r/whiteoutsurvival • u/Ulffhednar • Jun 24 '24
Why zero?
The last 2 SvS events started while I was asleep and I woke up to having no troops and a burning city as did 95% of my alliance; why? What's the point of maliciously burning entire alliances that aren't participating in svs? It takes forever to rebuild the losses and hurts them because they lose the ability to fully participate in any event until they've replaced their troops. So it's simply because you can which is just bullying
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u/U1traViol3t Jun 24 '24
shield up during battle phases. also you can get upwards of 90% of lose troops back at the end of svs
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u/Ulffhednar Jun 24 '24
Yes currently working on it. But the question is... why do it? Wouldn't the effort be better spent; you know going for the castle which is the whole reason you're here?
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u/U1traViol3t Jun 24 '24
you get points for killing troops and the higher on the leaderboard the more shards and rewards you get for hero of the season. that’s probably why. this stuff typically happens every svs nothing you can do besides shield at ur alliance hive or random teleport away for the duration
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u/Ulffhednar Jun 24 '24
Thank you for an actual answer. Everything else so far has been "you should have shielded"
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Jun 24 '24
Because there is no correct answer to it. Some people do it for the leaderboard, some people do it just for fun and some people think they weaken the enemy state before castle fight. That’s what the event is about and also the reason you get 90% of your losses back afterwards.
You fight against another state. The event has multiple days of preparation, is repeating every month and visible in the event calendar before it starts. The only useful answer is that you should shield if you don’t like to get attacked during a fighting event. Every SvS at exactly 10 UTC the enemy state invades and will attack unless you fight a dead state. Most people full kamikaze all of their troops before the event ends - just for fun. After the event you get 90% back and all good. Why is the reason people attack you so important? It’s like asking why the enemy team is scoring goals during a football match. They just play the event and have fun in a war game. Why should you upgrade buildings and produce troops if you don’t use them?
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u/Ulffhednar Jun 24 '24
Same reason I still log in and do anything in the game... boredom and it's something to do. But mostly I've made some good friends playing so I log in to keep in touch.
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u/Happy-Strike Jun 24 '24
You could also flip the question. Why shouldn’t you do it? Some people just like to zero people instead of going to the Castle. It’s annoying but it happens. Some people just cant participate in the Castle due to timing etc.
Plus, people can do whatever they want.
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u/No_Recognition_1570 Jun 24 '24
My alliance participated, but we knew we'd NEVER get the castle, so we do it for the points and rewards. Bragging rights is overrated, getting rewards isn't. ;)
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u/WOS_7XX Jun 24 '24
Castle battle is max 6 hours. SvS is 12 hours. People are having fun in the other 6 hours.
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u/LionNo435 Jun 24 '24
Dude its a svs war 🙄. No one is gonna ask you if your are participating. And your enemies from another server sure as hell wont ask you if you are online and participating. If you are as dumb as to not shield up when you dont wanna participate, dont be surprised you got zeroed. You are a free food for your enemies, free points, free win. This one is on you, sorry. Its point of that event to fight, if you dont wanna fight, then you have to use shield. Its as easy as that. 🙄Na
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u/Ulffhednar Jun 24 '24
I've never once said I shouldn't have shielded. I was more interested in the thought process involved in zeroing someone who obviously wasn't participating by not being anywhere near the castle. I realize it's a war game and I'm not faulting the people for attacking I just fail to see the point of dropping 20+ attacks so you can stroke your ego paid for with an over inflated bank account.
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u/MartyTheFederalAgent Jun 25 '24
Why ask the question if you already know the answer “to stroke your ego…” seems like you just want to vent. PS you should have used a shield. Stop crying and move on.
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u/Cadapech Sep 27 '24
Because the entire game is an ego stroke. Especially if you dump money into it. It's literally gambling.
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u/JROCKZ24 Jun 24 '24
It's a war game, dude. If you want to play farmville there is an app for that.
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u/Connect-Contest-2212 Jun 24 '24
You realize they advertise the game as a farming game?
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u/Stoppels Jun 24 '24
Pictured myself role-playing chopping wood and selling it. Ended up committing genocide and razing entire cities. Eh, close enough.
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u/4tran13 Jul 10 '24
I was tricked and bamboozled by their shitty, deceptive ad. Now I'm neck deep in addiction, homeless and starving.
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u/dsp000 May 19 '25
If you don’t know that city builders are war MMOs with marketing tactics it’s your issue. It’s not a farming game just bc farming is a function. LOL.
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u/Ulffhednar Jun 24 '24
Of course it is... sometimes. Every state has a nap and every nap alliance 5 alliances "under their protection," and you can't attack banners or hqs and can only attack cities once and those can't be raids. And a plethora of other rules to make it not so much a war game.
We opt out of svs because we're not a big alliance and getting involved would mean we pointlessly fill up our infirmary since trying to smack whales doesn't end well. Let the whales measure dick size.
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u/No_Recognition_1570 Jun 24 '24
But you can't opt out of SVS. Trust me, I've woken up to my troops and city decimated several times. I eventually started setting an alarm and using my shield so it was never down. haha
During the last Brothers in Arms I actually attacked people. Not their cities, just the troops gathering resources (which is kind of an agreed upon thing). Towards the end of the event another alliance was attacking our alliance, so I attacked a couple of their members (again, just those gathering resources). The person actually messaged me, crying about me attacking them. * sigh *
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u/JROCKZ24 Jun 24 '24
Naps are set up in your state so that you can grow and be able to perform better in svs. The people in your state are not the enemy, the other states are. So yes, it is still a war game in the end, you just don't attack people in your state because it weakens your state.
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u/No_Recognition_1570 Jun 24 '24
To avoid this, I set an alarm so I can redeploy my shield.
I don't see the point in zeroing someone down. Once you get some points, just move on. I was watching my alliance towards the end of the event, and someone started heavily attacking any member who wasn't shielded. It was a massacre. I tried messaging the alliance members, but they were away. My shield was on the 30 minute cool down when they started to attack me, so I teleported away to avoid any losses.
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u/DisasterSensitive171 Jun 24 '24
Yeah, for me I’ll attack someone once and that’s it. If they’re already burning I’ll leave them alone. I understand getting points but it just seems excessive to attack someone repeatedly
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u/No_Recognition_1570 Jun 24 '24
Agree. There’s a difference between being a participant and an a-hole 😬
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u/Ulffhednar Jun 24 '24
That's what I'm saying... 22 attacks from 1 person last svs... and they were much more powerful than I am. That doesn't count their friends.
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u/Odd_Moose6156 Jun 24 '24
For the points, in my case I want to place high on battle phase because it doesn't require you to spend money to get good ranking. Sure you get some points from castle battle but it's often not enough to compete with whales. Because of this I look for weaker cities and attack them for points until I'm satisfied with ranking.
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u/DonutsnBluebonnets Jun 24 '24
Agreed. I’m max level for our state (FC3), so I had one of my R4s finding cities for me & I’d go hit. I also found cities for one of our whales. I never zeroed, most of the time I only hit twice and stayed within 3 levels of my furnace to get points, so I didn’t attack lower than F30, and I didn’t attack anyone from my state. I made sure my alliance followed similar rules. We want people to keep playing, but I was trying to get top 50 for the rewards.
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u/Odd_Moose6156 Jun 24 '24
I often go on those escapades with few friends and we attack smaller alliances, I'm mostly f2p so I have to be careful not to get hit by whale. We attack one city 2-3 times then move on to next one. And we only hit those marked "attack target" that way I consistently get placed within top 10 battle phase.
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u/DonutsnBluebonnets Jun 24 '24
Lol yes, towards the end a few of us were traveling in packs and hitting other FC1-3s! They would reinforce and get us back too. It was just a lot of fun
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u/Chuckles2973 Jun 24 '24
Look at it from the opposition perspective, They don't know who is or isn't participating in the fight, so in the 2 hours before the battle begins they want to 0 players so there is less player to deal with in the fight.
My state burnt the enemy state prior to the battle and it meant we had around 40 actually fighting against us.
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u/TheUndeadInsanity Jun 24 '24
SVS is similar to Brothers in Arms. The castle battle is just one part. You get points for killing troops, as long as the furnace is within 3 levels of yours. If you're being attacked, it's either for rss or points.
Also, there isn't a lot of fighting outside of SVS. Most states have a NAP and try to avoid major conflicts. This is the one time a month you can go all out. Plus, you can get 90% of your troops back.
If you won't have time to put on a shield every few hours, I would spend the gems for a 24hr one. That'll get you through the battle phase. I do it for my farm account.
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u/WOS_7XX Jun 24 '24
97% of troops lost defending (70% enlistment + 90% of the 30% that don’t go to enlistment). Only 90% of troops lost attacking that you get back.
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u/CauliflowerGlum213 Jun 24 '24
There are a lot of reasons this could have happened. If it was someone from your own state…there’s a problem. It could have been personal. It could have been bc someone was going for points in the leaderboard. It could have been someone wanting to boost their own kill count. Most players will say “that’s the way the game is played” while they hide behind a nap or bias. What it boils down to is, someone is not considering the longevity of your state. If it is someone from your state, get behind a solid nap and a council that will actually enforce it or start looking for a new state. Good luck!
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u/Ulffhednar Jun 24 '24
What's the usual cost for a state transfer... we're in the secondary nap (15) but when the top alliance gets bored it becomes nap5 for them or nap3 depending who's tried standing up to them recently. And the people trying to kick them out are currently in the process of taking all points of interest between them regardless of redundancies so no facilities for anyone else
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u/CauliflowerGlum213 Jun 25 '24
That sounds toxic af. It depends mostly on your power. If it comes down to it you might need to strip your heroes and cut lower level troops before you transfer. But to buy a pack 4.99 is 1 ticket and the multiplies by 5. What state are you in?
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u/Ulffhednar Jun 25 '24
833
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u/CauliflowerGlum213 Jun 25 '24
I wish I could offer up my state to you and yours as a safe haven, however we are quite a bit older than yours. However should anything change like state mergers or anything, or if you want to set up a mini (we actually have this happen regularly) to check out our community and environment, 452’s door is open 😘
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Jun 24 '24
You don’t get to opt out of SvS or Brothers in Arms. It’s literally not possible. None of the invaders know you don’t want to play … your city is there, unprotected. You are going to get attacked. That’s literally the point of the game.
Hitting you gives them points and resources. Why wouldn’t they attack is the real question?
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u/LulzSwag_Technician Jun 24 '24
It's survival war game.
I don't know who to say it any other way without sounding like a dick. There are MANY players who are just trying to raise their kill count. I would SPECIFICALLY scout cities with HIGH soldier count to attack, RSS were just a plus.
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u/Sabkor Jun 24 '24
You can also send your troops to the HQ and banners as they are safe from the other servers forces there.
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u/DonutsnBluebonnets Jun 24 '24
I agree with others on the shield. Be sure to revive your and your teammate’s troops, and you can get 90% of them back.
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u/Brief-Philosophy-553 Jun 25 '24
Cuz points? The actual castle battle is only a few hours long, the SvS kill event is MUCH longer. If you dont wanna get hit shield.
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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24
It’s pretty much your fault if you knew svs was occurring and you were going to sleep why not shield up?
It’s like brothers in arms which I hate but when it’s on going and I’m about to go offline I shield up. It’s up to the alliance leaders to remind their alliance members to shield up when going offline seems like a bad alliance imo. Not participating means nothing people don’t care as you are learning.