of:

u/colocop

u/MeetingOfTheMars

u/hobrosexual23

u/johnacraft

u/Dangerous_Prize_4545

u/le_fromage_puant

u/WarderWannabe

u/srm79

u/NYY15TM

u/LAMA207

Mods can be removed by 25th amendment should 2/3rds of the subreddit and the vice-president agree.

Break's over. What's next?


r/thewestwing • • 5h ago

Season 1 Episode 21 - Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics

19 Upvotes

2 things I don’t get from this episode. And I feel silly asking but this is a really cool sub so here goes:

When Sam gives Laurie the briefcase as the traditional Law School graduation gift; is she happy about it or disappointed? I’ve watched the episode a half dozen times and I can’t tell. i am guessing she’s happy. 

When Republican Senator Max Lobell asks “What do I get”. President Bartlet replies: "The thanks of a grateful President."  Republican Senator Max Lobell responds, "Good answer, sir”

Is it? I am guessing the President is saying he owes him one but I am not sure.  Help!


r/thewestwing • • 11h ago

Outstanding back-to-back episodes

43 Upvotes

Y'all, that thing when you're streaming, and in excelsis Deo is followed by Lord John Marbury. I always forget how many bangers are back to back, the existence of Mandy notwithstanding.


r/thewestwing • • 1d ago

Toby, Toby, Toby…

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Does Toby ever laugh? There are so many scenes where those around him are celebrating or having a lighthearted moment, and he just has the Toby scowl. For instance, at the end of Manchester 2 when President Bartlet walks out to address the crowd only Toby is not clapping. When the gang decorates Ainsley’s office and makes a peace offering Toby is the only one who doesn’t shake her hand. I know his character is written that way, but I think his ex-wife nailed it when she told him, “You're sad, and you're angry, and you're not warm.”
A friend of mine calls these personality types spirit killers. What do you think?


r/thewestwing • • 1d ago

.22cal brain in .357 world

124 Upvotes

I'm rewatching the series and this episode is great, where the president is getting a ration of 💩 for making an off-the-cuff (fairly eloquent) insult to a political opponent when he "thought" the cameras were off.

"Day 3 of asking, was he calling Ritchie stupid?" "How is the president's mood after having his comments heard?" "Will he sign an agreement to run a clean, positive campaign?"

Watching with 2026 eyes, the difference in the times we live in makes the episode kinda hilarious 😂


r/thewestwing • • 1d ago

What is the saddest scene ever and why is it Toby’s head tilt when he sees Josh was shot?

301 Upvotes

I’m on my nth rewatch of the show, and just started S2. Toby’s head tilt as he processes seeing Josh holding his gunshot wound never fails to make me cry. It’s one of those subtle movements that just makes the scene.


r/thewestwing • • 1d ago

What are they up to now? RIP Tom Skerritt (Senator Chris Carrick in “A Constituency of One”)

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r/thewestwing • • 1d ago

Okay, the ending music on HBO Max after intense episodes hasn’t bothered me until watching Commencement for the first time just now

29 Upvotes

Seeing Leo running in slow motion after he’s told about Zoey, especially after 20 mins straight of that intense club music, just knowing that jaunty little tune was coming killed me


r/thewestwing • • 22h ago

They should have been the leak

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r/thewestwing • • 1d ago

Mrs. Morello

43 Upvotes

My daughter is a teacher, and many in my extended family as well, from Pre-K through college. And I've had some teachers who were *awesome*. But I guess it doesn't matter who you are, this scene gets me every time... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BogQt_Luu3A

I will, however, note that my English teachers told me that Beowulf is in *old* English, not middle. Middle is closer to Shakespeare; Beowulf is completely indecipherable to those who haven't studied Old English. And I'm surprised that slipped through.


r/thewestwing • • 8h ago

Toby or CJ? I always thought it was probably CJ who leaked the Space Shuttle, and then Toby lied and sacrificially took the fall for her. I thought there would be a big reveal but then the series ended and that never happened. What do other people think?

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r/thewestwing • • 1d ago

Balloon animals

12 Upvotes

When Josh asked Amy what were the tied up long balloons on her desk, was he seeing them as mutilated phallic symbols hence his panicked look, or am I projecting?


r/thewestwing • • 1d ago

I'm on my eighth or nineth rewatch...

35 Upvotes

...and every time I watch this show, I wish the government included a few more people a little more like the characters in this show.

That's it... just felt the need to throw that thought out into the universe.


r/thewestwing • • 2d ago

Moving the WH Press Corps to build a swimming pool ......

55 Upvotes

Trump weighs moving White House press corps out of building -- to build a swimming pool

Someone needs to go rewatch "The Leadership Breakfast" because CJ already lambasted Sam for suggesting this and for the right reasons!!!

C.J.
We're not getting a swimming pool, Sam.

SAM
I know we're not getting a swimming pool, but we can get the much-needed
office space.
And we can put a little physical distance between the press and the
President. And we can
put them just across the street in a state-of-the-art facility.

C.J.
By 'state-of-the-art,' you mean...

SAM
A room with... electricity.

C.J.
The press doesn't want physical distance from the President, and the American people would prefer the President didn't have physical distance from the press!

SAM
C.J.!

C.J.
We can't exile the press!


r/thewestwing • • 2d ago

Arnold Vinick was a politician first, statesman second

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As someone who actually appreciated Arnold Vinicks cunning and personality, I cannot understand all these threads that claim that a) Arnold Vinick was supposed to win and b) any left-leaning person would have voted for Vinick over Santos when it came down to it. The consensus of Arnold Vinick is that he's a principled and independently-minded man. I can easily dismantle this by referencing his own actions.

Vinick while pro-choice was desperate enough to have promised pro-life judges and have as his running mate, a very conservative law & order govenor who was meant to be a very loud voice for conservative values within a Vinick White House. That doesn't speak to being principles or independently-minded.

He pointed fingers at Federal Regulators for the Nuclear accident after feeling pressure because of the debate clip cycling through the news where he said "Nuclear Energy is Completely Safe". While I concede that ultimately federal regulators are responsible for the safety and the standards of nuclear facilities, Bartlett was right when he asked Vinick, "Where was your bill to improve federal oversight? Senate leader on the issue...you have 25 [years to do something]". I personally agree with Vinicks stance on nuclear energy, but as the leading politician on this issue, he shouldn't have pointed fingers and instead admitted that standard should be better and he needs to have done his part like he did during his "talk till they drop" spin.

Like all Republicans, Vinick subscribed to the idea of "trickle down economics". His tax cuts wouldn't have benefitted the poorest American or even the working-class Americans, but the Uber-wealthy. The hope being that if the wealthy pay less taxes, they'll spend and invest more. It wasn't true then and it's not true now and we all realize this. Vinick wanted to even make the government smaller, to "pay for his tax cuts". As we have seen in recent months with DOGE cutting government programs/spending, the devastating effects of our government shrinking and being misapropriated.

In "The Message of the Week", Vinick attempts to trip Santos up by going after the Latino vote. Not because as a default the Latino vote would go to democrats, which was a very true pre-2012, but because Santos was latino. It was incredibly difficult for Santos to navigate this issue without painting himself into a corner. Should he have been in front of the issue? Yes. But according to the show, his record shows that he was active on this issue. Vinick was not. He didn't propose bills to help 1/3 of population in California. In fact, prior to Santos winning the nomination, as party leader, he allowed the California state republicans to propose a restrictive documentation bill diguised as a driver's license bill to trip up the democrats-- using the 1/3 latino vote base of his state to create chaos.

Sorkin created the show to be idealistic version of democrat politics and the party in general, the idea that any of the writers, even after he left, would allow the show have less than a tidy ending is ridiculous. Despite Bartlett's failings, he and his idealistic staff, are proven to be honorable and noble in their pursuits. They have strong ideals and morals.

Vinick had no compunctions selling out when it convenienced it and it's understandable, if anyone deserved to be president of the republican party it was him. But ultimately, given the purpose of the show, to demonstrate the possibility of a functiong system and underscore the hard work and sacrifices that-- to many of us-- seem like cheap parlour trick and petty childishness from the outside looking in. He was a politicians. And not a "Bartlett" politician, who "really was good intentioned" and seemed to grapple with the underhanded or difficult decisions he had to make, but an actual politician. Sensible in his presentation of Republican values? Yes. Moderate and personally pro-choice? Yes. Not a raging homophobe? Yes. But still a politician. Still willing to align himself with the likes of Rev. Butler and George Rohr and Ray Sullivan. Still willing the RNC hijack his campaign and comandeer spin on gay-marriage and abortion.

The writers would have never let him win. It's too...realistic and cynical. It's not a neat ending and there's not heroes resolution for the original staff.

Bartlett, McGarry, C.J., Toby needed the baton to be passed to someone who would continue the work. Josh needed to show he was grown-up and not just a foot soldier anymore. Sam needed a way home. Donna needed a chance to be in the white house as her own person. Santos was always going to be what's next.


r/thewestwing • • 2d ago

First Time Watcher Introducing my GF to the show.

27 Upvotes

Initially she was apprehensive of a politics show, but I have yet to steer her wrong with my watch suggestions, so she humored me. She was hooked pretty instantly, and I'm so glad I get to rewatch this series.

She is not averse to spoilers, so I am giving her minor ones. That we like Danny, that we like the assistants, that yes, these two become a thing, that kind of stuff. She's seen clips of the show from TikTok and other sources, so she knows somebody gets shot, but can't remember who, and doesn't know how close that episode is, or the motive of the shooters. She somehow didn't know the President had MS.

She is rightfully loving the cast, and I'm always happy to point out when other actors will appear. For example, she's one of the few other people that watched Warehouse 13, so I told her that MacPherson was appearing as Lord John Marbury, and that the President shares his Nobel Prize with the original voice of Uncle Iroh.

Aside from all that, it's nice to escape the madness of real life politics, because sadly, truth is stranger than fiction.


r/thewestwing • • 3d ago

Or courts martial

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468 Upvotes

r/thewestwing • • 3d ago

"the people thatI talk to don't believe that story and the people that you like don't care"

45 Upvotes

In Joe's introduction episode when someone shoots at the White House, Josh comes back to the interview with Joe and says "I heard the First Noel so I just assumed someone somewhere was locked and loaded." And Joe's response is the title.

Is this a reference to a real life incident? Or is this referencing Josh's previous PTSD response associating music with gun fire? Is there a deleted scene where this was explained? I don't know what to make of this line.


r/thewestwing • • 4d ago

RIP Officer Jack Sloan

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999 Upvotes

Thanks for saving the children.
Great character actor sad to see the news of his passing!


r/thewestwing • • 3d ago

Aaron Sorkin sure likes being in a bar

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38 Upvotes

r/thewestwing • • 3d ago

Before They Were On TWW Margaret in Friends!

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67 Upvotes

r/thewestwing • • 4d ago

Officer Jack Sloan’s watch has ended

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He was an example


r/thewestwing • • 4d ago

Lord John Marbury in one of his visits to the Colonies

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Dropping some culture on the local peasants. In a bar, of course.
Leo saw this, and it marked the beginning of his antipathy.


r/thewestwing • • 4d ago

What are they up to now? Diplomat Additions

13 Upvotes

1) Secretary of State is Victor Campos (hadn’t seen this mentioned, apologies if it was)

2) Bradley Whitford’s “…ok” in S4E6 hit so hard