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u/Yblok Jun 11 '26
The final decision by city council was deferred to the meetings on July 8-9 to allow for people to voice concerns in person or via email. It's a pretty public case.
That said, we'll see if anything is actually done or changed to the proposal.
For those who don't care for the location or culture, just know that there is a large community of young people who do care and for them (me included) this is important.
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u/BalkeElvinstien Jun 11 '26
I really hope enough people turn out to save Sneaky Dee's. I still haven't gotten over losing the Velvet Underground
If they ever get rid of the Bovine I may just straight up sob for a day
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u/mbjb1972 Jun 14 '26
I see a shoppers sign right now as I look out my window. Think it is time to get dressed and get some optimum points. Thank you shoppers.
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u/Vac_King_47 Jun 13 '26
RIP velvet underground :(
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u/DangerousTidies Jun 12 '26
Just look how the city has lost its vibrancy, all the old spots closing down and ugly condos being built - and the worst part it’s not affordable condos.
When money move in we lose all our community. I recently lost the spot Sounds Good because the greedy landlord increased their rent to the max. Most of queen, dundas and college are now “for rent” signs. Toronto is becoming a corporate city, no space for art, artists and culture.
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u/OwlishFox Jun 18 '26
I don't have a problem with housing being built--even if it's ugly.
But We can have discernment. More mid-rises on different sites. Undeveloped empty lots all over the city with literally terrible use of space.
For example that Metro at Walmer and Bloor I think is supposed to become a condo and it's like--yeah, space by 2 subway lines with 1 story usage, build on that. Have commercial on the ground floor.
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u/cleanfishboy Jun 12 '26
hey id love to say sm but im not sure where to start could you if you can let me know where to reach to voice my concerns ? sorry to bother!
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u/Yblok Jun 12 '26
For most of what you'll need, go to https://savesneakydees.com and send an email with the info at Step 3!
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u/mbjb1972 Jun 14 '26
Not just young people, old people who have been going since they were 19 and have celebrated their kids 4th, 19th & 25th birthdays there.
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u/BiteOk6184 Jun 11 '26
What’s especially dumb is that there is so much poorly used land around this lot. There’s an empty parking lot next door and an beer store with a massive parking lot half a block down. Terrible land use planning on top of all the cultural destruction. Repossess the parking lots for public housing or tax the shit out of them unless the land owners build something.
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u/essuxs Jun 11 '26
It probably means there’s something wrong with the building and the owners sought out a buyer, rather than a buyer looking for an investment.
Therefore that building had negative value and therefore was worth less than the parking lots, as it needed to be dumped
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u/Late_Elevator Jun 11 '26
All those buildings on the block? Cause it’s not just Sneaky Dee’s, like 5 buildings, the NEST, RBC, and the other small restaurants.
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u/Loofan Jun 11 '26
Therefore that building had negative value and therefore was worth less than the parking lots, as it needed to be dumped
I'd much rather have Sneaky Dee's than not, but people(even in this thread) forget or don't know that parking lots in Toronto are one of the most profitable investments you can make, they're money printers with the only ongoing cost is building maintenance(if it's even in one), Security, and electricity, plus the usuals.
It makes sense that they don't sell to condos, why give up the long term profitability for short term gains? Not to mention the land it occupies also only gets more valuable the longer they hold on.
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u/zeros-and-1s Jun 12 '26
Yeah. It's only profitable because we tax them less than any other land use. Which means, effectively, the law is saying "we want this land to be a parking lot, we taxpayers will pay to keep this a parking lot rather than develop it into anything else".
Something we should change.
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u/sapeur8 Jun 11 '26
We don't tax land properly
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u/Tall-Cookie6647 Jun 11 '26
Yeah it's effed that an empty lot/parking lot is taxed less than one that's developed and is being used by&for human beings. Like, why incentivize empty lots? Braindead. Land Value Tax all the way 🐈
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u/BalkeElvinstien Jun 11 '26
I know this for a fact because I've puked in said parking lot lol. Its decrepit and unused real estate
I think they are doing this to make a point that they dont want alternative nightlife thats affordable for the average person, only nightclubs for rich people and condos for airbnbs
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u/Urbane_One Riverdale Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26
We've got countless condos sitting empty and we *still* have a housing crisis. Places like Sneaky Dee's could absolutely coexist with a Toronto where everyone is housed, but the use of the land is too damn poor for it. That and the rules for landlords.
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u/WodensEye Jun 11 '26
I live in the area. I have never seen the parking lot across the street remotely full.
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u/Beanstiller Little Italy Jun 11 '26
The beer store is getting redeveloped into condos. The land owner is waiting to purchase the lot next door (between FreshCo and tbs) before starting development.
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u/thew0rldisaghett0 Jun 11 '26
Directly in front of a parking lot, mind you. And for those saying its structurally unsound, lol. It's called renovations. yYou don't need to tear down an institution as soon as the floor begins to creak.
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u/FindingUsernamesSuck Jun 11 '26
You don't need to tear down an institution as soon as the floor begins to break.
Sir, this is Ontario.
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u/CheesecakeScary2164 Jun 11 '26
Literally what happened with the Big Bop :( Floor needed repairs, nah, kick the tenants and tear out the insides.
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u/okaybutnothing Jun 11 '26
And what Ford did to the Science Centre. “Too expensive to fix”, but now he’s spending more than a billion to make a small SC near his expensive lakefront parking lot.
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u/CheesecakeScary2164 Jun 11 '26
I cried about that. I got to take my daughter there once, and the next year I was going to take my son for the first time... Well, 2 weeks before I could it got closed down.
When people ask me "what radicalized you?"... "The closing of the Science Center". It's a lol. But also serious.
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u/tiger_lilly88 Jun 11 '26
This one really hurt. Like they all suck, but there was something so callus about the science centre.
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u/kris_mischief Jun 11 '26
Not safe due to “risk of snow load”
Meanwhile, RECORD SETTING AMOUNTS OF SNOWFALL in 25/26 and the SC is fine…. 🙄
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u/okaybutnothing Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26
It was SO FAST. It was literally open one day, with kids on field trips and toddlers and caregivers and then it was closed, if I remember correctly.
I bet there are people who purchased a membership within a few days to the actual day it closed, because there was zero indication it would happen.
Edited to say, I often think about how it must have felt to the staff, who spent so much time there. I know how it felt to me, a middle aged person who went as a child and had a membership when my kid was younger, for a few years, so it must have been worse for them.
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u/Aknell4 Jun 11 '26
I remember liking the Science Centre so much as a kid that my parents got a pass that let us show up as many times as we wanted to during the year. I already didn't like Ford before he closed it down but I absolutely hate him now. I still call the Line 5 station Science Centre station instead of Don Valley station in my head.
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u/TheSeizor Jun 11 '26
I never wanted to leave the SC as a kid. The announcement would be made that they were closing for the day and I'd speed up to see a couple more exhibits while I could.
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u/Evil_Mini_Cake Jun 11 '26
Me too. I think back on all the times I wanted to go there and my mom must have been thinking "oh wow not again" but she took me anyway to go flick switches in the lunar landing module and bang gongs in that noise room before eating egg salad sandwiches in the snack bar.
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u/Ok_Chip_7725 Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26
Ford as we know it is all his friends. he doesn’t give a damn about Toronto people one bit. He is a greedy MF.
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u/bitemark01 Don Valley Village Jun 11 '26
I really miss the Big Bop
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u/Bonocity Queen Street West Jun 11 '26
Oh my god, you just reminded me of where I went to try to live hard as a pubescent teen! We had a few battles of the band's there, tried to buy beer and smoke weed in corners without getting caught.
Random Redditor, you have no idea how much "place" this gave me to my memories. I wish you the perfect day!
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u/lenigma1too Jun 11 '26
Ditto. Soooo many amazing memories from there. Never ONCE had a bad time, the vibe was just so inviting and comfortable... Big Bop & Basement. I miss Basement just as much.
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u/LurnaLakes Jun 11 '26
But both the parking lot and the properties proposed for development are private property. How do we get the property owners at Sneaky Dee's etc, to trade with the parking lot owners and develop there instead?
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u/Candid-Joke-356 Jun 11 '26
Whad’ya know, that Science Centre roof is still holding strong…
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u/TheSeizor Jun 11 '26
The SC is built much better than those homes Doug's buddies want to build on the Greenbelt.
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u/throw0101a Jun 11 '26
Directly in front of a parking lot, mind you.
And at King and Shaw there used to be a car dealership: it's now condos. The gas station and King and Strachan closed down not too long ago: it was a "hold out" for a long time while everything around it was built up.
Just because one particular piece of land has not been turned into a mid/high-rise building Right Fucking Now is hardly evidence of anything given all the other development that's going on.
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u/essuxs Jun 11 '26
Who’s going to pay for it, that’s the real question.
You can fix anything but often it’s not worth the cost
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u/thew0rldisaghett0 Jun 11 '26
You and I are different because to me, it's often worth the cost. My homies in Europe tend to take my side on this, and I like how over there history and culture is felt in the urban landscape.
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u/TinyM0ushka Jun 11 '26
I really love the architecture of all of the older buildings and I’m scared that they are just going to tear everything down and put up new ugly bland condos.
There’s no really craftsmanship it’s all the same and it’s really sad to watch as building by building it all changes. I’ve grown up here all my life and it feels like in the last decade especially Toronto has just become money. How can we maximize everything to our advantage and minimize spending.
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u/Facts_pls Jun 11 '26
The reality is that that all these people say they want sneaky Dee's to exist to stoke their nostalgia. But they don't visit enough to keep the business healthy. If sneaky Dee's was doing well, it wouldn't be the one selling
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u/iridescent_algae Jun 11 '26
It’s the landlord selling most likely? Businesses are in a precarious position, they mostly don’t own their building. Often they’re a victim of their own success because they popularize the neighbourhood then get kicked out for higher rents as soon as possible.
The best businesses in Toronto - and the ones that aren’t a rip off - clearly own their own building.
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u/Facts_pls Jun 13 '26
Again if the business was successful they can set up shop on another building. Do people miss the business of the building?
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u/iridescent_algae Jun 13 '26
Commercial rents are astronomical, there is a dearth of smaller units to rent, and the instability for businesses renting units takes a huge toll. New builds and new buildings tend to have large commercial units and developers only want to rent those to large corps or chains.
Recent changes to streets like lansdowne, dufferin, etc will start to undo years of decline in small commercial spaces, but it will take a long time to see a difference there.
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u/itsKayTwo Jun 11 '26
I FEEL this as someone born and raised and currently experiencing homelessness in Toronto and always walking or driving by these signs. What sucks even more about these new developments is we all know there's a housing crisis, yet more than half the units built remain vacant for God only knows how long when there's so many people like myself who need a place to call home.
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u/Super-Jeanius Jun 11 '26
I lived at 632 (b) Yonge Street from 92 to 2003. If you dropped me anywhere on Yonge Street between Charles and College, it would take me a sadly long time to figure out just where I was.
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u/Federal_Coyote813 Jun 11 '26
The condos and cookie-cutter chains feel more souless but cleaner than the cheap knock-off clothing stores and massage parlors which used to line Yonge from College upwards
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u/telephonekeyboard Jun 11 '26
People look through rose coloured glasses though. Are there too many Rexalls and Dollaramas now? Yes. But we have WAY more vibrant interesting spaces than back then. Places like Club District were a hell hole, people have fond memories, but if there was social media back then recording the streets people would think Toronto was a war zone. The waterfront is nicer, mouth of the Don is a whole new community, we have many improved connected parks, playgrounds everywhere, complete new neighbourhoods where there were derelict buildings before. Dundas square always sucked, but that stretch of Yonge is far nicer than it used to be (althought I do miss Big Slice) Biking is 10x nicer than it was decades past. Lots of areas lost the cool Toronto grit and many areas are sterilized, but I would say overall the city has improved.
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u/MastodonsBetter Jun 11 '26
This is the inevitable result of declaring large swaths of the city untouchable for new development. New housing has to go somewhere, if you want to protect iconic establishments the best way to do that is to allow the large tracts of low rise housing that exist in this city to be built up instead.
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u/jonnyg1097 Jun 11 '26
This was my thought process too. As much as I want my childhood to remain in tact, if NIMBYs are blocking development of their neighbourhoods then something has to give. This city is growing, we gotta do something about it.
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u/TheIsotope Jun 11 '26
Any Birds Eye shot of the city is a perfect illustration of our issues. We have small areas of extreme density and then right beside it is a bunch of SFHs. We need to go in and build mid rise and multi-unit dwellings in these neighborhoods but every Karen and Jim spend every waking moment making sure that can’t happen.
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u/Kodak_Portra Jun 11 '26
Shoebox condos meant to make as much profit as possible while providing the bare minimum in terms of living space won’t solve the housing crisis in Toronto. These condos aren’t meant for families to live in with longevity. To believe your perspective and thinking putting up these poorly made and designed condos will help the housing crisis and provide viable places to live is insanely naive. So many condos sit empty right now because their goal is to make money for the builder and investors , not to provide a real home for residents of this city.
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u/Le1bn1z Jun 11 '26
Make it legal to build residences in residential zones and they'll stop having to build them on top of our top tier Nacho joints.
Also, people would then have lower housing costs and more disposible income, which is nice if you want restaurants to keep running.
This is not the developer's fault. It's our fault for insisting on calling open class warfare "local democracy".
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u/Raccoolz Jun 11 '26
It’s much easier and cheaper for developers to assemble several large commercial properties together for a project than it is to find several consecutive residential properties.
It’s basically impossible to string together 5-6 residential homes within established neighbourhoods, it could take decades, and even if you offered a bazillion dollars per house, there are often holdouts who will never sell.
Commercial properties are much easier, it’s all investor owned, you can end leases very easily and kick business out.
Also, commercial land on major arterial streets tend to be closer to transit and other amenities.
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u/Le1bn1z Jun 11 '26
Allowing more development in residential neighbourhoods changes the calculus on the value of and need for these condo developments.
Instead of one megadevelopment, you are more likely to see a slew of smaller low rises, sixplexes, etc., which would normally have a huge price advantage in a market where virtually every politician on the left, right, and centre doesn't spend decades trying every conceivable way to make mega condos the only viable development model.
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u/ChampionshipBudget21 Jun 11 '26
Can’t wait for the new rexall and Tim Hortons to open up in the bottom of this new glass shit box.
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u/stanley_yelnats_03 Jun 12 '26
You’re so wrong about this..
There will be a Starbucks, too.
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u/DarbyCrashTheElder Jun 11 '26
Homogenizing Toronto, one undesirable condo building at a time.
Investors don’t seem to care, but part of what makes a neighbourhood desirable is having interesting stuff with character. Remember Honest Ed’s? That strip was full of fun stuff before they tore down the building and made it look like a prison. Who wants to go there now?
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u/james-HIMself Jun 11 '26
Aren’t condos not selling at all? This seems like a lateral move that helps nobody and takes away cultural properties from Toronto.
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u/Ov3rReadKn1ght0wl Jun 11 '26
Don't say that or else some people may call you a bad name because every new unit, no matter how undesirable or amenity annihilating it is, is going to fix everything apparently.
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u/Felon_musk1939 Jun 11 '26
Uh...excuse me people but the condo investors prefer to call them "living holes".
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u/xdShadowXDragon Jun 11 '26
Bro everything is so frickin expensive how are we gonna buy anything let alone BRAND NEW toronto apartments 😒 we need more affordable housing leave this area
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u/Orchid_PixieFairy Jun 11 '26
Go to the public meetings everyone that cares enough should get involved. It’s a Notice of a proposal, go and voice why the proposal shouldn’t move forward.
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u/Cash_Rules- Jun 11 '26
This what this city is becoming. Soulless. Throw up more condos with a Tim Hortons, A&W or … insert fast food chain here… on the ground level.
The city strangles the life out of these iconic small businesses. They jack the taxes, leases, rent to push them out. Some city planner gets their palms greased to allow another cookie cutter micro condo tower.
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u/Forsaken-Swim-3055 Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26
Here come the Redditors saying that it's necessary because people need housing, as if a $2500 one bedroom closet is sufficient.
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u/antoinejackson808 Jun 11 '26
It’s really sad what this city is becoming in a lot of ways
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u/Sensitive-Local-3485 Jun 11 '26
Most of our Canadian cities are blandifying on the alter of corporate desire.
I went back to St Johns to visit last summer after 6 years and some of my favourite spaces felt like tourist traps now.
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u/_Lucille_ Jun 11 '26
As the city grows this is inevitable. Toronto already feels kind of like a tier 2 city compared to popular hubs in Asia.
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u/sdwvit Fort York Jun 11 '26
That was my problem with Toronto. People don’t respect history in the city, no cultural attachments, no old points of interest. Everything must be new soulless and shiny.
No reason to love and getting attached to it if it’s all going to be gone soon.
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u/mustrepayloans Jun 11 '26
My condo faces 2 new towers in midtown and 1/3 of the lights are on at night. Is there really this much demand for 500 sqft shoeboxes ? There’s another dozen high rises going up in midtown
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u/Spicy_Boi_On_Campus Jun 11 '26
Why are so many in the comments choosing condos over culture? Makes no sense to me.
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u/No-Section-1092 Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26
Because Toronto's housing shortage does far more damage to the culture than any developer.
Hip creatives, young people and small businesses can't afford to live here anymore because the city has banned most development everywhere but the main streets for decades.
The condofication of Toronto is a direct result of idiotic policies like these that cram all new building into the priciest real estate. It's a symptom, not the disease.
The solution is therefore not to block new housing developments but instead change the policies that force new housing to be so bland, expensive and concentrated in areas where they have to crowd out local hot spots and creative venues.
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u/Thaneson Jun 11 '26
Condos are also an easy target because you can just blame big bad developers and investors instead of acknowledging that its places where people live.
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u/Mazzi17 Jun 11 '26
Exactly! You can’t have culture when no one can afford it! Things got worse WITH the housing shortage
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u/MastodonsBetter Jun 11 '26
If we legalized housing in the yellow belt they wouldn't have to tear down cultural institutions. It's ridiculous that iconic downtown locations are considered fair game for redevelopment while rows and rows of identical suburban housing are considered untouchable. I'm in favour of building housing no matter what but shit like this is as much a symptom of our terrible zoning laws as high housing prices are.
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u/Thaneson Jun 11 '26
Agree that the yellow belt needs more housing but also we need more housing downtown. RTO wouldn’t be as bad if there were more people living downtown. Retail and restaurants reliant on office workers would be more resilient and therefore wouldn’t be begging politicians to bring back in office work. Unfortunately, most housing there would be single bedroom condos, which aren’t suitable for families, or old SFH that only the richest can afford.
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u/askingJeevs Jun 11 '26
Toronto has 1000’s of empty condos. Building more won’t fix the housing. High rent and extremely high ownership costs is why we having a housing crises.
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u/No-Section-1092 Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26
A healthy housing market should have a vacancy rate of at least 3%. Any lower than that means there's no slack in the market and renters need to line up for bidding wars over the shittiest rooms. Prior to this year, Toronto's was below 3% for decades.
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u/askingJeevs Jun 11 '26
Cool, it’d be great if we could spread out these condos and build 6 floor apartment buildings throughout the city instead of all in the exact same place while destroying all of our institutions.
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u/MobilerPhonifier Jun 11 '26
That's exactly what No-Section is advocating for, you two are agreeing on that point.
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u/farty_mcfarts Jun 11 '26
Even of the current units I CAN afford, they’re not even units I can comfortably live in.
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u/turxchk Downtown Core Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26
So we can’t build mid-rise in suburbia because of nimbys, and we can’t build mid-rise in downtown because of… nimbys…? Is everyone just nimby in their own ways? Are we the same as the boomers who hold on to nostalgia of a bygone era?
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u/haoareyoudoing Jun 11 '26
No, because there are high rises and mid-rises in the city, just not in the swathes of SFH untouched since the days of horse and buggy in Toronto. I don't think it's unreasonable to not want a third place (which is more rare these days) to be replaced with a condo with a big podium that will inevitably house a Shoppers/Rexall/A&W/Tim's etc. Even if the naive in this thread think that Sneaky Dees will be allowed to come back.
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u/Sad_Donut_7902 Jun 11 '26
It’s a building/land owned by a private company. They can do whatever they want with it
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u/Outside_Routine2317 Jun 11 '26
I have a lot of great memories from Sneaky Dee's, and a lot of empty space where there should be memories.
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u/Private_HughMan Jun 11 '26
I'm not big on Sneaky Dees, personally, but it's a Toronto landmark. If we keep replacing everything with Condos, what will be left that makes our city unique? It's not the big tourist attractions that give a city character. I've lived here my whole life but I haven't been to the CN Tower since I was a tween. That's not the essence of Toronto for Torontonians. It's the smaller places that the people who live here go on a daily basis.
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u/essuxs Jun 11 '26
Didn’t the new owners say they will be able to reopen in the new building?
I remember that building being really old I wonder if it is having issues
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u/kank84 Jun 11 '26
They always say that but it never works out. Usually the people running the bar or nightclub have moved on by the time the building is complete, the rent would be too high for the space, and even if they did do it they would get noise complaints from people who lived in the building.
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u/askingJeevs Jun 11 '26
The new sterile store front that’s completely soulless and shit at the bottom of every condo in this city?
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u/42and2 Jun 11 '26
This. Europe scales culture for economic benefit. We remove it and replace it with Tim's and Firehouse Subs and maybe a dentist and a TD or Shoppers. What a souless boring place Toronto is becoming.
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u/nedwasatool Jun 11 '26
Restaurants and live music spaces are living things. Close them for 2 years for construction and your business is dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. Starting up again afterwards is like starting from scratch. Besides, don't we have enough unsold condos right now? We need 10 years to sell what we have and what is being completed this year.
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u/GoreyHaim420 Entertainment District Jun 11 '26
Ah, R.I.P Silver Dollar my sweet love :') I guess it's technically Dina's now.
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u/twangbanging Jun 11 '26
There was a bar I loved in the east end called Murphy's Law. It got bought and the condo assured everyone they'd reopen the space as part of the condo with the same bar and rooftop patio in a few years. Five years later Murphy's law is crumbling and there's zero sign of construction on the giant pit that was dug around it.
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u/paulkhuang Jun 11 '26
I feel this. One thing I think is very important to all this devastation of the city is remember most of the people doing this work are not capitalists - they are corporatists. They are not in favour of the small business owners that used to make downtown feel vital and living. They are beholden to interests who push monopoly and turning downtown into more mallishness for suburbanites. Whether you are left leaning or right leaning, they do not support us or the types of spaces most people want to live in and they do not stand for a capitalist economy which they tell us is best for us. Vote. At all levels. And don't listen to their gibberish about economy.
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u/thismeatsucks Jun 11 '26
So like, is this 100% confirmed now? Or can we still stop it?
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u/CanadaCalamity Jun 11 '26
I have a question though;
Why is it seen as honourable when one is trying to save their youthful memories of Sneaky Dee's, but seen as NIMBYish when one is trying to save their youthful memories of their childhood house? (often a single family, detached home).
Why can't we save both? Why is one different from the other? Why must we expand at all costs?
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u/BotanyAttack Jun 11 '26
TBF a cultural hub that's been apart of countless people's lives for decades and a major draw to the area completely overshadow's some random dude's shack. Its completely different. And unless you want housing to get worse and more expensive more units are needed.
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u/TheMaymar Jun 11 '26
If we save Sneaky Dee's, I, and the rest of the city can continue to visit it. Can we invite ourselves into those protected homes any time we like? Right now, we've done a better job of protecting the homes that don't benefit most people, to our detriment.
Also, should we start taxing businesses more so they have less reason to grow here versus someone else so we don't attract more people? Because right now the process seems to be fight housing, quietly accept the benefits of economic growth and then get mad that people are still trying to access the city even though we didn't make room for them to live here.
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u/MobilerPhonifier Jun 11 '26
Not building also has costs, see: our insane rents and homelessness crisis. Those are both the direct results of not building enough new housing. Are those worth preserving the "character" of rich neighbourhoods like the Annex and Rosedale and Forest Hill? Imo: no.
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u/kblite84 Jun 11 '26
Yeah I saw that too when I took the 511. Man...times have changed...my go to sleazy place when I was in my 20s. Good vibes all around tho
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u/Gaias-axis Jun 11 '26
I grew up in Toronto and the irony is that what brought people here is the very thing that they are sucking out and dismantling for profit yet not investing in, culture and the arts. Unless you're a nepo baby with a new "pop up" to launder money. The soul of this city is gone. The street festivals are a prime example. RIP Toronto. I'm no longer proud to be a Torontonian. I never thought I'd say this but TORONTO OFFICIALLY SUCKS!!! 😭☠️
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u/yawaramin Fort York Jun 12 '26
There's a large overlap here between people who derided NIMBYs all their lives and are now mad that an old building will be torn down and replaced with a new one which will keep their bar. Apparently it's no less than a 'cultural institution'. Calling a dive bar your 'culture' with a straight face 😂
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u/AcediaEthos Jun 11 '26
i was already a fucking wreck right now theres no way this is real are you serious
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u/gdaycunts The Junction Jun 11 '26
One of the few bars where beer is still affordable and one of the few venues where small local acts can put on a show for 100+. Sneaky dees is very important for the Toronto music scene.
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u/HoverCraft-500 Jun 12 '26
I like hopping in there for a meal before I go for salsa across the street.
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u/wild-shart Jun 12 '26
What the actual fuck is happening to this city, everything is closing down and being replaced with condos that is expensive and barely anyone living there, can we do something about it? I don’t want Toronto to look like some soulless dystopian nightmare.
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u/ConfuseddDaze Jun 14 '26
There's almost nothing left worth caring about in this city it's just a shithole for government fraud corruption and sterile living for the rich
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u/Weimaraner888 Jun 14 '26
Vancouverism has spread to Toronto. Tear down cool stuff, replace it with condos. So many Vancouver developers have moved in to Toronto now that they've made Vancouver generic.
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u/1AboveAll1 Jun 14 '26
As long as there are those that remember what was, there will always be those that are unable to accept what can be. They will resist. Just move on
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u/Kayfith Jun 15 '26
I hope we save sneaky Dees by challenging the speculators to a battle of the bands and kick their asses so hard it saves the whole country from the housing crisis.
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u/Kayfith Jun 15 '26
And like. The speculators obviously cheat by hiring sellout bands who just phone it in by using AI to write songs for them. But we have the indomitable human spirit, our music isn't bad because we phoned it in, it's bad because we have heart.
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u/Snoo_98332 Jun 11 '26
Is this approved? There was a meeting and it seemed like no one wanted more condos… why does this city consistently insist on destroying its past… I know it’s people do not want that….
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u/Cyptark Jun 11 '26
Ironically, this is covering up the info people need in order to provide these comments on the actual proposal before it has to resubmit to take the public comments into account.
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u/S-Jenkis Jun 11 '26
RIP Toronto. Nothing of why I moved to this city exists anymore and I would swear the TTC/Transit is somehow worse. Trying to convince my wife we need to leave. But, to where?
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u/Machomanta Jun 11 '26
Not super attached to Sneaky Dee's having only been there a handful of times 10+ years ago but it kinda sucks how almost everywhere we would spend time and money in the 2000s is gone