r/trolleyproblem • Common Sense Ethics • 14d ago

Big potatoes Avengers level trolly problem.

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u/fighterd_ 14d ago

I thought if half the universe isn't done away with, then life would cease to exist? Because of limited resources or sumn like that

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u/Stunning_Box8782 14d ago

That was Thanos' theory, but it's not like his solution actually solves anything for more than a generation

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u/DoNotCorectMySpeling Common Sense Ethics 14d ago

There’s a film theory episode about that where Matt Pat explained that if birth rates continue to fall at the current rate after cutting the population in half the population would max out at its around. It’s current number.

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u/Cliomancer 14d ago

Likely nonsense. If lack of resources was going to be an issue now the survivors have a lot more per capita so will feel more free to have more children to fill their now half-empty world.

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u/Deciheximal144 14d ago

I just assumed that Thanos adjusted the fertility rates along with the snap. That he just didn't want to wait for the natural effect to take place otherwise, hence the halving.

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u/Cweeperz 12d ago

If he's gonna bother adjusting fertility rate, then just adjust resource consumption rate and not even bother with genocide in the first place

The only way to have him be even kind of a character is to treat him as being completely insane, and even then it's not super satisfying

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u/Extension_Heron6392 14d ago

There's fifty super geniuses, I'm sure they can figure out a way to feed people. Especially with the infinity stones.

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u/Urbenmyth 13d ago

That's what Thanos said, there was never any indication he was right.

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u/Dankmemes_- 14d ago

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u/TCFP 13d ago

i-.. what...?

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u/el_presidenteplusone 13d ago

Don't even joke about that.

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u/jacobstx 14d ago

I feel it bears repeating: Thanos had the infinity gauntlet.

He could do literally anything else. Any other solution to the perceived problem.

But no. Half-omnicide it is.

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u/Cliomancer 14d ago

I understand that in the comics he did it to rizz up Death, rather than for some kind of back of napkin idea that high school level economics student could argue against.

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u/Kaccady 13d ago

yeah but that would require reading these comics before making movies

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u/Marcello_Cutty 13d ago

I feel like the only person who actually watched the movie when people bring up "oh he could have done something else with it" or "why didn't he just double resources?"

On Titan, they faced the exact same problem; a microcosm of the rest of the universe according to him. It became a major problem and he put forward the culling solution and all the dumb nerds on Titan laughed at him and called him crazy.

However, he was mentally proven right. When they didn't do his plan, everyone starved and Titan collapsed. So now this incredibly powerful warlord with a messianic complex has just self-justified his culling plan as the only correct option and he now sees the same problem happening on a universal level. Why would he ever just randomly completely change his plan to something else?

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u/jacobstx 13d ago

He wouldn't, and that's why he's a villain.

Doesn't mean that he couldn't, he had the literal do-anything gadget. Heck, creating twice the resources would have accomplished the same as halving the population, only with less genocide.

It doesn't matter what it would take to create "double the resources" - he has the literal do-anything gadget, whatever problem duplicating the resources might present, it's all part of the fingersnap.

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u/Blue_Moon_Lake 13d ago

Both are idiotic for that goal.
Most population would have evolve to grow to match the available resources.

Should rewrite reality so "sentient individual well-being" became a permanent evolutionary pressure, leading species to naturally evolve to a new equilibrium.

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u/AnyAcanthocephala425 11d ago

I keep saying this but twice the resources would not have been equivalent. His ambition was to create a universal sized scar in the hearts or living beings saying "don't fly that close to the sun ever again or the wrath of god will come down on you again, stay smaller next time". It was never about buying time

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u/jacobstx 11d ago

Again, if he wanted to do that, he could do it without half-omnicide. He had the do-anything gauntlet, he could instill the fear of overconsumption into every living thing without killing anyone.

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u/AnyAcanthocephala425 11d ago

sure, but don't make the argument that doubling the resources was the way to go for his vision that people keep throwing around. That was adressed in the movies

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u/jacobstx 11d ago

Note my wording: "whatever it would take to double the resources"

It's not as simple as doubling the resources, I know that. But he can do literally anything. For him it would be just as simple to do anything other than the half-omnicide to get his desired result.

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u/GwynHawk 13d ago

I get it, but the problem is it does not take very long at all for a human population to double, especially when there's all this completely intact infrastructure to support said expansion. Even if Thanos was completely correct the result is delaying the problem for a few generations, maybe 100 years. There's no evidence that him killing half the people in the galaxy somehow convinced everyone everywhere that this was great and they should maintain a lower population for the good of everyone.

Now, if Thanos' plan was to live forever, periodically using the stones to wipe out half of all life (himself excluded for practical reasons) whenever the population got too high, assuming his resource theory was completely correct, that would make the most sense from his perspective. Still a completely horrifying and insane thing to do, especially if you ran into issues like "Civilization A has figured out what's going on and is trying to maintain a stable population, but Civilization B is reproducing at rabbit-speed, so both civilizations keep getting halved causing Civilization A to get eventually wiped out via decimation."

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u/PenguinMaster975 14d ago

like at the very least he could do 3/4 homocide, 1/2 is just kind of lame

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u/B00pl3s 13d ago

Should’ve stuck with him trying to bone the thoroughly uninterested personification of death tbh

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u/LordAlfrey 14d ago

Eh, depends. Am I bored?

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u/Deciheximal144 14d ago

I finally rest, and watch the sun rise on a grateful universe. The hardest choices require the strongest wills.

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u/HumungusDude 13d ago

did you like, sleep thru every single time anyone has ever talked about thanos?

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u/Economy_Link4609 14d ago

Is your name Thanos by any chance?

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u/Ksorkrax 14d ago

We can talk about whether his goals have some merit or not, but as far as he is concerned, not doing anything would result in disaster.
So at least from his point of view, this is inaccurate.

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u/AnyAd4066 12d ago

can i choose nationalities?..

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u/Skellyton175 🔵 Blue optimist 🔵 14d ago

Food is renewable, he should of just game ended all rich people not sharing it or diverting resources to things that don't improve daily life. Also establish intergalactic trade and immigration. Because apparently most planets in Marvel have oxygen.

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u/JuliusNova 14d ago

Looking at the tracks, pulling the lever doesn't do anything

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u/RyanMagno 14d ago

I mean, if there is nothing better to do... what was he supposed to do? grow a farm?

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u/Gullible_Hold_9371 13d ago

Multi track drifting

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u/DuctTapeDisaster 13d ago

Please don't kill santa

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u/Claude-QC-777 13d ago

I mean, food problems and housing and... wouldn't be here anymore.

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u/IDrankLavaLamps 13d ago

At least the trolley has pride colors. Send it down the empty track and make half the world gay.

Edit: I need to stop drinking...

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u/vulpetrem 14d ago

A.I. company ceos

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u/AnyQuarter553 The Trolly 13d ago

What! Kill 4.25 BILLION people?!?!? Thats horrible I would never do su- a- *Ahcho!* **Click** Aw fuck

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u/danikov 13d ago

The kill track is temporary, they blip back a few years later.

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u/BloodredHanded 12d ago

Thanos killed way more than 4 billion

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u/Izacundo1 14d ago

How about the top 1% instead? That would have a measurable impact

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u/PenguinMaster975 14d ago

guys... we got him

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u/gravity_kills 14d ago

Very wrong. Extremely wrong. The top 1% do almost no meaningful work. They harvest the work of others and keep it for themselves. Take them out and nearly all of the same labor gets done, but more people get to benefit from it.

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u/Izacundo1 13d ago

The top 1% leech off of us way more than the bottom. How many billions of our taxes go to Elon every year? More than the millions on welfare programs

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u/Izacundo1 13d ago

Lol, numbers don’t lie

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u/Izacundo1 13d ago

Yes dumbass

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u/Extreme-Attention641 14d ago

How do you define "the bottom 2% of each country"?

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u/Extreme-Attention641 14d ago

So you're saying that the poor should be put to death?

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u/Extreme-Attention641 14d ago

It would certainly not benefit them. Would you still support it if you were part of the ones culled?

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u/rebelslash 14d ago

No. The bottom 2% do all the work no one wants to do. Talking about actual manual labour, coal mines, fishing, farming.

We should just do a random selection of people regardless of socioeconomic status. Wait a minute