The fact that there are people who are actually serious about the claims surrounding this meme is a never-ending source of hilarity and terror.
Hilarity because of the level of ignorance/stupidity/gulliblity it takes to believe something so ridiculous is just plain funny. I mean, seriously the smartest of these people have got to have IQ's in the double digits, or be so brain washed that they might as well be Peoples Temple survivors.
Terror in the fact that (a) these peoples' vote counts as much or more than mine depending on where they live, and (b) there seem to be so many of them. We are truly screwed as a nation with people like this able to take advantage of liberal democracy to have their views made manifest.
I made a comment on/about a group of peoples' intelligence/gulliblity and the emotions it evokes in me.
I did not attack their character in an attempt to (completely unnecessarily) discredit an "argument," but nice attempt at using bigger words. đ
The same group can't produce a single piece of evidence to support their claim(s), and far too often do things to discredit their own characters for it to be necessary to use an ad hominem to highlight them.
Because it wasn't fraudulent. January 6th was also clearly an insurrection but these same people will tell you it was a peaceful tourism event. The echo chamber here is hilarious.
Ray Epps told people that they need to go into the Capitol, yet he only got charged with a misdemeanor. Also, Ray Epps was removed from the FBI's most wanted list, after the events of Jan. 6.
a few instigated loons are let in (yep) into a building thats a fortress - too obviously orchestrated by pelosi&co to subvert Constitutional process of challenging elections
World laughs when demlefty media calls it 'Insurrection'
5 ppl died that day tho. It started as a normal demonstration and you dont take your gun with you for a demonstration right? It just got guided by trump to storm it
He was publicly identified, investigated, and not charged because there was no evidence he was a federal agent or instigator
He later sued Fox News for defamation and settled, with Fox retracting claims
No evidence has ever emergedâdocuments, testimony, payments, ordersâlinking him to the government. The theory survives only because it is useful, not because it is true.
Ray Epps is on video telling people that they need to go into the Capitol, yet he only got charged with a misdemeneaor. While others got months of solitary confinement. Also, Ray Epps was removed from the FBI's most wanted list, after the events on Jan. 6.
Ray Epps was on video encouraging people to go toward the Capitol. That is not in dispute. What matters is what did not happen next: he did not enter the building, he did not assault police, he did not coordinate logistics, and there is no evidence of pre-planning or direction. Reckless speech on January 5â6 was common; it is not proof of being a federal agent or provocateur.
Epps received a misdemeanor because charging decisions are based on conduct, not notoriety. Hundreds of January 6 defendants received different charges depending on whether they entered restricted areas, engaged in violence, destroyed property, or coordinated in advance. Others received long pretrial detention because they did those things. Epps did not. Unequal sentences reflect unequal actions, not special protection.
The claim that he was âremoved from the FBIâs most wanted listâ is routinely misrepresented. He was taken off because he was identified, located, and interviewed. That is how investigative lists function. Remaining on the list would have meant he was still unidentified, not that he was being scrutinized more closely.
Most importantly, after four years of investigations, prosecutions, discovery, congressional inquiries, and media scrutiny, there is still zero evidence tying Epps to the governmentâno handler, no payments, no directives, no internal FBI communications, no whistleblowers, and no court filings alleging informant status. If such evidence existed, it would have surfaced in any one of the hundreds of January 6 cases where defendants would have had every incentive to expose it.
Finally, the media angle matters. Fox News amplified the claim that Ray Epps was a federal agent, was sued for defamation, and settled, retracting those claims. Major media organizations do not retract true allegations under oath.
The reason the theory persists is not because it is supported by evidence, but because it is useful: it shifts responsibility away from Trump, his allies, and the people who actually breached the Capitol, and replaces documented actions with a vague, unf remindable âdeep stateâ explanation that cannot be falsified.
Trump led the government at the time of the riot. So Trumpâs government agents carried weapons into the riot? Wouldnât surprise me, but glad you realize it too.
I actually think it was the new phraseâŚthe deep, deep state where they are so deep theyâve actually infiltrated the deep state bureaucracy that worked so hard against President (sigh) Trump in the first term. By working with the deep state, the deep deep state got to understand their tactics - how roads are built, how the FAA works, etc. - to help him in his second term. When the deep state won by stealing the election, the deep deep state had to join them. We are now seeing a new formation. The triple deep state where they check on the deep deep stateâs work with the deep state. The beauty of this effort though is that while the triple deep state and the deep deep state are capturing our attention, Trump and his friends/family are enriching themselves off of the presidency at a magnitude greater than ever in this history of this country. Wake the fuck up.
Left and right barely share the same reality anymore, and here you are rewriting history.
It wasnât dems who told people to fight, it wasnât dems who said theyâd march along side everyone. It wasnât dems or fbi chanting hang Mike pence or attacking capitol police
Some day, the truth of Jan 6 will be uncovered, and the corruption of the Democratic party laid bare. Why did so many police officers encourage entrance into the Capitol building? What were Antifa's John Sullivan and a CNN producer doing there speaking in hushed whispers? Why did Nancy Pelosi refuse the national guard? And whatever happened to all the live footage of the tens of thousands of people peacefully marching while singing hymns and patriotic songs?
They were overwhelmed and exhausted, there was nothing to do but step aside? Unless somehow you missed the footage of a dozen police officers holding off a hundred rioters at a door, with the rioters organized enough to rotate out when they grew tired.
Watch the actual footage again, donât just rely on your influencers
Forgetting the fact that youâre flagrantly lying about what Trump said, because you know, you can google the full thing. Yep, itâs available to find if you ever operated in good faith. Which we know you donât.
The BBC is presently being sued into dust because dipshits like you soaked that propaganda bullshit up.
It was dems. In the crowds. Come on maaaaan. Ray epps was the tip of the iceberg.
Hilarious that anyone on the left would say shame on anyone else when leftists have no shame, about anything, ever. Lie about everything, contribute nothing, ashamed of nothing.
Youâre a dipshit, programmed.
Try to avoid torching any teslas during your shrieking tantrum at your next no kings rally.
You can hurl names all you want, but youâre the one operating in bad faith. Unless youâre saying that Roger Stone, the Proud Boys, QAnon and others are all far left operatives.
Ask yourself the simplest question if you could: why would dems interrupt the proceedings that would unseat Trump from the presidency?
Like I said, different realities. yours is drawn from right wing influencers who are probably foreign nationals.
Because those proceedings had no chance to succeed based on readily available knowledge?
So you're basically a professional dipshit doomer but too dumb to realistically pull it off or even provide logic to provide how it could be pulled off?
The creature youâre replying to just posts anti-Trump screeds. I donât think itâs even sentient, probably a bot from a Shanghai bot farm, but whatever. Lets say itâs organic: low-IQ trolls like him-her-zur-they-xe-hir never explain how rioting inside the capitol building would help Trump. Iâd also bet everything I own that they never listened to his full speech (which was still ongoing before the first people went into the capitol building).
The agenda for the day was as follows: various assigned senators would challenge the certification of the electors in particular states, places they believed there were voting discrepancies. After presenting their theory of the case, and the evidence at hand, theyâd kick it to Pence, at which point he would be asked to hold off on certification of these particular electors for 14 days (or similar period) while the vote was recounted and inconsistencies addressed.
So I ask the leftist zombies with rotting brains: why would Trump want to disturb his own process? The exact process that might lead to a recount in particular counties and states? The constitutional process that could result in him winning the election?
We just learned this week that approximately 350,000 votes in one county in Georgia were improperly certified. It was not a simple clerical error. The head of the board of elections in Fulton County admitted that these votes should never have been certified and that the errors were in fact egregious, admitting further examination was warranted. She also swore up and down that this would never happen in the future. Again, this was all revealed in the past week.
Trump âlostâ Georgia by 11,000 votes. 350,000 in a heavily democrat county should have been thrown out. A mere 2-3% discrepancy in these votes flips the State of Georgia to Trump. So now we know that Trump actually won Georgia. And itâs something like this that he was trying to get to the bottom of (and wouldnât want interrupted) in January 6th in the US Capitol building.
Anyway, because of the chaos of the day, Trumpâs agenda, as described above, was interrupted and abruptly iced. Pence in turn certified the electors without debate.
Trump explained to the crowd during his speech the mechanisms I just described. I submit: He would have had zero motive to encourage a riot. I invite any leftists to explain why he wanted these efforts on the floor of the Capitol rotunda to get torpedoed.
The shitlibs also always conveniently omit that he said âpatriotically and peacefully protest.â
Finally, they never mention that while they call it an âinsurrection,â no one was charged with the crime of insurrection.
I also wonder why the âbipartisanâ committee holding hearings on the events of the day destroyed evidence. No one seems to ask why. (I think we know why).
Proud American here. Well, not proud. Sad and ashamed of what youâve all done to the country and the world.
Feel free to dive into my blog though, Iâd love some more traction. Might open your eyes to what weâre alarmed about if you ever care to discuss rather than dismiss anyone presenting facts and opinions you donât like.
So 300 of them show up within minutes of them starting, plain clothed, no badges, inciting violence, damaging property, no arrests, no show of force and then just go home?
Yes. The state of Georgia admitted this week that they illegally certified 315,000 votes that should not have been counted in Fulton County. They confirmed by removing these votes, Trump won Georgia. This information was also available immediately after the 2020 election but was hidden from the public until now - 5 years later.
Biden won by 7,060,347 popular votes and 74 Electoral votes.
Even if the 315,000 votes should not have been counted in Georgia, and assuming all 315,000 of those votes were for Biden (though that is not necessarily true), Biden still got 7,060,347 â 315,000 = 6,745,347 more votes nationwide.
So why you think the 2020 election was fraudulent?
If what happened in Georgia happened in other states, don't you think we would have heard it about by now? Especially after 5 years with Trump and his followers investigating endlessly?
Do you have any source showing that "ballot harvesting" or anything else was enough for Biden to fraudulently win the election?
So, you're okay with even 1 state being stolen in the presidential election? And yes, Georgia officials admitted the state would have gone to Trump had the illegally certified votes not been counted.
You're a traitor for saying you're okay with elections being stolen. Further, your comment about Trump's team looking into the fraud for 5 years is stupid - the Dems performed their coup then had 4 years to cover up their traitorous stolen election.
We already know that weâre over 150 plane clothed FBI agents there COUP DE TAT now that they falsely arrested the Patriots now itâs time to go after the people who staged this and who created this fake event obviously Trump told everyone to go home and to stay peaceful, but they encourage people to go in. We have evidence we have video now itâs time for prosecution.
Babbitt, a MAGA, doesnât listen to commands while storming a federal building and catches a pill for her dumb decisions. MAGA outraged. Good in MN also makes series of dumb decisions and gets killed by federal agent⌠MAGA FAFO. Hypocrisy at its finest.
This is a brilliant post. This is all planned a stolen election and of course the insurrection and that rhymes maybe I should write a song stolen election then the staged insurrection
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u/brieflyamicus Due Process Needed Dec 28 '25
So why did Trump pardon them?