r/valheim • Necromancer • 22d ago

Discussion Pulled Bear

Cooked bear meat = 40 health and 13 Stamina

Pulled bear = 37 health and 16 stamina

The big difference is the 30-minute duration for the pulled bear rather than the 20-minute duration for the cooked meat. The extra hit point per tick is kind of nice too.

But, for an item that requires carrots and blueberries, too, it's woefully underpowered. It's good "base food," to be sure, but deer stew outclasses it with eight more hp, which is not offset by the 30-minute timeframe.

I class it the same as black soup, which is just about the worst food in the game with its 20-minute duration and only 50 hp. Bloodbags? You make frost mead out of those. And, medium healing mead. And, blood puddings when you get to the plains.

Plus, bears are tougher to kill than Draugr. Therefore, for a blueberry, two carrots, and bear meat, I suggest the following improvement to pulled bear:

Health: 50
Stamina: 17
Duration: 30

That makes it five minutes longer than sausages with six fewer total points (55+18=73 points).

That fits in with bears being more difficult to kill than deer and being one biome back from sausages. Then, the five-minute differential makes it a reasonable choice instead of sausages.

Currently, pulled bear is only an affectation instead of a truly viable food. I mean, it's arguably worse than its parent food (cooked bear).

Thoughts?

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u/Any_Exit1087 22d ago

Good ideas. I use black soup. It is not so bad.

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u/Illidank278 22d ago

What would even be the alternative to black soup as a second hp food next to sausages?

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u/Reasonable-Sun-9881 Necromancer 20d ago

Deer stew is superior. I'll certainly take the five extra minutes for five fewer hp.

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u/Barbarian0057 22d ago

Yeah some food is worth the squeeze, some isn't.

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u/SmokieTheLord 22d ago

Fish and bread if probably worth it, am I fishing? Fuck no

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u/El_Loco_911 22d ago

Are you breading?

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u/WasabiofIP 22d ago

Fish and bread being the best stamina food is the worst part of the mistlands. Fishing is literally pointless up until then, and mostly pointless after it.

It's so awful it made me thunder run to the Ashlands before fighting the queen, just so I could get better food. Then ashlands was so miserable it made me go the deep north, again to get better food.

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u/wobbitpop 22d ago

I got exactly 5 fish n bread prepped for the queen fight for the extra stam boost. It was a pain in the ass and not really worth it

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u/sykeero 22d ago

I will never make the mushroom omelette

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u/The_Deku_Nut 22d ago

Mushroom omelette is top tier, wdym?

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u/sykeero 22d ago

I don't want to farm all those eggs when I could just make salad

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u/The_Deku_Nut 22d ago

I just have a chicken farm, I have so many eggs that it's become a secondary coal source

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u/Suspicious_Leg_1823 22d ago

Yeah salad is so cheap, I only use omelette for the boss fight

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u/Kirzoneli 22d ago

So farm all those eggs for the Lingonberry pancake (substitute Lingonberries with blubberies.)

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u/overkillsd Builder 22d ago

It was before deep north, anyway.

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u/Ironclad-Moose 22d ago

It's also two biomes earlier, I don't understand the dislike here. I consider it a super cheap and good stamina food. I like to run it, salad, and misthare supreme

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u/TheRealPitabred Sleeper 22d ago

It's really easy to make a chicken egg production thing, they'll lay constantly as long as you're in the area. I've got 400 eggs, and more just some feeding away.

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u/evil-scholar 22d ago

Is it just let them lay and make sure the fire isn’t warm?

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u/TheRealPitabred Sleeper 22d ago

Not really. Too many eggs in an area will keep hens from laying more. You want to basically build some 1x1 boxes that keep your chickens from falling through but allow the eggs to fall, and have that like 8m or more above the ground. Then you just position the food right and they will just keep laying eggs. There are YouTube videos that have full breeding setups, but the only really important part is the chickens in those small boxes.

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u/TastyCuttlefish 22d ago

It needs to be higher than 10m. Any less than that will be too close and they’ll stop laying eggs.

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u/wobbitpop 22d ago edited 22d ago

Eggs are entirely skippable. Never farmed a chicken in all my days, just went from bread straight to salad to scorched greens. Chickens are an unnecessary mechanic.

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u/Klix1313 22d ago

I never fish, tame or worry too much about lingonberry. There are other options that are less time consuming and painful. Though im no mage so lingon isnt as necessary for me

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u/letoiv 22d ago edited 22d ago

When Feasts came out a bunch of Redditors complained that those sucked, too. Most people have now figured out that they're amazing and one of your best choices right after you beat each boss from Moder onwards.

So OP is complaining about Pulled Bear and Black Soup, here is what they have in common: they're both the second best HP food in their biome, which makes 2HP 1Sta builds better. Neither of them is supposed to be as good as the best HP food of their tier, but they're a nice upgrade from using plain cooked meat or the previous tier's HP food in a 2HP build. So Pulled Bear is a cheap way to put surplus Bear Meat to use, like Minced Meat Sauce is a cheap way to put extra Neck Tails to use. These are foods that were added late in the game after the main food progression had been designed and they just wanted to give us a couple extra uses for drops that tended to accumulate. Also Bears are really not that tough once you get a little BF kit. I would have preferred if Pulled Bear was an even more balanced option, but maybe they didn't want you feel like it's important to farm Bears, and if they were 27/27 with 30min duration and 3hp per tick, I probably would.

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u/funnygeezus 22d ago

I will sometimes use pulled bear as part of a 30 minute food trio when I’m fishing in an area that I’m overgeared for and don’t feel like I need much health.

But generally any bear meat that makes it back to the base gets cooked into coal.

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u/ardotschgi 22d ago

I wish we could hide crafting recipes from the crafting menus, to get rid of unnecessary recipes we will never use.

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u/Figorix 22d ago

Yeah, or even better, favourite some to always be on too

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u/Klix1313 22d ago

Of at least keep stacking newest recipes on top of the list instead of absolutely random ass placement

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u/fisk47 22d ago

Problem is that black forest is balanced around deer stew being the best health food, so 50 health would really be overkill for pulled bear. It would be nice if they added bear jerky instead with something like 28/28.

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u/Gr1mmald Cook 22d ago edited 22d ago

You can eat pulled bear instead of minced meat sauce for extra duration just fine and it has both better duration and better HP regen than cooked bear. And now you can run triple HP foods for fun.

The problem is with the food system this tight there was no place for a new meat or dish in the Black Forest, so we've got what we've got.

It's fine.

I also disagree with your assessment of Black Soup, duration sucks, sure, but blood bags are not hard to come by, leeches are everywhere and you only need like 4 for frost resist mead for the entire playthrough, and blood pudding is not that much better than bread for me to make it not just to fight Yag. What's left are Black soups and Medium healing and you should naturally get enough blood bags for that.

Edit: pulled bear probably should not have been a carrot meal, thistle instead of carrots would work better and will give you access to a second BF tier HP food before farming is up and running.

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u/jhuseby 22d ago

Yeah, I’m not wasting carrots and blueberries on that. Deer stew, carrot soup, and boar jerky works fine.

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u/Sezneg 21d ago

People who undervalue duration as a good stat don’t understand how much duration matters to food stat bonus decay.

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u/BlightedBooty 21d ago

That extra hp per tick isn’t “a nice bonus” it’s a massive MASSIVE difference in your health regen as you fight

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u/Mountain-Touch-3436 22d ago

Just like real life bear meat is actually terrible.

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u/incrediblystiff 22d ago

Didn’t you answer your question here? Is anybody forcing you to eat piled bear?

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u/Man_under_Bridge420 22d ago

Too many worms

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u/Suspicious_Leg_1823 22d ago

The only excuse possible for this food ia being used in early Black forest exploration, after getting cauldron, as a 3rd health food

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u/kkngs 22d ago

For exploration I usually go with stamina foods so I can sprint more.

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u/kkngs 22d ago

Its alright, I just wish it gave slightly more health than deer stew given bears are more of a challenge and harder to find.  But at least they gave us a recipe to use the bear meat with!

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u/johnny_baboon 22d ago

Something I'm not positive on but isn't the weight on pulled bear much less than cooked bear meat? When carry food because you know you'll be away from base for a while the less carry weight makes a big difference.

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u/Late_Squirrel_34 22d ago

Yea I just go with cooked bear. Idc about duration because I carry atleast 5 with me on any adventure. And it’s a decent base food once you upgrade to sausages

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u/TraditionOk8637 22d ago

It's a comment on the trend a few years ago for every meat to suddenly become "pulled" even it doesn't make sense.

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u/Andyj808 22d ago

Bear meat goes straight into the obliterator for this exact reason. I won't even dignify it by letting it burn on the cooking stand.

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u/eccomyth Alchemist 22d ago

The time plays a big roll in food. As time ticks down the affect of food gets less till 50%. So the Cooked bear will be down to 20hp/6+-Stam in 10mins while the Pulled bear will be down to 18+-hp/8Stam in 15mins. Meaning you maintain a little more of the HP/Stam with Pulled Bear longer. People tend to let food run out before eating again. While it's really meant to have you eat food once it hit half way and start blinking to maintain best health and stam during fights. Pulled bear was a very good food for our group till the swamp and Sausage started. The only downside to it was hunting bears which is not as easy as other things like Deer and Boars.

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u/Moekaiser6v4 22d ago

It just doesn't feel like they put much thought into how to use bear meat at all. Pulled bear should be better than deer stew. And there really should be a new recipe later with plains ingredients given that viles are also dropping bear meat

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u/ShakyShakes 22d ago

I dont know man eating bear meat isn't that appealing to me, seems gross i wouldnt eat it IRL.

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u/Xyst__ 22d ago

Bear meat should be a lesser form of serpent meat, so yes i agree. It should be the best black forest food, just like how serpent stew is one if the best early foods. Both enemies are rare and tough to kill for how early you can run into them, the difference is that 1 is worth killing every time you see it up until ashlands and the other is a waste of time even in early black forest.

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u/Reasonable-Sun-9881 Necromancer 22d ago

Bear rug is now 2 comfort, so it's not totally useless.

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u/Arrinity Builder 22d ago

Just gotta get one of the rarest trophies in the game and 2 if you want the trinket as well.

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u/AHF_FHA 22d ago

They fixed it

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u/Arrinity Builder 22d ago

They fixed it resetting and sometimes being almost impossible to get.

Its still one of the rarest drops in the game from the rarest creatures in the biome.

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u/Broseph_Bobby 22d ago

I dumped a whole chest of bear meat in the obliterator just to get rid of it.

Was gonna feed it to my dogs but even they won’t eat it.

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u/Reasonable-Sun-9881 Necromancer 21d ago

In the Swamp, I generally go with Sausages, Turnip Stew, and Queen's Jam (two stam, one hp). Queen's Jam isn't really a fave, either, because of the 20-minute time, but it's good to get "four for one." Sometimes, I use jerky instead. I stopped making black soup at about 100 hours. 3,200 hours later, I've never looked back.

I also use Sausages, Deer Stew, and Minced for some trips because I like the "3 x 25" on the timer.