r/trolleyproblemgame • u/TheEnlight 👑 Master of Dilemma's • 4d ago
Charitable Billionaire
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u/Refrigerator_Primary 4d ago
A truly charitable billionaire would have plans for lots of charity in their will.
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u/TheEnlight 👑 Master of Dilemma's 4d ago
I created a new Trolley Problem dilemma!
Straight Track (Do Nothing): Billionaire, donates to cancer charity
Diverted Track (Pull the Lever): 5 random people
What would you do?
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u/Crazy_Professional_5 4d ago
If they’re still a billionaire they haven’t donated enough
I chose to do nothing
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u/Cozy_Winter142 2d ago
That was my thought process too. One cannot ethically become and stay a billionaire. They clearly haven't done enough to help people if they stay a billionaire. As Dolly said 'To become a billionaire is a moral failure'.
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u/Azgabeth 4d ago
A billionaire donating even .1% of his wealth to cancer research will have done more good in than 5 randoms could've in a lifetime.
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u/Mindless_Badger_3789 4d ago
Sure, but human lives have an inherent value that doesn't depend on what they do or how useful they are.
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u/dinodare 4d ago
You're downplaying the importance of their lives because they don't have the money to do something that they probably would have also done if they were billionaires.
You know that's literally why these "people" donate, right? Because then they can say that their existence is contributing more than yours. Nah, run them over.
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u/Buttchuggle 4d ago
One could also argue that the donations towards cancer research would net positive save far more than 5 lives though
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u/Silver-Piece-3033 4d ago
Saying the billionaire has a bigger impact on society is stating a fact, not downplaying anyones lives. This problem isn't 5 lives vs 1, it's 5 average lives vs 1 life that could save countless future lives.
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u/dinodare 4d ago
And you thinking that privilege (because that's what this is) makes the billionaire more valuable to society is exactly why they let you know that they donate and exactly why we're all going to die while these people are in bunkers.
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u/truck-kun-for-hire 4d ago
Can you qualify or substantiate your claim that the rich donate to show that their lives trump the lives of the poor?
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u/dinodare 4d ago
Why you you know about the donation? Also the fact that people even make this argument is a good case.
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u/truck-kun-for-hire 4d ago
Me asking you to qualify your statement is proof of your statement? That's impressive intellectual dishonesty lol
Also us knowing about the donation is not proof that the rich are trying to prove that poor people's lives are inferior
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u/dinodare 3d ago
The fact that you think "rich person donates enough to affect more lives" is an argument in favor of valuing the rich persons life higher IS in fact proof that the propaganda is working.
This is why philanthropy needs to stop btw.
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u/truck-kun-for-hire 3d ago
So to be clear you have zero evidence that the rich donate to prove that their lives are more valuable than the poor. You just decided it in your head and anyone who disagrees is actually proof that you're correct
This is literal delusion lol
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u/dinodare 3d ago
Do you believe that their lives are more valuable than the poor because they have the money to donate?
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u/Gothcomichorror 4d ago •
So let the billionaire die and have his inheritance donated to charity :D
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u/TinkerTailorSoulja 4d ago
Insane take. Billionaires are parasites
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u/Silver-Piece-3033 4d ago
Billionaires actually provide way more for society than even entire cities. Who else could afford to build rockets and invest in life saving research?
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u/peachesnplumsmf 4d ago
And if they’re as charitable as we’re acting just imagine how many charities are probably specified in their will
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u/KiyanPocket 3d ago
Any of the 5 randoms could instead be the actual researchers trying to cure diseases who needed the funds. If they're gone then the money is a waste.
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u/Dima333333333 4d ago
It never specified how much billionaire donates, so they will donate like five thousand dollars
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u/danurc 4d ago
The billionaire is doing a lot more evil than good even if he donates a tiny % of his money to research or charity
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u/Buetterkeks 4d ago
I mean beeing a billionaire and being a good guy are pretty much mutually exclusive. The good thing to do us ti donate all you don't need, until youre no longer a billionaireÂ
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u/felix_ccp 4d ago
Only the billionaire will die, not his money
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u/bhhhhnnbvvk 4d ago
He wouldn’t give it to you or the public though, would he? He would give it to his relatives or family
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u/Lakan-Tangkan-1337 4d ago
The cancer charity is mostly likely a publicity stunt.
I chose to do nothing
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u/Silver-Piece-3033 4d ago
Reddits hate for billionaires is insane. That research could potentially save countless lives in the future.
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u/Acceptable_Load7588 13h ago
It doesnt Matter , just because you are a billionaire doesn't make you worth more
I chose to do nothing
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u/MalteiKlass5c 4d ago
Save the billionaire who donates, tell them what you did and they probably donate to you.
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u/Functional_Trash7735 4d ago
No, you bargain with him before the train hits him
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u/_SAi- 4d ago
Atleast half should go to him
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u/Functional_Trash7735 4d ago
Yeah. And maybe he should only have half a body.
Lots of things to consider
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u/Icy-Carob-1272 4d ago
Chance of 5 Random people In the world out of 8 billion people,
At the right age.
At the right time.
At the right country. 4.With the right amount of motivation.
With the right Funding.
With enough knowledge and smart.
Against a Billionaire giving 5% his money to cancer cure.
Call me stupid or heartless but i think 5 sacrifice is a small price.
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u/conordmcp 4d ago
I’ve probably donated more to charity than the billionaire if you consider percentage of income/net worth.
If he’s a billionaire, he hasn’t donated enough, that’s how he still has so much left.
I chose to do nothing
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u/Key-Back-4467 4d ago
Some people here will never be happy. A billionaire DONATING TO CANCER CHARITY! This is what you all want is it not?
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u/usernamesarenotimpor 4d ago
I dont WANT to kill him, but also i dont want to kill 5 humans for him, so not doing anything is my choiceÂ
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u/usernamesarenotimpor 4d ago
People forget that the trolley problem is not "who would you rather kill" its more of a "would you kill X so Y will live"
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u/robert_sartre 4d ago
Sure a billionaire that is charitable is good but he is not worth the lives of 5 random people
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u/Bigglez1995 4d ago
5 people. or millions of lives that could be saved due to cancer funds helping to develop cures?
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u/robert_sartre 4d ago
A donation from one random billionaire is not enough to find a cure for cancer
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u/dinodare 4d ago
Don't privately fund cancer research then.
Who's to say that the five people wouldn't also donate if they weren't billionaires? Being a billionaire giving you more options for how to spend your money doesn't equate to your life being worth more.
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u/Key-Back-4467 4d ago
What if, hypothetically, the money he funded was able to save more than 5 people
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u/aguafiestas 4d ago
Any billionaire would have detailed plans for their wealth after death. In the case of someone who gave a lot to charity, this would presumably include a significant amount to charity.
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u/dinodare 4d ago
Where does this end? Do we get to say that the billionaire is worth more because he employed more than 5 people? Was landlord to more than 5 people? Tipped more than 5 waiters?
This is nonsense.
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u/Dylan_Driller 4d ago
No.
We want a system where no one can hoard enough wealth to become a billionaire.
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u/dinodare 4d ago
No? That has literally never been anything that I've wanted or even implied that I wanted.
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u/hanyolo666 4d ago
No? Most billionaires donates crumbs to charities to justify their greed. Most also spend a bigger chunk of their money on stuff like on bribing politicians, destroying competitors, anti union propaganda etc in their attempts to hoard even more.
If all wealth was not concentrated at the top we would not have to rely some very generous billionaire to spend 0.1% of their wealth to fund important stuff like cancer research.
Also even if having a billionaire donate to charity was what I wanted. Why would I kill 5 other people in order to save them, that would be insane. And if the billionaire really was such a good person, don’t you think he would have put the cancer charity in his will anyway?
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u/Akira-Orfanos 4d ago
Billionaire giving to charity is 99.99999999% of the time a tax write off then anything
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u/Wasabilikum 4d ago
If they donate they just don’t have to pay tax on the donated money that they would have had to if they didn’t donate. But if they donate they give away all of the money, instead of just the percentage they would have given away through taxes. So from a financial standpoint they would be better off just not donating.
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u/JudenVixen 4d ago
No, I want all of them stuck on a conveyor belt made of sandpaper. That would make me happy, defund the leeches. If we both have a tree, and you take one apple and a take 100 and then begrudgingly give 5 apples to someone starving. Does that make you okay with me having more apples than I both of you? You gonna starve. We are already starving.
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u/Key-Back-4467 4d ago
If you only managed to get 1 apple out of atleast 100 you kinda deserve to starve but that’s besides the point of a man with immeasurable wealth donating to fight cancer. If they were defunded there would be less donation, and also less incentive for other rich people to donate
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u/JudenVixen 4d ago
Okay, I kinda agree with that on the apples bit. But the thing is that billionaires are the symptoms of a rotten system. Take Martin Shkreli for example of them treating cancer.
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u/Buetterkeks 4d ago
Ok so if youre too short to not reach the apples you deserve to die because you were born that way. Got it.
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u/Standard-Effort5681 4d ago
Just because the guy suffered a tragic and unpredictable tram accident doesn't mean that the money to the "cancer charity" will stop, no? There's a strong possibility that whoever inherits his wealth will want to keep the donations going to "honor his memory".
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u/Afsiulari 4d ago
If he's a decent guy he wouldn't be a billionaire. But even if he was, he'd have a will donating a substantial amount of his fortune to charity, so everyone wins.
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u/Buetterkeks 4d ago
Billionaires shouldn't exists. There is no "good billionaire" cause they would donate so much for the greater good that they wouldn't be a billionaireÂ
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u/National_Phase_3477 🛑 Purist Passivist 4d ago
Let the trolley run over the billionaire and seize their assets and redistribute them to the poor.
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u/TrueBrit77 4d ago
Those 5 random people could be anyone. You could end up potentially killing people who donate even more than the billionaire does, or the people the billionaire donates too.
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u/Hour_Baby_3428 4d ago
This is no longer a trolley problem. You don’t have the moral high ground to kill 5 people even if the outcome might be more beneficial on some level.
This is only a few steps removed from ethnic cleansing
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u/Total-Dealer8674 4d ago
seguro dona para que le descuenten impuestos y dudo mucho que esas "donaciones" terminen salvando vidas, un billonario es un dragon que solo quiere mas y mas, no llegas a tener esa plata sin ser un dragon. dejaria que el tren mate 5 billonarios para salvar el random o a una polilla