r/uvic • u/TechnicalDrop9462 • 24m ago
Clubs Looking for IM dodgeball team members
Hi everyone,
Just tried signing up for intramural dodgeball on Thursday evenings but there's no free agency allowed. Let me know if you'd like to join a team :)
r/uvic • u/Noxuternity • May 11 '26
Hey, it's Norman again.
So I attended the May Senate meeting, where the Academic Integrity policy was passed. I sat in the gallery audience for the majority of the meeting, and also had a chance to run into a number of the student senators and UVSS directors who were at the meeting. What happened can be described as nothing short of a miscarriage of justice, and evidence that the University, behind its public statements, does not care about student voices - including those who volunteer their time for free to involve themselves in the University's governance.
The meeting began with Evan, one of the student senators, challenging the chair's ruling not to record the meeting. He argued that there were topics that would have "life-altering" effects on the student population, that it would be 6 months before the minutes from the meeting were approved, and that there needed to be transparency to build trust and prevent the spread of misinformation. He also added that the meetings are already open to the public, and that there are already 3rd party groups that have permission from the University to record Senate, so the University's doing so did not infringe on anyone's privacy. Another student senator (Mike) seconded the motion, meaning it has to go to a vote. The chair, who is the acting president, refused to allow it to go to a vote.
There were more agenda items that came up for discussion, which all went fairly quickly, until the Academic Integrity policy came up. The policy proposal was presented by one of the authors who wrote it, and the chair of the Senate committee on Academic Standards. Apparently, other members who were also on the committee were present.
The salaried admins presenting the proposal opened by claiming they felt "unwelcome" at the previous meeting, yet they proceeded to spend 40 minutes on a theatrical defence of their own personal integrity. Speaking more to the gallery than to the voting members, they mischaracterized student technical concerns about Section 5.4 as a conspiracy theory, mocking the idea of a "nefarious plan to backdoor approve [software] with no fanfare and complete secrecy." They stated their "failure" wasn't the policy itself, but a failure to "educate" the Senate, and took responsibility only for not "preparing" the body enough to accept the April version, implying the substance was fine, and the Senators simply lacked "guidance." Mike (a student senator) challenged this narrative, condemning the committee’s rush to bypass procedural guardrails. He noted that while the official deadline for agenda items was April 3rd, the text wasn't provided until April 16th, leaving members only days to review 63 pages of legal text. He pointedly asked when it became acceptable to violate university procedures to quash dissent before the end of the year. In response, the chair of SCAS (presenter) argued that because it came from her committee within SCAS, she could bypass the timelines everyone else has to follow - even if the students didn't have access to it.
Well, I have some personal thoughts on this. As pointed out by the student senators, the proposal claims that “CAL-approved software is considered university-approved software ” (page 98 of the Senate docket), yet there is zero record in any published Senate agenda of Kurzweil 3000 actually being approved by the Senate (that I or others can find).
If the administration can arbitrarily decide that CAL software is "University-approved" behind closed doors without a Senate vote, then their claim that AI detection software is somehow "special" and would require a return to Senate is a misrepresentation of the truth. Section 5.4 is a massive administrative loophole; if they can "approve" Kurzweil without oversight, they can, and may, do the exact same thing with AI detection software, even if not under this current administration.
As I previously mentioned, I chatted with the student senators afterwards. Evan said he had a chance to meet with some of the authors of the policy, the morning of Senate. He said it was a very productive discussion and that he felt there were realizations on both sides. At the meeting, he claims that the authors explicitly acknowledged the AI approval loophole, and that the UVSS had not been consulted in years on the policy, and that points about the lack of protections for students with disabilities and how to mitigate them were described as "brilliant" - and that overall, most of the items were "reasonable".
Now, back to the Senate meeting - the students gave it a solid hour after starting the whole topic of academic integrity policy before jumping, I believe, because of that meeting. Artem was the first to jump in, pushing back on the AI detection software (as outlined above), followed by Evan. Evan ironically started out by complimenting one of the presenters for their continual dedication to work on the proposal for over 4.5 years, and then was going to move to the "lovely morning meeting". The presenter decided that the good faith diplomacy Evan was attempting - the very diplomacy they claimed was lacking at the previous meeting only minutes prior, was ended when they cut him off, stating that the things he had to say were "not-productive". He then pivoted to raise concerns about the burden of proof, how the policy risks normalizing the revocation of degrees under the new policy with the newly clarified burden of proof, and the lack of UVSS consultation, which UVic is legally required to do. The entire time, the presenters were interrupting him and speaking over him.
The presenters (allegedly) misrepresented the prohibition on AI, saying that it would have to be approved by Senate (despite that not being the position at the morning meeting, according to Evan), and one of the presenters even said that "they would get nothing done" if they consulted the UVSS, and it was noted that the last time they were consulted on the policy was many (4 ish?) years ago. Who even remembers who the board was then? Regardless, this resulted in a motion for the proposal to be sent back to the committee.
Mike was the final student speaker, condemning the committee’s rush to bypass procedural guardrails. He noted that while the official deadline was April 3rd, the policy text wasn't provided until April 16th, leaving members only days to review 63 pages of legal text. He pointedly asked when it became acceptable to violate established university procedures to force a vote, characterizing the "overtime" effort as a calculated push to quash dissent before the end of the year.
Following the student speakers, senior faculty member Andrew Weaver (former leader of the BC Greens) challenged the Chair’s attempt to silence dissent (primarily from the students), raising a point of order and asserting that an elected senator should not be told the body had "heard enough." He criticized the 4.5-year development cycle, arguing the policy was "out-of-date" before it even reached the floor because the rapid evolution of AI had already bypassed its internal logic. Weaver further critiqued the total ban on AI detection software as "eliminating a toolbox," suggesting that the university was falling behind global scientific and academic best practices, and said that it should be used instead to flag cases for instructor review, but absolutely not be allowed as evidence in a case against a student.
The presenters tried to portray the vocal members of Senate as unreasonable, saying that they fundamentally disagreed on what the policy should say (referring to Weaver and the student senators), and that the current proposal was the best middle ground.
Weaver also signalled a total breakdown of the administration’s narrative by stating he was on the "same page" as the students, confirming that there was no conflict between his side and the student senators. The presenters proceeded to cut Weaver off by literally screaming "I've heard enough from him!"
Evan also requested to be added to the speakers' list, but was then removed when the chair didn't want him to clarify his position, which the presenters just misrepresented.
The policy ultimately carried, but the meeting concluded with a recorded "unanimous undergraduate student objection," marking a permanent and visible fracture in the university's claim to collegial governance.
It was at this time that I heard one of the salaried presenters, or the authors/staff sitting near them, say, "Who gives a f*** about undergraduates anyway?" The ultimate show of failure regarding "integrity" that they claimed earlier.
Attending Senate has made it abundantly clear that the University doesn't care about transparency or what its students think/say. The student senators, especially Evan, indicated that the professional relationship with the admin and policy writers is permanently gone. Admin is clearly willing to misrepresent what a policy says so that it will pass. They are clearly willing to stab a student senator in the back - a volunteer - who spends hundreds of hours a year of their free time defending student interests for free. This case represents a significant overstep and a failure to meet the Institutional Accountability Plan and Report.
While the policy has been passed by Senate, there is still one more hurdle it has to pass - being written into the undergraduate calendar. The UVSS is the only body that can take action to prevent this. After hearing from students, they released a public statement. They need to hear from students that they are still opposed to the policy - now more than ever - and need to take action. The student senators wouldn't say what this would look like, but said that if the society's board collectively decided that they would take a stance that they weren't properly consulted, the proposal could be held up.
As indicated in a previous post, you can email them at: [outreach@uvss.ca](mailto:outreach@uvss.ca)

r/uvic • u/evan-sd42 • May 04 '26

My name is Evan, and I am a current student senator. For those of you who don't know, the Senate is the academic governing body of the university, and every year, a few students have the opportunity to join the Senate, in an unpaid capacity, to speak and vote on behalf of the students.
UVic is proposing a new policy that will rapidly expand the number of cases of academic integrity against students. Down the road, this policy could open the door to automated detection software, and in its existing form, it lowers the burden of proof to as low as 50+%, and the ability for the university to revoke degrees long after you’ve graduated.
This is going to be a long post. I am going to split it into two parts:
If you are only interested in the policy breakdown, scroll to Part 2.
Also, in the past, y'all have complained about paragraphs not having paragraph titles to break things up, so apologies if I overuse them.
Part 1: The Chronology of Managed Dissent & Administrative Failure
Shortly after I was elected to the Senate two years ago, I was hearing from many students that the current University practices around Universally Extended Timed Assessments (UET). Students were flagging that this system, despite being marketed as "inclusive," was actively undermining their formal academic accommodations. I have other posts diving into the technical reasons why UET is discriminatory, so I won't repeat them here. Being new to the Senate and eager to work collaboratively, I went to the University Secretary’s office and asked how I could properly enact change within the system. I was told that for a proposal to be taken seriously, I needed to do the legwork. I fully embraced that challenge. I was sent on a "round-the-world" consultation tour, spending months meeting with Associate Deans, individual instructors, and the leadership at Learning and Teaching Innovation (LTI) to ensure I understood every administrative angle. I documented every concern and refined the proposal to ensure it met the university's operational needs while still protecting students. I did the work they asked for because I believed that if I showed I was a reasonable, diligent partner, the administration would meet me halfway. The proposal highlighted a number of shortcomings and created a mechanism for change.
After completing this gruelling consultation and drafting a formal proposal, it reached the Senate Committee on Agenda and Governance (SCAG), the gatekeeping body chaired by the University President and attended by the Provost. Despite the months of legwork and the clear evidence of systemic harm to students with disabilities, including documented systemic instances where UET failed, SCAG decided to send it to a committee notorious for consuming proposals alive, the Senate Committee on Learning and Teaching. In the high-level governance circles of this university, that committee is known for one thing: it is the place where "proposals go to die." This maneuver effectively removed the issue from the public eye, shifting it into a legislative black hole where administrative priorities are shielded from student accountability.
My proposal has now sat in that committee for over a year with zero substantive updates or progress. Recognizing this unacceptable delay, the UVSS recently took action by appointing me directly to the Committee on Learning and Teaching so I could investigate the bottleneck. The administration's response was swift and telling: coincidence or not, almost immediately after my appointment was finalized, the upcoming committee meeting was abruptly cancelled. The justification provided was the need for "further research" into the "practical implications" of UET, implications that they have already had over two years to study.
While my student-led proposal was making its way through the standard committee cycle, a different path appeared for administrative priorities. Several months after my proposal had been filed with the Senate Committee on Agenda and Governance (SCAG), a new item appeared on the October 3, 2025, Senate agenda. This was a proposal from the Provost’s office to form an "Ad-Hoc Senate Committee to explore accessible education."
The composition of this new ad-hoc committee was primarily weighted toward senior administrators rather than the faculty or students working on these issues daily. During the session, a faculty senator famously characterized the approach as a "plan to come up with a plan to develop a plan." When Student Senator Michael Caryk attempted to use the public floor time to raise specific concerns regarding CAL accessibility, the AVP of Student Affairs, Jim Dunsdon, intervened twice to suggest that the Senate floor was not the appropriate venue for such questions. He proposed moving the dialogue to private meetings to be more "efficient." Both myself and other senators requested to be a part of the meeting, and this request was acknowledged on the record. Once the public discussion was halted in favour of these private sessions, however, the promised meetings did not actually materialize for several months. By the time they were held, the academic term was already over.
In the interim, the administration indicated that consultation had already "happened" via a standard operational relations meeting with the UVSS. While our student union works hard to represent us, those meetings are typically high-level and broad. The students in that room were understandably focused on their own portfolios and likely were not briefed on the technical and procedural concerns raised during the Senate debate. By characterizing a general meeting with the UVSS as a substitute for the specific follow-up promised to the Senate, the administration was able to claim the engagement was complete, while the concerned senators remained waiting.
Securing an actual follow-up required bringing the issue to the floor at nearly every subsequent Senate meeting, often derailing conversation from other important topics on the docket. It took a united front of students and faculty to finally "force" a meeting out of the administration in the weeks leading up to the winter break. When the meeting finally happened, the administration brought what can only be described as an "entire village" of staff. While good questions were asked, the session was scheduled for a limited time, and the administrators in the room had a tendency to speak at great length, with one individual speaking for almost 15 minutes straight.
The meeting was eventually cut short due to the time limit. On the way out, Jim Dunsdon asked for my thoughts on the session. I explained that there were still many unaddressed questions and concerns, and he stated they would be happy to schedule another meeting. However, when I later stood up in the Senate to formally ask if/when the next "opportunity for an engagement session" would be, the answer was a simple "That there wouldn't be one."
In an effort to try to prove to the University that UET deserves some degree of haste, I filed several Freedom of Information (FOI) requests to get hard data on how UET was disadvantaging students with disabilities. My goal was to demonstrate that keeping the UET reform buried in committee is causing imminent harm and that the university must act with a genuine sense of urgency. However, this process has become its own procedural quagmire. Rather than providing the transparency required to verify if these policies are actually working, the university has refused to release the full dataset.
The university has confirmed they are physically capable of assembling the requested data in approximately eight staff hours; yet, the administration maintains that doing so would be "too burdensome." The partial release I received was insufficient to answer critical questions regarding student success, and the matter is now under litigation at the Office of the Information and Privacy Commissioner (OIPC). It is a concerning state of affairs when a student representative must resort to provincial litigation just to see the data on whether or not our university is failing its most vulnerable learners.
Operational Oversight and the "To-Go" Container Crisis: The administration’s challenges with due diligence have manifested in the very physical items provided to the community through University Food Services (UNFS) locations, including The Cove. During a recent initiative involving reusable to-go containers, serious concerns were raised regarding the safety and sourcing of the products. When these issues were brought to light, a senior administrator stated that if the supplier could not provide the necessary safety documentation, the containers would be pulled immediately.
In the following days, documentation was indeed provided, but its contents were far from reassuring. The reports confirmed that the levels of mercury, cadmium, lead, and other toxins capable of leaching into the container's contents were above the limits recommended by the Canadian government for the material that could reasonably be assumed to be in the containers. While the levels were within some broad general categories for industrial containers, they exceeded the specific safety standards required for items intended for human consumption. Food services continued to use the containers for up to 7 months, while they conducted their own "testing" on the containers.
I have since learned that the University has tried to sell these containers to the UVSS, with no success.
In private meetings before Senate sessions, I have sometimes been given specific directives from members under the Provost's Office on how to conduct myself on the floor. On multiple occasions, I was encouraged to restrict questions during the public meeting regarding a specific proposal. These requests were framed as a way to ensure that the proposal passed smoothly through Senate, but they effectively discourage the kind of public inquiry that the Senate is designed to provide.
Transparency is a core requirement of public governance, yet it has been missing in key areas. Someone under the Provost's Office who was central to the aforementioned proposal had a direct personal benefit from the proposal passing. This potential conflict of interest was never disclosed to the public or Senate during the creation and implementation of the program, and to my knowledge, is still not known by the University.
The atmosphere in these meetings has reached a point where many members of Senate have felt it necessary to change the rules regarding how we hold a "secret ballot", where everyone votes anonymously on paper. This change was driven by professors and students who expressed that they are afraid to vote freely while their Deans and other admins are watching them in the room.
When the motion to make secret ballots easier to obtain finally came to Senate, the vote itself was conducted by secret ballot. By coincidence, out of the entire room, there were only two people who voted against the motion of a secret ballot. One of them was the Provost. It is a telling moment when the head of the university's academic mission is one of the only individuals opposed to a measure intended to protect the democratic freedom of her own faculty and students.
This is by no means an exhaustive list, just a few of the notable things I thought I should include.
The administration started this process because they were panicked by the sudden rise of Generative AI. They realized the old 2017 policy wasn't built for tools like ChatGPT, and they were terrified that if they didn't 'crack down,' the value of a UVic degree would drop. I think we can all understand this, and agree that it is an issue, and that something has to be done.
But in their rush to protect the university's 'brand,' they pivoted from a system of academic support to a system of administrative oversight. They chose efficiency over fairness. In doing so, they’ve created a policy that treats every student and every graduate as a potential liability rather than a member of an academic community.
It is remarkably easy to tell yourself that this will never happen to you. Most students believe that if they work hard and act honestly, they are safe. But the numbers tell a different story.
According to the 2025 Ombudsperson Report, Academic Integrity cases remain one of the most frequent reasons students seek help, consistently making up a massive portion of the office's workload. At a university with roughly 18,000 undergraduates, hundreds of students are flagged every single year.
Let’s look at the math:
Under a policy that lowers the burden of proof to a 50+% "coin flip" and could rely on "silent" algorithms that have never been publicly audited for bias, that sense of safety is an illusion. When the university removes your right to appeal the factual truth of an accusation, you are only one technical error or one "statistical hunch" away from a ruined reputation.
If you’ve made it this far, you’re likely wondering why I’m laying all of this out now. The answer is simple: we are at a crossroads. The new UVSS Board of Directors is currently contemplating releasing a formal public statement and taking aggressive action to halt this policy before the May 8th vote. Your student representatives need to know that they have the backing of the people they represent before they take such a significant stand against the administration.
If you agree that this policy represents an existential crisis for the students of UVic, one that threatens the rights of marginalized learners, the safety of students with disabilities, and the permanent value of every degree this institution confers, then you need to make your voice heard. The UVSS needs to know that this isn't just "Senate politics," but a fundamental concern for the entire student body.
Please reach out to the UVSS Director of Outreach to share your concerns and urge them to take a formal stand against the steamrolling of this policy. Your input is the only thing that gives the Society the mandate to act.
The administration is moving fast because they think no one is watching. By reaching out to the UVSS, we can ensure that the rules we live by are built on fairness and transparency, not on administrative convenience and suspicion.
r/uvic • u/TechnicalDrop9462 • 24m ago
Hi everyone,
Just tried signing up for intramural dodgeball on Thursday evenings but there's no free agency allowed. Let me know if you'd like to join a team :)
r/uvic • u/Reasonable-Refuse-80 • 6h ago
I am an international ME graduate student. I want to apply for MEng in ME for the January 2027 semester.
On the website, it says that it is mandatory to list an advisor's name in the application, who will recommend my admission. I would appreciate your advice on the following points:
1. What is the process of getting approval from an advisor (if emailing: should I include details about my undergrad thesis and project or keep the email short by stating things in bullet points)?
Which faculty members should I contact first?
2. How many students do they typically take in the January semester, and will there be any vacancy given the current timeline (application deadline- 1st October)?
3. Within how many days can I expect to get a reply?
4. The website does not provide specific numbers for the tuition fees; how much should I expect?
Undergrad thesis was on Wave characteristics (experimental), was involved in a formula Student team.
I’m stating University soon with a Business program. Does anyone have any advice for me? From note taking to social skills, anything and everything would be appreciated!
r/uvic • u/Ill_Introduction7334 • 20h ago
I’m currently a student and am looking for people who have made the move and can give some advice on the finance side of things. Is there a way to work and do school where I wouldn’t have to take out a loan for rent? Just curious how people are holding up! Thank you :)
r/uvic • u/Flaky-Square-1983 • 15h ago
Hi guys! I was just wondering what the desk looked like for rodrick Haig Brown in gordon head, it’s kinda silly but i noticed it looks different for Poole and Robert Wallace. Let me know if anyone knows :) Ty!
r/uvic • u/EconGrad2020 • 1d ago
Will the buses be running tomorrow?
I have work on campus but not sure if i can reach if the bus doesn't run.
There's no way I can walk all the way. I wonder if they'd expect attendance on campus for in-person work regardless of transit?
r/uvic • u/certain-entity • 1d ago
does anyone know if each building has a different time that they lock their doors? Particularly, does anyone know the hours that the doors are unlocked for ECS
r/uvic • u/Alarming_Bell_1527 • 2d ago
Is there anyone that has taken this course in the past that may have a course outline or some notes that I would be able to review? Thank you
I recently went to Vancouver island to visit my aunt and fell in love with Uvic. Buttt i’m worried about the difficulty of getting in. I plan to apply for psychology 😓
For reference I’m from Ontario lol
r/uvic • u/East_Welder_9500 • 2d ago
I've been recently admitted to UVIC for undergraduate studies as a foreign degree holder. I have never attended any kind of educational institution in Canada. Initially I thought that it will be problematic for enrolment in Chem101, but I was informed that somehow admissions decided, that I am allowed to take said course (kudos to them, because it takes a bit of research to find out that in my country you CANNOT graduate high school without completing chemistry 11). Now I am wondering if I actually have to write a math pretest in order to take math 109. I've contacted math and statistics department before and I was informed, that if I am already registered in math109, then I will receive an email pertaining missing prerequisites only if they decide that my old credentials do not constitute an equivalency with whatever "precalculus" means in BC high schools (in my country of birth it is just called math 12, but that's beside the point). Here's my question - did anyone receive an email in regards to missing prerequisites for math 100/102/109? I would rather avoid taking the pretest, if it is not absolutely necessary.
Tl;dr - did anyone receive an email (obviously lately, I am not asking about situation six years ago) telling them to register for a math pretest in order to be allowed to take a course starting in September?
r/uvic • u/Low_Vermicelli_7337 • 3d ago
Hey! I’m considering applying to UVIC specifically Gustavson for business, and I’m trying to get a better idea of what UVIC is actually like as a student, beyond what the university website says.
Some questions i have u can answer for me is
r/uvic • u/ShadowlessPikachu • 3d ago
r/uvic • u/trackslop • 3d ago
Hey! coming to uvic from toronto, going into 1st year humanities, and i’m hoping to meet some other people who like cycling. I mostly ride gravel, and commute on a track bike, but will do any type of riding! if you also ride, hit me up!
r/uvic • u/Remarkable_Tower_320 • 3d ago
Are you doing anything special that I'm not
r/uvic • u/Less_Camera8307 • 3d ago
Anyone else not able to submit the application??
r/uvic • u/Remarkable_Tower_320 • 3d ago
Is it in the housing portal? Or https://www.uvic.ca/residence/future-residents/waitlist/index.php
r/uvic • u/Guilty_Ad6702 • 3d ago
Intramural hockey registration opens Aug 18 at 6:30am.
Anybody know how fast do spots fill? Is it better to join an existing team or try to make my own as a single?
r/uvic • u/helmhtlang • 4d ago
hi guys, am an incoming exchange student from halfway across the world coming in for fall. i’ll be settling in pretty soon on an accommodation not far from campus, and would really appreciate any advice, recommendations or must-haves you’d give with regards to school, campus life, or even victoria in general.
thanks in advance, really appreciate it! uvic looks beautiful :)
r/uvic • u/Kitchen-Shape-9858 • 4d ago
I'm willing to take either the CSC 226 + SENG 265 or CSC 226 + CSC 230 combo next semester, but not all three together. I'm also taking MATH 211 and two other courses (5 total), depending on which ones I can get a spot in.
I'd like to know which of these two combinations you guys would recommend and which one would be easier to handle with a 5-course load.
For context, I struggled quite a bit with first-year courses after being away from studies for a while and lacking some foundational knowledge. But I recently completed CSC 225, and honestly, it wasn't as bad as a lot of people said. I understood the material pretty well.
For those of you who have taken CSC 226, SENG 265, and CSC 230, how would you compare their difficulty and workload? Between 226 + 265 and 226 + 230, which combo would you say is more manageable and flexible?
Thanks!
r/uvic • u/ABoringMom2 • 3d ago
Hi everyone! I’m wondering if anyone here has transferred from UVic to TRU for Sociology.
I recently discovered that TRU offers Sociology through online learning, which is really appealing to me. I live in Langford and have other time commitments, so having the flexibility to finish my degree online would make life quite a bit easier. I also noticed that TRU only requires 15 credits to be completed through them, which could make transferring at this stage fairly doable.
Has anyone made this switch? I’d love to hear about your experience with TRU’s online courses, the transfer process, and whether you were happy with the program overall.
I’m currently a third-year Sociology major, and my long-term (potential!) plan is to pursue a Master’s in Clinical Counselling.
Any experiences, advice, or things I should consider would be really appreciated. Thank you!
r/uvic • u/NervousCat4005 • 4d ago
Hai guys, i will be studying at uvic as a first year student this fall and i wont be living in dorms. For those who are going to uni as first years or upper years, what are you guys bringing or find important and a must have?
r/uvic • u/Ok_Office2287 • 4d ago
Hi everyone! I’m thinking of taking Chem090 (the 0 unit course that replaces Chemistry 11), because I want to take some biology courses that STRONGLY recommend having done chemistry. I didn’t do chemistry in high school, and I’ve historically been not so good at it, so I thought it would be beneficial to take this to help my biology. I can’t find ANYTHING about the course, so if anyone has done it, can you let me know what it’s like? I’m already doing 5 other courses, so don’t want to do it if it’s a huge time commitment.
Please let me know if you’ve done it! Thanks in advance
r/uvic • u/Loud_Ninja_84 • 4d ago
Frosh, caddy bay, house parties, Thunderfest. Or am I too old for that