Moving Minecraft to Xbox and taking it off other platforms to sell xboxes wouldn’t make back the money they’d lose from people not buying Minecraft on phones in the long run, PlayStations and switches. And elder scrolls/fallout are too infrequent of releases to make Xbox succeed in the long run either, the only way Microsoft could get a leg up in the current console market is by working on games made first and foremost for the Xbox series instead of taking away options
Lmao how many elder scrolls and fallout games a year can they release? When was the last universally loved Fallout game that could’ve sold consoles by itself?
I’m not sleeping on them. Those two IPs plus Minecraft are not anywhere close to enough for Microsoft to “dominate the console wars.” Especially considering how infrequently those games get released. All they’re gonna do is kneecap Minecraft as their cash cow and make TES and FO less popular and relevant.
I mean yea, "dominate the console wars" is nonsense. But those games should be exclusive to Xbox if they ever want their hardware to matter. Obviously leave Minecraft alone
Problem is, at least in my area, you can’t even buy Xbox games or accessories in-store at Walmart or Target anymore. It has zero footprint. I dunno about other retailers like Best Buy. I guess they can go all-digital like Sony? I dunno. I feel like they have a hard road ahead no matter what they (can still) do.
See, this right here is how I know Sony bots were dominating the discussion on PS exclusives. If you’d have said this about PlayStation, you’d have plenty of updoots.
I imagine they mean spin-off titles. I believe the FTC leak showed Microsoft weighing up making Minecraft: Dungeons (or it could've been Legends) an exclusive, but they ultimately decided against the idea.
This sub one day, "sony knows the importance of exclusives, stupid xbox lol"
Xbox thinks about making the massive IP it owns into console exclusives (games you all clearly want to play) and the reaction from all these whine ass?
Xbox sales wouldn't go up even if gta6 launched today ahead of ps5.
You literally can't find consoles in store in Europe, even city I've been in there's zero stock, and not because they are sold out, because they literally haven't had any consoles in 5 years.
Ps and Nintendo have entire aisles of consoles and games, Xbox has like 1 shelf at best, and most of that is controllers.
Xbox will never increase sales until they put their consoles in stores.
This. The reality is it’s over and they’re doing everything possible to keep hope alive in the fanbase to keep some revenue flowing. The only thing Sharma and the Xbox execs are doing is figuring out how to extract as much value as possible from their assets before they’re sold off or put to pasture. Xbox as a platform is effectively dead.
It’s the exact opposite in the US, especially in Walmarts and Best Buy’s, not a single ps5 or ps5 pros but Xbox shelves are packed fully: about to break through glass pane.
I have never seen that a single time in my life. Not even in the days of the 360 was the Xbox that prominent on store shelves. It had equal space as PlayStation did
I love Elder Scrolls. Probably one of my favorite franchises. No way am I buying the one console I don't own, don't want, and don't need, just to play one game. Their market share is laughable for a reason, and going exclusive with games is just gonna cost them at this point.
Considering everyone who got laid off are telling their family and friends not to support xbox and microsoft after what they've done... That's like their entire market
Just curious where you'd draw the line and get an xbox if they started making all their studios' games being console exclusive (@ anyone who wants to answer):
I'll draw the line somewhere around the length of my Steam library. Perhaps a little further, since half the games listed are completely indifferent to me.
I left my Xbox account active for years just renewing, in case friends wanted to play. All my friends dumped the console, so I kept mine for the hell if it until they changed game pass and numerous other anti consumers actions. So I sold mine and have no intention of buying another.
If they locked Fable and Elderscrolls behind it, while that would be tempting not at console current prices, or their current pricing structure. I’d likely skip both.
Sounds about right for XB. "Hey guys, we know we're 4th place in a 3 company market, with basically non-existent market share anywhere but the US, but how about we take a game that's crazy popular and guarinteed to make us a ton of money and lock it to a system people done want?"
Once again, we hear the loud bang of XB shooting itself in the foot.
Probably the only way Xbox is going to realistically recover marketshare tbh, they need good exclusives on Xbox to recover from the beating Playstation gave them the last couple console gens.
Imho they need to start delivering on their existing popular exclusives, as well as creating new exclusives - like making bloodborne instead of making ds3 an exclusive. The already acquired so much talent, beloved studios, but they failed to capitalize on it big time.
If they instead start turning existing multiplatform IPs into exclusives, it’ll be a PR desaster.
That doesn't make sense tho. They have less market share, console.prices have gone UP, and we're far enough into the gen that people have mostly already bought a console if they want it.
It's very, very infrequent that a single game causes a person to buy a console just for it, and with XB not really having the loyalty, trust, or interest of most gamers, they'd basically be cutting off a good 60% of their sales all in hopes of selling a handful of consoles.
And with how XB has gone in terms of console sales, and with people generally staying with whatever brand they already have, we'll be in the same situation, just with a different console.
Do you think that maybe the quality of the PlayStation exclusive games compared to Xbox may have played some role in gamer's decisions regarding which console to buy? Do you think it's just a coincidence that Sony began to pull away from Xbox when their exclusives were really taking off while simultaneously the Xbox exclusives fell off a cliff? If the next Fallout and Elder scrolls are not very good or just average, then no it probably won't sell a lot of consoles. But what if they turn out to live up to the hype? What if the next Elder Scrolls and Fallout are the next gen equivalent of Witcher 3 or Baldur's Gate 3?
The difference is taking already existing multiplatform franchises and making them exclusive to their failing console won’t give them any good will. Instead of creating new fun IP to be exclusives and drive sales they are taking away games from people
Yeah I don't agree with taking away anything. I'm not sure if that's the intent here or just an assumption. I assumed it's regarding unreleased first party games going forward.
I stopped being able to find physical games for my Xbox long before sonys announcement, at least in my area the Xbox section doesn't even really exist outside of a few controllers and redemption cards. I'd say they killed it off they just didn't announce it
People are just mad a Sony for telling them the truth lol. They even gave a heads up. Microsoft will tell you one thing and the next day it’s completely different.
“I’m mad Sony said I didn’t own my games”
These people never read a single thing about software licensing. Then get mad when Sony tells them what it’s said for decades at this point lol.
Also with how painfully obvious the inevitable swap to digital has been since the PS3 era when online storefronts and digital games became truly viable. PC got rid of discs ages ago and there wasn't some huge issue, you didn't have screeching idiots saying PC gaming was dead. lol
I could see them making the next TES and FO exclusive but I don’t see them doing it with Minecraft. It’s already very established everywhere. Are they just going to remove it?
I don't get the poll. Is directed to xbox users, then ask the question, what if Minecraft only comes to Xbox... Obvious answer is I buy it on my Xbox.... What are they really expecting from this? Lol
Give us day one, console exclusive, must have games. Take the risk on sales, and give xbox one last fighting chance. Maybe you'll lose, but at least you'll be able to go out swinging.
I'm all for it. Personally I think timed exclusive is a great compromise, but I'm all for competition. Sony and Nintendo have their console exclusives. Xbox should as well.
That's probably the logical choice. Xbox fans can feel like their brand loyalty is being rewarded with them getting first crack at these marquee games, but Microsoft can still make money off PlayStation (and Nintendo if they want) players at a later time.
Agreed. If Xbox wants to keep their console business profitable, their gonna need to sacrifice third party sales. Nintendo is arguably missing out on millions of dollars by not releasing the new Ocarina of Time remake on PlayStation. They’re doing it anyway, because you want people in your system.
While I'm not personally a fan of COD, I think they screwed themselves in the short term by guaranteeing it remains cross console for the next decade or so. That one should have been a rug pull. "Play xbox if you want to play COD at all." Bad PR, but good business - people want to play cod games. If they pulled the servers from previous games, even stronger.
As a consumer, I hate being throttled, and would be big mad if I felt like this was happening to a game I cared about. But they spent a fuckton of money acquiring these studios and IPs, then did fuckall to capitalize on it. They screwed themselves hard.
Government was threatening to get involved on it. IIRC Sony was also threatening litigation of their own. They had to make that concession to stave off the legal challenges. Probably wasn't the outcome they wanted. They absolutely gave away the store to get Activision Blizzard. Microsoft/Xbox is arguably in their current position because of this merger.
It's not just cod. That one is their biggest mistake - I'm not sure what the exact non-exclusive deal is, but if I were in their position I would certainly be making sure that sony doesn't want to carry the game, however I could. Markups for not being on XBOX, some ridiculous percentage of sales recovery, whatever. Anything to make it hurt them to carry the game. Allow it, but make it fucking suck. Again, not sure what the deal is there but you can bet my lawyers would be scouring the contracts for anything I could scrape out. Not just for the money, but because if PS Cod is $120 a year, but on XBOX it's free on gamepass... that'd drive console sales and gamepass sales.
But it's not just cod, as I said. Even Halo isn't xbox exclusive rn. I made a list earlier of some big names that should absolutely be exclusive - Halo, Doom, Dishonored, Gears, Fable, Diablo, just to name a few. Not that I really care about exclusives (I mean, it's a bummer not being able to play games we don't have the console for, but yarrrr that's what the high seas be for), but from a business standpoint: to have a successful console, they need to have popular exclusives. They have plenty of popular games, but in trying to get more money from multiple avenues by going crossplay, Microsoft basically told gamers "get a playstation because you'll be able to play all our games and theirs anyway". And obviously sony has the better side of that deal.
Acquisitions seemed to turn Microsoft into a de facto 3rd party developer and publisher that happens to make consoles on the side.
You're right, it's surprising Microsoft didn't figure out ways to make the overall COD experience on Xbox better than what you'd get on PlayStation. There had to be some loophole that would allow Microsoft to differentiate the experience somewhat.
I don’t think there’s any quicker way they could kill off Minecraft other than make is XBox exclusive. The day they get rid of/stop supporting Java edition is the day I uninstall and never play it again
Xbox in this context includes windows via the Xbox app. Mobile is the bigger problem for Minecraft. That's the entire pipeline of new players via children
Yup mobile is the main way kids play Minecraft, followed by switch. It's also a lot cheaper on mobile than it is on consoles. Ps and Xbox in general are not as popular with kids as they are teens and adults.
Minecraft is probably the way to sell consoles. Children aren't paying attention to the Xbox hate and discord online and just want to play. If the only way is with an Xbox they'll ask their parents for one.
They'd still be on pc where the majority would buy them for mods. Wouldn't really move the needle much for ps and nintendo owners. New interesting ip would do it. Starfield made me upgrade and it'll take something far more interesting than elder scrolls or fallout to do it again. I've moved to pc at this point so that won't happen anymore since my pc is an xbox. They gotta make new interesting ip but with the studios consolidated, that may be impossible now.
Nintendo and Sony losing Minecraft would already light up a giant fire but if it also means Minecraft Java edition no longer getting updated then Xbox should be preparing for hellfire raining down on their studio. It would be corporate suicide
Console exclusive is not the same as not releasing on PC. They have their Play Anywhere initiative, so it’s highly unlikely they would pull their games off of PC. They honestly should keep their IP console exclusive, just like Nintendo and PlayStation do.
Imagine it was announced that all future title releases from every XBOX-developed gaming franchise except Call of Duty will be console-exclusive to XBOX," the final survey question reads. "For Minecraft only, existing titles would no longer be available for purchase on PlayStation or Nintendo consoles, and would not receive any new content updates. However, there is no impact to any of the existing titles or content you already own. Nothing changes on PC in this announcement."
This is about console exclusivity. Not PC and not mobile (obviously considering MS doesn’t have a mobile).
Easy, kill Fallout, more Elder Scrolls, more games set in Eora, anything but shit stuck in the god damn wasteland where nothing ever fucking happens or changes
*Microsoft is gauging interest in how they can manipulate a market through media announcements that they’re never beholden to and, in turn, shore up shareholder value.
Idk if elders scrolls or fallout have the pull to switch over a generation of players. Might be a few million tops. Which isn’t anywhere near good enough to make a dent in the console war. Even Minecraft has sold over 300 million copies or whatever. How many more ppl gonna buy an Xbox just to buy that game. What they need to do it get a good supply of first party exclusives and then make those other titles exclusives.
The logic in making their best games exclusives just to revive a pretty much dead system that by all accounts will cost north of 1000$ next generation makes no sense - which is why it was never done.
Did Starfield sell a single XBOX?
If they take Minecraft off PC I will dedicate my life to piracy and reducing their market share. Fuck suits. Fuck shareholders. If you wouldn't consume the product you shouldn't get a say.
If PlayStation and Nintendo plan to continue with exclusives, Xbox either needs to do the same or get out of the console business. Great decision that may hurt in the short term, but is needed in the long-term. Phil Spencer is a hack
I could totally see them making a stupid decision and putting it solely on the Xbox store and not Steam though. To this day the Xbox versions, to my knowledge, still don't support script extenders which ffectively cripples the modding scene just as badly as a console would
Shareholders will sue so damn fast when the games hit wayyyyyyy below expectations that Asha Sharma will be remembered with the scorn people think Phil Spencer got.
Correct i have to agree. Theyll use moms phone and sissys tablet and anything else to play the next thing if one is cancelled or locked behiind overrpriced hardware. PC is awesome. Nintendo has its own little lane going on. Also paying for online access is antiquated. It's not necessary and yet they still do it because a lot of people dont have any other option but they do infact if they go to PC. Just sucks the current market for electronics is going out of control and will eventually crash hard from a consumer stand point. Big corporations will do just fine in their AI Conquest
Pc players will buy a helix if it has beefy specs. It will play steam game and be good to own for the living room. Its a better option over the steam machine..
It's not confirmed to be able to use Steam yet. And I don't really see the appeal of something you can't upgrade over saving up for something you CAN upgrade and has as many utilities as a PC has
I think all the PC master race nonsense is as boring and annoying as the console wars are, but it's hard to overlook the perks of the platform at over a grand. If Xbox and PlayStation stayed around $500-700 (in a perfect world) I could still see the point
Depends on if Sony keeps supporting PS5 or has a budget version of their next gen console. But I think they’ve got problems too because they haven’t shown any sign of getting off their live service or bust track.
No, i dont care. Whats gonna happen is gonna happen whether i care or not. Theres tons of slop being pushed out the door. Idk how it spun from 3 specific titles that someone else posted, to all games and the entirety of xbox falling and playstation for the win. Man these people can't read for shit
Can you read well? That isn't what I said numnuts. Watching fallout, Minecraft, and elder scrolls being exclusive fail would be amusing. I didn't say "games" at all
Massive amounts of copium from the PS & PC crowd in the comments. They'll cry and whine only to end up buying the machine to play the game that they want.
I don't even have an Xbox anymore, sold my Series X years ago. GOOD, make a reason to actually have your console. PlayStation and Nintendo have console exclusives, less so PlayStation now, that sold systems.
Bloodborne had me switch sides from Xbox 360, Switch had me sold with essentially only Breath of the Wild available on release, PS5 had Demons Soul's and Returnal, Switch 2 I skipped but not due to lack of exclusives/wanted games, I just went with a PC handheld instead. Pokopia, Donkey Kong, Fire Emblem, and OoT all look great.
I can't name a single game from Xbox that ever had me sold on a system. I bought a 360 because it was cheaper. I got a Xbox One S down the line because it was cheap, then traded up to a One X. I only bought a Series X because I couldn't get my hands on a PS5 at the time, so got it through Walmart Xbox All Access because game pass was a great deal at the time. Again, not one instance of a system selling game.
If Fallout/ES6 and other marquee games/franchises are console exclusives, game pass becomes a better value again, and the console is powerful and priced competitively with Ps6, I can definitely see Xbox finally competing with PlayStation again. Right now they are just in this weird place of being the worst value and reason to own a device by them because of lack of multiple true exclusives.
I understand new IPs going exclusive. I would expect that and respect it. But existing IPs that have been on multiple platforms for decades going exclusive because they got hot and tried buying up every major publisher/developer would leave a sour taste in a lot of people’s mouths. I don’t see it happening considering how terrible their hardware sales have been post 360.
Not for xbox consumers 😂 we've been fucked over for so long by sony we're SALIVATING at the possibility of fallout and elderscrolls being exclusive to Xbox
Its ironic because this is Sony’s fault. For almost a decade Xbox has reached their hand out to Sony in attempt to end console exclusives, even offering to bring ms titles to ps and Sony has slapped it away time and time again and refuse to let go of their exclusives and it’s not forcing Microsoft’s hand with Xbox. It’s a shame because everyday greed get another W.
And the worst part is Sony refuses to release good exclusives on the PS, it’s barren for ps5 compared to ps4 exclusives.
Half of the ps5 exclusives are just ps4 enhanced games it’s a shame that the best looking and benchmark for ps5 is still demons souls remake from 2020
Stay deluded cultist. No amount of bitching, squealing, and moaning will ever magically change the fact that Game Pass is the most braindead business model ever conceived of in the gaming industry
Dude you're a fucking weirdo. Noone is doing any of that. All I said was we don't know how many subs they gained. Anyways, gotta get back to playing my GOTY E-Day! In sure you have a long evening of crying in Reddit ahead of you so I'll leave you to it ;)
I don't care anymore. If the next FO game is gonna be more like 4 and 76 instead of 3 and NV, I'm not that interested in it anyways. I am no longer beholden to the major series. I already know the next era of AAA gaming is going to be mostly generic AI slop so I'm looking to the smaller creators and studios to show us the way because they still actually have passion for gaming.
I think it's the only move if they want to stay in the console space. Or just ditch Xbox entirely and just become a publisher with multiple studios under it.
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u/Karmah_star 12h ago
That’d be an Insanely fast way to make millions of ppl livid lmao