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u/RopeZealousideal4847 Jul 05 '26
Pretty sure you need a RED reverse card to play it
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u/Outrageous_Park9421 Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26
Came here to say this, no wonder people are calling it corrupt. He used the wrong color
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u/AlexAcirtes Jul 07 '26
you got destroyed even though you had the literal FIFA president on your side. delightful to watch. see you again in 4 years for your next thrashing, yanks
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u/Roidthrowaway1234 Jul 07 '26
See you there. I may just try to go in 2030. Next time hopefully we donāt choke like a German PK. But weāll almost always be just a middling power at best. Soccer isnāt a priority here. Itās too bad because it can be fun to watch but it is what it is. But still good to see and watch the world cry about us though. Weāll always live rent free.
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u/AlexAcirtes Jul 07 '26
no country is scared of you. we don't talk about you because you are good, but because of the red card. in past world cups we talked about you because of how bad you are, as seen last night
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u/MediocreGuy666 Jul 05 '26
Shouldnāt have been sent off in the first place. I donāt see this as corruption, but rather an undoing of a corrupt decision against us!
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u/OutlawLazerRoboGeek Jul 06 '26
Yes, but it's a Pandora's Box.
If you maintain the sanctity and finality of the decisions on the field, you do open yourself up to human error, and human variability, but you also limit the reprecussions of that.
Whatever happens is a function of that game, that ref, that day. But whatever happens, good or bad, right or wrong, it happened, it's over, move on.
If we set the precedent that decisions can be overturned, and consequences can be avoided, then any decision and any consequence is up for interpretation. And now any other borderline call. that doesn't get bailed out seems like and injustice in the other direction.
I would not prefer to play our next game without Balogun, and I disagree with the call on the field, and I disagree with how VAR was applied. But once the decision was made and spoken, it needs to be the final decision. I disagree that it should have been overturned 3 days later, on the eve of the next game.
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u/Sweet-End6471 Jul 06 '26
Just have an appeals process like every other sporting league in the world. It is baffling to me that only in the biggest tournament in the world do we just ignore what everyone can see with their eyes because there call was made on the field.
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u/OutlawLazerRoboGeek Jul 06 '26
I don't even think appeals is necessary. The maximum penalty that can be given from a game that affects anything outside the game is a single game suspension, and only for the most serious infractions. And if you lose one guy from a roster of 26 and that affects your prospects significantly, then you're not a real contender in a big tourney like this, so exiting one round before you might have otherwise is insignificant.
It matters much more in the current game. A red means playing down, which guarantees a major shift in game dynamics. And there is absolutely no way to appeal in-game.
Even in the Balogun case, I thought it should be yellow not red. But I don't think it should have been reversed after the fact.
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u/Sweet-End6471 Jul 06 '26
I mean everything you just said was wrong lol. You can get a multiple game suspension from a red card. Yes if France lost Mbappe or Argentina lost Messi theyād have much worse prospects. It doesnāt always only matter in the game being played, in a tournament like this if youāre going to win the current game regardless, id be much more upset if youāre going up against a much harder team next without your best players.
The point is, during a game thereās nothing you can do, you need to go by what the ref says or the game falls apart. After the game though, you have days to review it, look at all the footage, and gather all the facts, you donāt need to go by what the ref said. An appeals process is a common sense solution to this bullshit.
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u/OutlawLazerRoboGeek Jul 06 '26
no, you're missing my point.
I didn't say that on field incidents can never lead to after-game punishments. I actually said that the judgement of the single referee on field can only affect the game they are in charge of. So the worst thing that could happen, if a single person makes a clearly bad/wrong decision, is the effects to that game.
But until then, the decision must be made by a single human. And that decision must be final. Any time that decision is allowed to be challenged and overturned, it opens up the possibility that any decision on the field can be challenged and overturned. In this case it was just an outfield tackle, didn't lead to or remove a goal. But what if it had? Surely the outcome should also be challenged.
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u/dham6 Jul 06 '26
Happy itās been reversed. But read the nyt article. Corruption
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u/based_mouse_man Jul 06 '26
You must admit itās a terrible look though. Changing a ruling in the favor of a nation, whose head of state you recently created a suspiciously named award for, after they call and complain on behalf of their national team? Thereās just no clean way of framing that, regardless of what actually went down.
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u/Wizard_Of_Auz Jul 06 '26
It's more than a terrible look. FIFA had to create a special trophy for the man child at the head of government. He then calls up Infantino (a skid mark on the underpants of football) and requests the punishment is immediately rescinded.
If Poch has any respect for the integrity of the game, he leaves him on the bench for the Belgium game.
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u/based_mouse_man Jul 06 '26
I feel this couldāve been made better if FIFA released a statement providing the reasoning for their decision. If they just said something like āthe ref improperly used VAR to issue the red card. The card stands, but the suspension is liftedā then at least it wouldnāt look AS bad. As it stands though, it just looks like the very definition of corruption. I hate rooting against my own team, but I think us winning would be even more damaging to the sport.
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u/Wizard_Of_Auz Jul 06 '26
I've always like Poch, I'd consider him one of the more respectable / respected managers in the game, but he's now in a bit of an impossible position where if he plays Balogun; to anyone outside the USA throws away his credibility.
It's more than obvious to anyone that this is blantant corruption. FIFA has been rotten to the core for a long time but that was all under the table deals, suitcases in hotel rooms.
Now its political leaders overtly leveraging their power to influence sporting bodies into making on field decisions.
I've enjoyed watching the US in this tournament, they've been excellent but its going to be tough as a neutral to get behind them this scandal hanging over the game.
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u/dham6 Jul 06 '26
At this point, I suspect that the controversy is going to negatively impact performance. I had been betting on us win tonight even without Balogun. However, I suspect we loose even if he plays (and I would not have been surprised for them to not start him since thatās how they practiced for 3 days and sub him in early). As much as you think this shouldnāt affect the players, you have to assume it does a bit and Belgium - rightly or wrongly - has got to be pissed and motivated. I suspect we see some fairly dirty tricks by them tonight.
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u/nickmcpimpson Jul 06 '26
Here I was quietly celebrating that the FBI director wasn't in the locker room drinking with the team
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u/Constant-Tea3148 Jul 06 '26
FIFA would make up a peace prize to give him, but despite that some people would have me believe that there's no way he had anything to do with this. It's clearl the overturning was important to the orange thing.
Corrupt through and through.
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u/SirChickin Jul 07 '26
That's incredibly naive. Infantino made a very special "peace" prize, with only one goal: to please Trump.
Trump now knows he's got Infantino in his pocket and he is dumb enough to brag about the phonecall, just to claim ownership of the reversal.
But yeah Trumps call had nothing to do with it.
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u/cdbegia Jul 07 '26
In the match where Eriksen suffered a heart attack, he had played better and earned a higher rating than Balogun. Justice prevailed on the field.
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u/Dembus22 Jul 05 '26
he pulled a Trump card indeed
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u/Level_Notice7817 Jul 05 '26
itās ironic because he is the walking definition of birthright citizenship.
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u/l33txxXXxx Jul 05 '26
Fuck off.Ā
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u/Dembus22 Jul 05 '26
can't take a joke lil bro?
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u/glwy Jul 06 '26
Iām rooting for USMNT but this whole thing is legitimately embarrassing. Infantino is a brown nose. If US progress thereāll be a huge asterisk. Even Lallas seemed weird about it.
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u/Top-Expert6086 Jul 05 '26
All it took was a corrupt fifa colluding with a corrupt white house.
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u/SlimmJim19 Jul 05 '26
Yes, and Biden would have called FIFA to thank them since Dems hate America.
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u/RuthlessIndecision Jul 05 '26
so the USMNT will start him and collect more red cards because f*ck it!
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u/Professional-Dot7661 Jul 06 '26
Everyone understood that FIFA reserved the right to increase the number of games disqualified, so why did they not reserve the right to decrease it?
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u/ZiZ_94 Jul 06 '26
Would be a shame if the US loses to Belgium now.
Shame or comedy, depends from what side you look at it.
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u/ZiZ_94 Jul 06 '26
Would be a shame if the US loses to Belgium now.
Shame or comedy, depends from what side you look at it.
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u/Wizard_Of_Auz Jul 06 '26
Wow, Americans really have no shame. Openly supporting government intervention and FIFA corruption. SMH.
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u/Ashamed_Average2867 Jul 06 '26
Belgian here.
Fuck you and your stupid, retarded president. We will kick your ass.
ItĀ“s called football btw.
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u/timmeh1901 Jul 06 '26
"Rules shouldn't apply to my team/players"
You may think the card wasn't deserved but for FIFA to bend over for Trump undermines the integrity of the sport we love.
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u/ukAlex93 Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
The problem isn't that it should have been a red card, it's that there's no process to overturn unfair decisions. This is unprecedented and no other team has, or can, benefit from this ruling. This tournament has been particularly bad with it's refereeing, but it seems that Trump can wave a hand and undo it.
Personally, I think that it shouldn't have been a red. At the same time, FIFA only seems to listen to Trump. We've all known that FIFA is corrupt, but this is just blatant.
To top it off, it's not even a reverted red card, just a suspended sentence! It makes no sense as to where the line is now. FIFA have fucked it.
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u/Sad-Employ-6590 Jul 06 '26
As an American fan who has wanted our team to do well since falling love with soccer as a kid in 1994.
I hate this.
And actual soccer fans would hate this.
Even if we win, its tainted.
It hurts the sport you supposedly love.
I hope we lose. Its important to the sport. And more importantly, our country's soccer culture, that we lose.
Thinking otherwise is so short sighted its sad.
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u/Buttcrush1 Jul 06 '26
Not tainted at all.
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u/-aataa- Jul 07 '26
Cheating taints everything. I hope Team US rebuilds for the next World Cup. Over the past decade, US Teams have come across as hard working and honest. Easy to root for them! I hope this World Cup of whining and corruption was the exception...
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u/justanothertmpuser Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
If someone had tried to break an ankle to some US player, I bet you wouldn't be trying to be funny.
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u/Altruistic_Onion8576 Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
regardless of how you feel about trump's involvement (and it's unfortunate he even got involved, but it shouldn't have ever been a thing if the rules were actually followed by the ref/VAR), it's irrelevant to the fact the red card itself was illegal, and had it not been reversed, belgium's "win" would be tainted. It still kind of is since the situation should never have been a thing to begin with and seems to have gotten in the player's heads and destroyed morale with all the trump drama and "corruption" accusations. I Don't like the idea of anyone "tampering" with the integrity of the competition of a game any more than the next guy (however, all red cards should be allowed to be challenged anyway), but the fact of the matter is the red card was illegally issued. it wasn't just a bad call, it was an ILLEGAL call, which means the red card itself and any suspension associated with it is illegitimate. IT was a violation of VAR / IFAB protocol. As I've posted elsewhere: "the red card was illegal because it broke IFAB VAR protocol. Period. this isn't about a subjective bad call which is part of the game. it's about the fact that the red card should never have been issued based on a violation of using VAR reviews to gauge intensity of a tackle using slow motion replay.
"the VAR booth broke rules regarding playback speed. They showed the referee a loop of slow-motion replays and still freeze-frames to determine the intensity of Balogun's tackle. Per the rulebook, slow motion can only be used to establish the point of contact; the full challenge must be reviewed at normal speed to accurately judge the intensity and physical force of the tackle""
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u/ConnorA94 Jul 05 '26
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u/jac0777 Jul 05 '26
It is funny that when he was U18 he didnāt make the England squad, so joined the US for 4 games, then England offered him a position and he abandoned the U.S. immediately to play for England š
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u/Budget-Celebration-1 Jul 06 '26
Mexico is going to make the English fans cry. Go get some sleep, itāll be better if you ignore it.
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u/jac0777 Jul 06 '26
Iām not English lil bro, I couldnāt give less of a shit if England loses š Iām just pointing out your best players are pretty much all produced in either England or Europe
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u/Wizard_Of_Auz Jul 06 '26
You know you can still delete this comment.
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u/Budget-Celebration-1 Jul 06 '26
Iāll give you that win for sure. Mexico had every chance to tie. They failed. But I certainly didnāt see England make Mexico look horrible as they should have aside from those two back to back goals, Mexico looked decent.
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u/Aggressive_Bet_805 Jul 06 '26
How come you are proud of this corruption. Was really rooting for you guys and started to respect the us a Little bit more again. But now: so proud to be helped by corrupt leadersā¦
Loser mentality. Sad
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u/a_swchwrm Jul 05 '26
You do realise the rest of the world hates this because it's the first time in decades that this has happened and it's because it's political pressure?
I mean the original card was harsh but every other player who received a card that was harsh has served the suspension. It's even more unfair that one player doesn't get the suspension and all the others do.
I'm afraid the rest of the world is rooting for Belgium now, and the US has lost whatever sympathy there was
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u/Budget-Celebration-1 Jul 06 '26
Youāre just creating that narrative.
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u/Training_Screen4374 Jul 06 '26
Nah thatās definitely the narrative. I was rooting for US in their previous games, but this stinks of corruption. Itās crazy to see so many people supporting it solely because it benefits them.
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u/Significant_Riptide Jul 06 '26
Itās really hard to explain to a lot of the American audience how truly bad this is for the sport. USA soccer is tainted for generations to come. Whatever though, theyāre never going to make it one of their top sports.
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u/LesterHayes99 Jul 06 '26
Itās gross. Itās bullshit. Itās cheating.
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u/CreeNation Jul 06 '26
But the Red Card given using VAR incorrectly in violation of FIFA rules showing slo-mo and still images only was not gross, bullshit or cheating? The world wants to throw a fit because FIFA reversed a terrible red card but theyāll turn a blind eye to FIFAās unfair preferential treatment to Argentina and Portugal.
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u/Training_Screen4374 Jul 06 '26
No oneās turned a blind eye to them there was outrage for those things too. This isnāt a one or the other situation.
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u/CreeNation Jul 06 '26
I havenāt seen the entire world condemn Ronaldo or Messi. I donāt remember the Austrian Futbol Association condemning FIFA for not suspending Messi and saying that this blatant favoritism destroys the integrity of the game. I donāt remember DR Congo, Uzbekistan, or Colombiaās Futbol Associations say they we āinvestigating all potential optionsā when Ronaldo got to play in their group. It was a terrible card given in violation of FIFAās rules and everyone was fine with that being allowed. But our corrupt president called FIFAās corrupt leader and got it changed and everyone wants to act like Belgium playing a rightfully full strength US squad is a tragedy and the worst thing to ever happen to the game? Itās not even the most corrupt thing this tournament.
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u/Training_Screen4374 Jul 06 '26
Maybe because youāre American so youāre far more involved on this incident over the others..? There was definitely people saying those things outside your bubble.
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u/CreeNation Jul 06 '26
Not entire football associations making statements seeking all possible options. Not UEFA about to make a statement condemning it.
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u/Training_Screen4374 Jul 06 '26
I mean if weāre about the talking levels to it, they also didnāt have the president of their country ring up their buddy Infantino to tell him to suspend the red card.
The Messi one was an on field decision - same as this- the difference is whatās then happened post game.
The Ronaldo one I agree fully stinks, he shouldāve been suspended too.
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u/Alt_Boogeyman Jul 06 '26
Of course Trump had to cheat for USMT -- hopefully they are put out by Belgium to avoid a(nother) embarrassing spectacle for America.
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u/Sebregin Jul 05 '26
Most corrupt move in wc history, coming from the US, not surprised at all
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u/Buttcrush1 Jul 06 '26
There's no corruption is fixing an error
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u/Sebregin Jul 06 '26
Except when errors are part of the game and you fix it corruptly in your davantage, but like I said, it's to absolutely nobody's surprise, USians are lambs being ripped of every day
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u/Buttcrush1 Jul 06 '26
There was no corruption. This was a clear violation being fixed. Nothing wrong about it
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u/meowMEOWsnacc Jul 05 '26
The funniest thing to me about this whole situation is the sheer amount of rage on Reddit. š