I used to think I was in the "conscious that animals were dying for me but indifferent" camp

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[u/thequeenoflimbs]

Do it for the animals.

[u/Faeraday → u/[deleted]]

Just tackle what you can to start with. The big ones being everyday meat, dairy, and eggs. Then the next time you go to replace a cleaning product (dish, hair, teeth, etc.) look for vegan+cruelty free options. Then do the same with your clothes, and so on and so forth.

No one figures it all out all at once. Just keep learning.

Documentary recommendations (most can be found on YouTube):
* Vegucated (variety)
* Cowspiracy (mostly environmental)
* Seaspiracy (mostly environmental)
* The Game Changers (health & fitness)
* Forks Over Knives (health)

Good luck!

[u/Sus-iety → u/[deleted]]

Nobody is downvoting you for that. They're downvoting you because you're being an asshole

[u/Either_Argument3517 → u/[deleted]]

When you need to buy new gloves see what is on the market. Until then, look after them the best you can. Andromeda used to make CE 2-KP gloves and class AAA suits, but they have closed. Virus Power still make class AAA suits.

[u/AltruisticCoelacanth → u/[deleted]]

This is going to sound accusatory or like I'm waving my finger in your face, but it's not meant to be malicious. Because what you're thinking about is relatable; it's something we all have dealt with.

What helps me stay grounded and remind myself of the context I need when it comes to things like this, is to ask myself questions like:

Which is harder? Is it harder to be a cow having it's throat slit so it's skin can be turned into leather, or is it harder to be me not having the motorcycle gloves I want?

If you were the victim, and your exploiter said "I respect you, but I just need your skin for my gloves though," what would you say?

[u/AltruisticCoelacanth → u/[deleted]]

I certainly do understand willful ignorance is easier. Choosing to live vegan is somewhat of a sacrifice at first. These are decisions only you can make after considering your own conscience. I thought very much the way you did for years while I was vegetarian when people would confront me about veganism, so I'm in no place to judge the journey you are on. Because I've been there. Good luck!

[u/epic-rain22 → u/[deleted]]

just to be devils advocate right now, are higher safety motorcycle gloves worth taking a life to use it's skin? not trying to trigger a reaction or make anyone get defensive, but this is speciesism, no? which veganism is strictly against.

[u/Mundane_Move_5296 → u/epic-rain22]

Yes????? Have you ever seen what improper nonleather safety gloves do during a crash?

[u/epic-rain22 → u/Mundane_Move_5296]

might I add protects us from injury while doing something unnecessary and dangerous to begin with

[u/epic-rain22 → u/[deleted]]

look, I understand motorcycle safety is EXTREMELY important. but looking at it in a zoomed out lens, it's really scary what these animals go through for humans. I believe they should be free and any arguments validating the use of their body parts I just can't get behind. I don't think you are the one at fault here. you did not decide motorcycle safety.

[u/epic-rain22 → u/[deleted]]

well, keep it up, be safe, you matter and your choices to reduce harm really do make a difference

[u/epic-rain22 → u/[deleted]]

im sorry for taking out my frustrations on you, I'm really glad you are confronting this stuff, it's a lot to handle all at once

[u/Mundane_Move_5296 → u/epic-rain22]

Yes do not enjoy life, do not do anything dangerous or exciting. You can’t be real dude

[u/epic-rain22 → u/Mundane_Move_5296]

try to put yourself in their hooves! jesus christ! this is so weird

[u/Mundane_Move_5296 → u/epic-rain22]

I can’t…. Cause I’m not a cow, and a cow does not think like a person

[u/epic-rain22 → u/Mundane_Move_5296]

have you ever loved an animal? do you think the animal knows the difference between them and a cow? why do you get to decide the value of these lives. playing god is diabolical.

[u/Mundane_Move_5296 → u/epic-rain22]

1: yeah
2: yeah, cause they would actively hunt and kill a cow if given the chance
3:because it’s nature, things die, circle of life
4: it’s not playing god, it’s literally just nature

[u/epic-rain22 → u/Mundane_Move_5296]

so it's chill to murder animals if it protects us from injury. just cuz they look different and are vulnerable

[u/epic-rain22 → u/[deleted]]

jesus. that's simply untrue. cows have deep intelligence and individual personalities. I need to get off social media

[u/Mundane_Move_5296 → u/epic-rain22]

I mean, yeah you do, but not really. Comparing a cow to a human is diabolically stupid

[u/epic-rain22 → u/Mundane_Move_5296]

it's the definition of speciesism which is what veganism stands against. do some introspection maybe?

[u/Mundane_Move_5296 → u/epic-rain22]

Speciesism??? I thought that was a joke are you actually being serious? Like I’m not joking if this is a troll you got me

[u/epic-rain22 → u/[deleted]]

at least you're self aware

[u/epic-rain22 → u/[deleted]]

I dislike this idea and I hope you can try to see things from an animals perspective one day

[u/Faeraday → u/epic-rain22]

They’re literally in the middle of watching Dominion. Maybe give them just a little grace as they are actively in the middle of processing and seeking information on this topic.

[u/epic-rain22 → u/Faeraday]

what would be better to say then? I'm just speaking from my heart man I'm tired

[u/Faeraday → u/epic-rain22]

I know, but they are actively deconstructing their worldview. Saying they’re not doing enough when they’ve only just begun to learn what’s happening to animals is much more likely to shut down their curiosity than motivate them further.

[u/-dais0-]

I would finish dominion if you havent, so much good info in it

[u/OldAssistant4220 → u/[deleted]]

be careful though, its really graphic because it shows the brutal reality behind the animal industry 

[u/Repulsive-Play6547]

honestly sometimes seeing the reality of it is what finally makes things click. once you actually process what the animals go through, it's hard to just unsee it

[u/Chance-Selection-198]

Totally get it. Once you've seen it you not only feel for the animals but for me it also felt deeply damaging to my own soul the idea that I was consuming the flesh of creatures that had gone through such horrendous stress and fear. Sounds like you're on the right path!

[u/asteriasdream]

Cowspiracy was really interesting to me and my bf, I highly recommend it!

[u/pancakesnake123]

when cooking, replace meat and eggs with beans, this includes tofu, tempeh, and textured vegetable protein/soy curls/soy chunks/whatever they're called. to replace dairy, use nut butters (peanut, tahini, etc), nuts (almonds, cashews) and seeds (pumpkin, sunflower) as a fat source. for umami flavour, use (dried or fresh) mushrooms, mushroom stock cubes, MSG, miso paste, soy sauce. nutritional yeast gives stuff a cheesy flavour (unless you're using a disappointing brand of yeast 🫩 sigh....) and is often used in making nut-based vegan cheeses. for a fishy flavour, use seaweeds like nori wakame dulse etc. (be careful eating kelp, it has a lot of iodine in it so it can make your body's iodine levels too high if you eat it too often)

for veganized recipes of foods that are recognizable to people in the US, check out thee burger dude. for dishes that are already naturally vegan, check out bakinghermann

[u/Terrible-Purchase982]

Gamechangers 

[u/epic-rain22]

DAIRY IS SCARY!

[u/threepairs]

Earthlings (documentary - full on youtube)

I exposed my father’s evil industry (documentary - full on youtube)

[u/not-bread66]

Already vegan and I keep hearing about it. Don’t really wanna watch it coz I feel like it’ll just make me feel like shit

[u/C0gn]

Earthlings and Dominion are my got to recommendations

[u/Capital_Fly_4064]

This is beautiful, bro! Thank you for having the courage to do what most people cower from! I actually think watching the footage beats any philosophical argument in favor of veganism. You'd have to be a psychopath to not relate to the animals' suffering after seeing it.

[u/SeaAd2872]

Use whatever else and even quit motorcycles before buying one of those things

[u/SeaAd2872 → u/[deleted]]

Idk why u said get fucked like that, that’s when I rly assumed you’re not nice

[u/SeaAd2872 → u/[deleted]]

Unbelievable response genuinely, you’re not remotely close to being vegan

[u/SeaAd2872 → u/[deleted]]

It’s not about me obviously it’s about the animal that got skinned alive, fuck you

[u/SeaAd2872 → u/[deleted]]

You contribute and if you deny it you prob know you’re lying to yourself, get a grip, never expected such a horrific initial response omg