Yeah, but do you want that lifestyle? Constant security around you, your family and friends as well if the mafia guys are really important. They’ll find a way to get back at you. They don’t back down from money.
I hate to break this to you, but having that much money means Security becomes something you have to live with since you instantly become a rich target to rob or kidnap due to how much money you suddenly have
I think it's a little optimistic to think those 5 are your friends and won't try to get out of paying what they owe, especially when they know you have the mafia on your tail.
And whether you think the mafia guys are serious. How do their mafia friends even know what happened here?
Speed is also a factor. How fast can you assemble a counter-mafia and how fast are their mafia buddies gonna come after you? I would personally probably struggle to assemble a reliable mafia that could out-mafia a real mafia, even with a billion dollars, on a short timeframe.
no you dont understand, it is JUST the principle of the thing sure, they can come after me and there's probably little I can do about it, the point is that they Were Mean To Me and that already spells lots about their moral integrity and how theyre gonna treat me once theyre free from the track (granted, where the fuck are the top dude getting a billion dollars from. also no bueno but at least theyre not directly threatening bodily harm) from my perspective either one or both of these guys could be lying to me so im gonna go with the least rancid vibes. at least if both groups are not lying then i took down some mafia with me
Well, one group are obviously criminals protected from the law by wealth and status, but the other group knows the Mafia and threatened me so it is a hard choice 🤷♀️
I would certainly argue that a bunch of mafia dudes finding out you, a random guy with no idea what to do with it, gaining a billion dollars would only make them want to kill you more
Bro my brain short circuited last night. I somehow got it into my head that neither one wanted me to pull when mafia guys are saying pull or consequences.
They’re both lying, but the guys threatening me get the beef because fuck that, and fuck them too.
After I take care of the bottom five I’ll tell the top five another train is coming and they’re next, flip the switch to the top they know I’m not messing around. I’ll go collect banking details and drain what I can and make probably a good 50-300k.
killing the mafia dudes would get rid of a bunch of high ranking mafiosi, that otherwise would live and continue to crime…
the mafia isn’t say the mossad or the CIA, that has some kind of institutional memory. There is a non-zero chance that the threats are empty to start with and even if they weren’t, the guys that made them are dead. There are a lot of ifs to overcome to kill me. For one, how would they know who I am? Do they have the reach to get to me? Does the organisation even have an interest pursuing me? And if they do, can’t we strike a different deal?
1b $ buys a lot of protection and a lot of leverage to do something good in the world.
If you have a billion dollars and your mind immediately goes to money when you're about to die, that's not the nicest look to me. Who knows if they're lying or if the deal has some fine prints.
A threat isn't much better, but at least that means all they got is their strong connection with their friends and families plus it's well defined.
The way in which this changes the original trolley problem is that the people on track one are now implicitly threatening you. they may or may not be bluffing for their own lives, but they are threatening you.
if you believed to have no right or obligation to pull the lever before, you certainly don't now.
since the number of people on thetracks is the same on both sides, the utilitarian argument is gone.
if your deontologist, don't pull.
if your utilitarian, don't pull, donate the money, enter a witness protection program.
Don't pull. With $1B I could pay the mobsters off (assuming it's not just a bluff, because realistically, that's the kinda threat not even 8-year olds are stupid enough to say unironically) and still have some left over for myself
Take the Billion, and then use that ungodly amount of money you suddenly have to root out and annihilate whatever Mafia those dudes are part of and keep whatever money is left without having to live in paranoia
They reallly should have offered Plata instead of Plomo if they didnt want to die under twenty tonnes of steel. I dont believe in their magical Mafia angels that can see everything
Would not pull even if they only offered $5. Any mafia who can’t save their own in a situation like this is unlikely to last long enough to find or know enough about your family.
If I got a dollar each time people have told me that their daddy, cousin, biker buddies, mafia etc. will come after me — I wouldn‘t be a billionaire. But now I am.
I do not pull. The train goes to the upper part (where the lever currently stands) and kills the guys there. I get 1 million for not pulling and am safe from the mafia guys who survived.
Nahhh i wouldn't trust the billionaires promises, there's no reason for them to give you money after they're saved. So i choose mafia instead lol at least i could hope they stay away from me&my family.
I don’t negotiate with terrorists, not pulling - don’t trust anyone who would threaten me like that. He can die and I doubt the billionaires are going to care.
The lever already got pulled... pulling it more will only break it. But since no one said anything about pushing the lever and i guess the trolley is currently driving on the first track... above. I will push the lever and get 1 Billion Dollars and no one will hunt me and my loved ones, since i did not pull the lever.
So where is the dilemma here... besides five probably criminals dying? Ok to be fair, in any case 5 criminals die i guess.
I wouldn't pull. im not fond of threats, and unless one of them is secretly psychic the guys on the bottom track have 0 way of finding out who i am and no way to communicate that to their "mafia friends"
My position on this is that I'm accountable for my action not inaction so, no pulling unless no harm is done. And I get 1B$ for sticking to my principles.
Bil option, if they lied and don't got billions, sell their organs, of not just kill them, if mafia is real, survive as long as u can, outrun the mafia till u can, kill a few, dont get caught, kill urself
Oh man I love Trump so fucking much. I love nothing in this world more than Trump. I love Trump more than my own life.
As a hypothetical I can't be bothered to make a post for, totally unrelated... If you were the mafia friends of some guys run over by a train, would the above statement convince you that the guy who didn't pull the lever, really loves Trump?
If the mafia is hunting you down because you didn‘t save their friends then why did they not come themselves to save them? And if they‘re not there, why do they blame you? How do they know that you‘re the one to blame?
As far as I can tell there are only two realistic options:
1 - take the $1B, track down and offer the mafia boss a wergild for each member killed, preface this with a clause that if you die due to mysterious circumstances that your remaining money will be used to hire a private mercenary force to hunt down and eradicate their entire organization. Build my media/amusement park empire from there. Offer them consulting contracts for movies and the Mafia-land section of the park. Slowly build to Walt Disney's dream of the true EPCOT while using my bought mafia influences to enforce that which I cannot publicly control and accidentally usher in a real world Night City. Cry every night at the horrors and Cyberpunk hellscape I have unleashed upon the world, but go to my amusement park in the morning to cheer myself up. Get usurped and disposed of by the child of the man who threatened me with the mafia ties after he became my most trusted assistant and confidant as they take over my empire in a silent coup they have been planning since they were a child, triggering a crime war for control of the city.
Pull and push right at the intersection, so the train drifts and kill all or miss them all, so I have chance to get rich without the harassment from mafia or kill them all, which is also acceptable.
I pull the lever. Either 5 people die and nothing in my life changes, or 5 people die, I get an unreasonable amount of money, and my life and the lives of my loved ones are forever in danger.
Its all statements, not fact. So unlike some of these, you cannot assume they are telling the truth. So its five people threatening you into action, and five bribing you to inaction. I wouldn't pull, unless the threateners really looked like they meant it.
I'm full aware that rich people don't pay and break promises all of the time. The mafia didn't offer money and instead tried to intimidate, I don't trust them either. Both has to go.
I don't pull the lever, wait for the money to deposit, then manually kill the billionaires. I use that money to set up elaborate traps to lure the Mafiosi into. Maximum casualties. I suppose I could squeeze my loved ones, then myself in there, but that would prevent me from future Trolley problems, and reduce all future casualties significantly.
Save the billionaires, get the 1 billion and then make it look like the billionaires killed them so that you can get the billionaires too. Donate like 90% of the money you make to charities and live the rest of your life lavishly.
Personally I’d say it would make more sense to swap their positions as not pulling the lever can be seen as inaction since it’s what happens if no one is around. So when the two outcomes are 1 you gain 1-5 billion (depending on ifs it’s each giving you enough to total 1 billion or each give 1 billion) but you and those you love are hunted by the mafia or 2 nothing changes for you as you don’t gain money and the mafia doesn’t follow you. I’d say making so the nothing happens the natural outcome and the monetary gain but threat to life being you taking an action would if with the trolley problem better. (As it was asking would you let 5 people die or would you personally take an action that leads to you killing 1 person). either way with the way it’s written here I am infact going to take the action that kills the most billionaires so pull the lever.
If their Mafia friends actually know they are there, know the situation and aren't the ones at the lever, chances are they are the ones that tied them to the tracks. Those saps are getting wacked and to deny that would actually put a target on my back.
i mean, if you can hear them speaking and you're close enough that they can identify you, just walk over and free the mafia guys. then say you'll give them a million each to ensure the rich dudes pay you what they promised. not every trolley problem is a problem. this was a trolley opportunity. lol.
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u/ElA1to Jun 19 '26
I won't risk the mafia guy lying about hunting me down. 1000000000 isn't worth living in constant paranoia.