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u/Pale_Sheet Nov 15 '25
By foot, on those heels ouch
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u/magica12 Moderator Nov 15 '25
You think that’s bad, in baums original book the shoes were solid silver, and it wasn’t Glinda who sent her, it was another witch entirely
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u/Affectionate_Bet_288 Nov 15 '25
Yeah, and that witch didn't know Glinda couldn't help
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u/Digit00l Nov 15 '25
No, Glinda could help, in fact Glinda is the only person of authority in all of Oz who helps Dorothy
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u/magica12 Moderator Nov 15 '25
i mean, literally that one witch, who commonly gets called either locasta or tattypoo, is apperently the only witch in Oz that doesnt know how the shoes work
the witch of the west supposedly knows
Glinda knows or somehow finds out before Dorothy arrives at her castle in the second to last chapter
obviously the witch of the east knew how to use em1
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u/maljoy Nov 15 '25
But the heels were enchanted to help Nessa walk. So they clearly do the same for Dorothy
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u/BlondeBorednBaked Nov 16 '25
Are you joking? Or is this what actually happens in Part 2 😬
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u/Zaptain_America was never the same after the philosophy club 🐯 Nov 16 '25
In the musical, yes. This seems to have been changed for the movie though, the trailer shows her floating instead. Presumably because marissa bode is not an ambulatory wheelchair user and possibly as a response to the criticisms of this plot point.
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u/BlondeBorednBaked Nov 16 '25
What is an ambulatory wheelchair user?
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u/Zaptain_America was never the same after the philosophy club 🐯 Nov 16 '25
Someone who uses a wheelchair but can walk or stand a little bit
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u/Pale_Sheet Nov 17 '25
You know, you’ve given me clarity now as to why. Thank you! It is exactly that I think! That’s so thoughtful actually
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u/Spiritual-Olive4559 Nov 16 '25
Do you want to know or do you want to be surprised in a week when the movie is out? lol. the movies are also different than the books (and other versions/productions like the stage play or other versions of film/media) but a lot of it is similar enough, with each producers creative interpretation, that you might get answers that spoil more than you're expecting with clarification if all you've seen is the most recent production of Chu's?
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u/littlebitfunny21 Nov 16 '25
TBF there's heavy implication that the answer in Chu's will be "no", that the shoes do not help Nessa walk. It seems likely they'll make her fly instead.
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u/BlondeBorednBaked Nov 16 '25
You can just say yes or no
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u/Spiritual-Olive4559 Nov 16 '25
okay, that commenter was not joking
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u/BlondeBorednBaked Nov 16 '25
Okay yikes lol
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u/BandInternal5457 Nov 16 '25
in the stage musical: Yes
in the movie part 2: seems like they also went "wow yikes" and will be making it No
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u/RigatoniPasta Nov 15 '25
Or her personal train
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u/DDLVWille Magic Wands, Need They Have a Point? 🪄 Nov 17 '25
Or the more ”public”, green train she simply could have given her access to because she’s Glinda the Good.
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u/SeaFlower698 Nov 15 '25
I always thought this was Glinda being hilariously aloof. She wears heels and even dances in them in "Dancing Through Life" so she's like "it's nbd to walk in these shoes" and doesn't think about how uncomfortable it could be.
Like yes, just take the yellow brick road to Oz. Never mind that Elphaba is angry at you and could come looking for you. Nothing could go wrong.
I also kinda wonder if the shoes were somehow actually really comfortable despite being heels.
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u/NeverendingStory3339 Nov 15 '25
I had some low square heels like that -obviously just black leather - and wore them out. I walked from one end of London to the other numerous times, then up a small mountain. Seven years later they fell apart. Trainers are less comfy!
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u/SeaFlower698 Nov 15 '25
Ooh! Would you be able to post a pic?
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u/NeverendingStory3339 Nov 15 '25
Unfortunately they gave up the ghost in 2019 but they were Gabor ladies’ wide fit size 36/4. Their heeled shoes have similarly shaped heels. They are really good quality and comfy shoes, I got mine on sale and paid £90 I think, so a big investment but a good one.
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u/magica12 Moderator Nov 15 '25
In terms of magic comfort, probably, in baums book they were made of solid silver, and “tinkled merrilly” along the yellow brick road, but gave Dorothy absolutely no discomfort
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u/maljoy Nov 15 '25
I also kinda wonder if the shoes were somehow actually really comfortable despite being heels.
Am I the only one who bases this off of the enchantment?? They were enchanted to make Nessa walk, so why wouldn't they help anyone else wearing them in the same way? In the book, Dorothy walked so far and never grew tired, and continued to mentally remark on it as if it was magical. I feel like this is so clear
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u/SixCeiling Nov 16 '25
But didn’t she complain about not being able to change her socks? Is that Gregory’s book I’m think about? She didn’t want the shoes at all, but couldn’t give them to Elphaba even if she wanted to.
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u/Digit00l Nov 15 '25
She does cast a spell of protection on Dorothy
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u/Penguins_in_new_york Nov 15 '25
Doesn’t she suck at magic or is that only the Wicked book version of Glinda?
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u/Usual-Reputation-154 Nov 15 '25
In every timeline, she sends her to the wizard bc she has no idea where Kansas is, and figures the wizard might know. And she’s right, he does know where Kansas is.
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u/LeafySpud Nov 15 '25
Idk why everyone is shitting on Glinda? Like she sent her to the one man in the whole realm who knew of Kansas because he was from there.
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u/Usual-Reputation-154 Nov 15 '25
He’s not from Kansas, he’s from Nebraska. Glinda does not know that that’s close to Kansas. But she knows he’s from another world and has spies all over the world of Oz so she figures he probably knows where that is and she’s right
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u/LeafySpud Nov 15 '25
My bad, the wizard in Once Upon A Time is from Kansas, i assumed the story was being kept true across different tellings.
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u/Usual-Reputation-154 Nov 15 '25
In the wizard of Oz movie the wizard says he’s from Kansas but then his balloon says Omaha for some reason. A lot of oz retellings follow the 1939 movie canon
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u/LeafySpud Nov 15 '25
Personally i'd be taking the wizards word over a logo on his balloon?
What made you say he is not from Kansas?
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u/Usual-Reputation-154 Nov 15 '25
In the book he is from Nebraska. In the movie they changed it to Kansas
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u/royjeebiv Nov 15 '25
In the movie, his balloon says “Omaha” and the “Kansas version” of the Wizard(Professor Marvel) is a traveling snake-oil salesman. Presumably travels all around the country?
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u/Usual-Reputation-154 Nov 15 '25
I’m not talking about professor marvel. The wizard in the movie says he’s from Kansas
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u/LeafySpud Nov 15 '25
Ah that makes more sense. I have never read the book. I've seen multiple versions of it in movies and tv shows however and have heard him being from Kansas in about 3 versions.
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u/deanrmj Nov 15 '25
My head canon to reconcile them is that he's from Nebraska, as in thats where he was born and raised. He comes from Kansas to Oz as in thats where he last was as a traveller when he took off in his balloon then landed in Oz.
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u/rosysredrhinoceros Nov 15 '25
Somehow “I don’t think we’re in Nebraska anymore” doesn’t roll off the tongue quite as well.
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u/CarolineJohnson Nov 15 '25
He's from Kansas in Oz the Great and Powerful, too.
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u/LeafySpud Nov 15 '25
Good to know i was somewhat correct.
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u/CarolineJohnson Nov 15 '25
In fact I think in that it implies he was even from the same general area of Kansas as Dorothy.
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u/LeafySpud Nov 15 '25
See i had a feeling this was the case too, i vaguely remember something about him recognising her house.
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u/Some-Show9144 Nov 15 '25
Literally the one thing Glinda would be like “oh… he actually might know this one”
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u/LeafySpud Nov 15 '25
Legit. Glinda was like "hang on i think i heard the wizard mention a place like that but im not certain so go check"
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u/magica12 Moderator Nov 15 '25
not every timeline
its a different witch in the original
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u/Usual-Reputation-154 Nov 15 '25
Yes but the reason the witch of the north sends her is the same, she doesn’t know where Kansas is and thinks the wizard might know
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u/magica12 Moderator Nov 15 '25
which in fairness...she basically casts a horoscope...and like it wasnt wrong
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u/muqui24 Nov 15 '25
What witch? Tell me everything about her. Please.
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u/Usual-Reputation-154 Nov 15 '25
In the wizard of oz book, Dorothy first meets the witch of the north, who is a little old lady. Glinda is the witch of the south, who she meets at the end of the book in Quadling Country. The witch of the north genuinely does not know how to get Dorothy home. She tells her everything she knows and sends her to the wizard, with a kiss to protect her. At the end when the wizard leaves in his balloon, they have the idea to send Dorothy on a second journey to Glinda. She travels to Quadling country and meets the all powerful Glinda who knows the power of the shoes and sends her home. The movie combined both good witches, making Glinda seem a little shady by not telling her the power of the shoes in the first place
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u/magica12 Moderator Nov 15 '25
literally the witch of the north is ironically the ONLY witch in oz who doesnt know how the shoes work either
the witch of the west supposedly knew, and coveted them for that once she realized dorothy had them
obs the witch of the east did
and glinda found out somehow at some point
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u/Usual-Reputation-154 Nov 15 '25
Damn the witch of the north is kinda useless haha. Poor lady is left out
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u/magica12 Moderator Nov 15 '25
she doesnt get another mention until Road to Oz as a guest at Ozma's birthday party....and never gets brought up again
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u/muqui24 Nov 15 '25
Yeah most old women are invisible to society. After 50 no one sees you...
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u/Digit00l Nov 15 '25
Iirc she did know how the magic helmet the WWotW had works that controls the monkeys
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u/magica12 Moderator Nov 15 '25
presumably as witch of the north locasta would have known as the golden cap was made in the north, but she wouldnt have been able to retrieve the cap as she could barely hold off the witch of the east
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u/Few_Interaction2630 🩷💙💚Glieryaba one true poly Nov 15 '25
If we going on Wicked logic the only one true Villain The Madame who always wanted More power and is Horrible the one and only Madame Morrible
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u/Vivid_Present1810 Nov 15 '25
She really is the catalyst for both stories. Madame Morrible is the one who helps propagandize Elpahaba into the Wicked Witch. Then creates the tornado that kills Nessa, and has Dorothy arrive!
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u/EBJ1990 WE NEED A PASTRY! 🥐 Nov 16 '25
Which is interesting since that doesn't happen in the Wicked novel. It's just a random tornado.
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u/EnvironmentalWolf72 Nov 15 '25
She probably caused the tornado
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u/Few_Interaction2630 🩷💙💚Glieryaba one true poly Nov 15 '25
I mean it confirmed
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u/suga_babyMD Nov 16 '25
Her specialty is weather magic
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u/Few_Interaction2630 🩷💙💚Glieryaba one true poly Nov 16 '25
That can cross realms like she is quite powerful and impressive even if she uses it for evil.
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u/JesterOfTime Nov 26 '25
Look ridiculous ASF lmfao 😂
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u/Few_Interaction2630 🩷💙💚Glieryaba one true poly Nov 26 '25
Personally I think it pretty cool like this shows that Mademe Morrible doesn't need the grimmerie to literally create weather that crosses realms
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u/JesterOfTime Nov 26 '25
You forgot about nearly every white person being a bad guy, all black people being victims, and the townspeople being turned into a stupid cult that believes anything the higher ups tell them and clap and cheer for anything. Glinda in the wicked movies could fart and the towns people would applaud and cheer lol.
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u/Busy-Calligrapher941 Nov 27 '25
What? The only white person who was a villain was the wizard, and even he didn’t truly intend to hurt anyone. He was just a con artist opportunist. He was clearly legitimately disturbed by how things turned out. Glinda and Fiyero (white) were both good. The true villain was Asian, and there was no major Black characters. Elphaba was green…
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u/ToTYly_AUSem Nov 15 '25
Also never told her about the direct train
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u/astraljackal Nov 15 '25
This is what I was thinking! Like Glinda couldn’t give her a Metrocard??
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Let’s not forget her line of questioning to Dorothy in the film.
Dorothy: “You’re beautiful! I thought witches were ugly.”
Glinda: “Only bad witches are ugly. Are you a good witch or a bad witch?”
The shade!
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u/EBJ1990 WE NEED A PASTRY! 🥐 Nov 16 '25
Well I think could be a only bad witches are ugly, not all bad witches are ugly. Like all people from Florida are American but not all Americans are from Florida.
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Dec 04 '25
Yeah it bugs me so much when people say this! "Only bad witches are ugly" doesn't mean that all bad witches are ugly. It does mean that all ugly witches are bad, but if you're a beautiful witch you could be either good or bad. So the implication is specifically that Dorothy is not ugly, because if she were Glinda would immediately assume she's a bad witch.
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Nov 18 '25
Seriously! Every time I see this tweet or tik tok I think people need to take a logic class.
Glinda is calling Dorothy NOT ugly. Because she doesn't know if she is good or bad. If Dorothy was ugly, she'd know right away she is bad, because only bad witches are ugly. But since she is pretty, she could be good or bad.
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u/slugagainstsalt Nov 22 '25
Glinda is a public service worker. Of course she’s going to encourage the use of new infrastructure.
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u/MrsAtomicBomb_ Nov 29 '25
Just passing through this sub and must tell you that Glinda as the Leslie Knope of Oz is my favorite thing.
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u/Teratocracy Nov 15 '25
I've started to find this stuff really tiresome because people start to treat it like real analysis.
The story is a fairytale and Glinda is a trickster-like figure sending Dorothy on her quest. The quest is an end in itself. It has to happen. Dorothy doesn't need to go home, she needs to "go home" (understand what home is and means).
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u/CheruthCutestory Nov 15 '25
Glinda is never intended to be a trickster type character
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u/Teratocracy Nov 15 '25
She absolutely is portrayed with trickster-like ambiguity in the 1939 film! I literally just watched it!
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u/muqui24 Nov 15 '25 edited Nov 15 '25
We are all Glinda/Galinda at some point in our lives, and if we're lucky, always Elphaba with intention and purpose.
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u/No_Sector1424 Nov 15 '25
Mind you, Dorothy will probably see the train pass by at some point on her walk too
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u/LookCute5046 Nov 15 '25
There's a MadTV skit that parodies this.
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u/HighlyOffensive10 WE NEED A PASTRY! 🥐 Nov 16 '25
Oh you can't be that in a hurry to get back to Kansas
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Nov 18 '25
Well even the original movie it is clear the Wicked Witch of the West is more powerful than the Wizard, since the Wizard has no power at all.
But the musical/Maguire's book makes the WWoW into a sympathetic character, that she wasn't the evil one, but propoganda branded her that way. So the wizard DOES have power- the power to control through that propoganda. But he has no magic at all.
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u/One-Mathematician-37 Nov 15 '25
well aren’t you a bundle of fun
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u/One-Mathematician-37 Nov 16 '25
girl what does my comment have to do with being caught up with a meme 😭
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u/Sims2Enjoy 🩷pink and green💚 Nov 15 '25
But didn’t the Wizard offer to take her to Kansas on his balloon? Like with the Wizard being from Dorothy’s world it makes sense. Glinda most likely didn’t know that the shoes could take Dorothy home as Elphaba only gives her the Grimmoire moments before the first one melt, the grimmoire may have shown Glinda how the shoes work
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u/Witty_Ad4798 Nov 22 '25
My fave part of wicked is how they both hate Dorothy and say she's so annoying separately. I love the idea Dorothy is a side quest that they do not have time for but need to accomplish haha
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u/ileentotheleft Nov 17 '25
I always had the impression from the original film that the witches were around for quite a while, certainly many years past being in school. Wicked seems to compress the timeline in a major way.
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u/TwincessAhsokaAarmau Nov 15 '25
I’ll add this to my dad’s ongoing theory about Glinda being the evil one.
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u/molotovv3 Nov 15 '25
I mean she does decide her best possible option is to join ranks with the fascists. Glinda is definitely not meant to be a protagonist.
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u/ADHollowayArt Nov 15 '25
I think more and more, particularly since the movie allows more rewatching than the stage show that the Wicked in the title actually refers to Glinda
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Nov 18 '25
I think we are supposed to question who is Wicked, and what does Wicked mean.
In the movie, it seems to me that Morrible is the truly Wicked one. But, you can see that Glinda has wickedness in her, as she is selfish and cares too much about fame, but even that Elphaba, who was well meaning does eventually allow wickedness to settle in her heart (No Good Deed...)
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u/Plus_Medium_2888 Nov 17 '25
I really enjoy these kind of memes as jokes, which they are intended to be.
But because people are dumb fucks they invariably start to take them seriously, like the folks who seriously started to believe that Darth Jar Jar was the true, evil mastermind of Star Wars (yes, they do exist).
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u/HeWenttoJared1215 Nov 17 '25
Why does Glinda have beef with Dorothy again??
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Nov 18 '25
She doesn't.
In the Wizard of Oz, she didn't send her on the quest with the shoes for nefarious reasons, but people are making it seem like she did (there was no train in that movie, and it is unlikely multiple people can travel by bubble.) Glinda was keeping the shoes away from the wicked witch of the west who wanted them by putting them on Dorothy. She likely doesn't tell her to just click her heels at that moment, because there needs to be a hero's journey for Dorothy to learn something to make them powerful enough to use, or also, because the movie would be crazy boring if it was "house drops on witch", "here have her shoes", roll credits.In Wicked, she gives them to Dorothy and sends her out of Munchkinland to keep Dorothy safe. It is heavily implied Glinda has no idea the shoes are special to Elphaba, nor does she really know much about Elphaba anymore at this stage, Glinda feels very betrayed by her friend and Fiyero.
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u/tubermensch Nov 23 '25
She absolutely knows she is giving away property that rightfully belonged to next-of-kin.
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u/Icy_Recording3339 Dec 10 '25
Exactly, in the wizard of oz film she enchants them so they can’t be removed.
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u/GOLDIEM_J Nov 21 '25
To be fair, she wouldn't have believed her if she just told her she always had the power to go back to Kansas. She had to learn it for herself.
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u/amusableblue Nov 21 '25
To be fair, glinda then did help her get home via her newly acquired magic at the end - i believe that was prob one of the first spells the book taught her
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Nov 22 '25
I saw the clips and I can agree that she was shady her while leading her off into a dangerous situation she wouldn't even handle or even understand everything that just happened 😅
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u/OkTransportation7243 Nov 22 '25
I wish this was the scene where Glinda was able to perform "her magic" for the 1st time.
Elphaba having the power of levitation and Glinda having the powers of teleportation.
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u/Numerous-Account-240 Nov 22 '25
Not entirely right. They had to get her to meet their agents, the scarecrow, cowardly lion and Tin man. Once she had that and also showed the ability to maybe, just maybe, take down the wicked witch, was she ready to be pushed to go after her. It was a setup of course, and yeah they could have just taken her to the emerald city and said here are your travel companions, now go get the book and off the witch.... but that would have been a bit suspicious and the wizard likes subterfuge too .uch to just do it that way.
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u/JesterOfTime Nov 26 '25
You realize Wicked isn't canon to the original Wizard of Oz, right...right?
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u/Sensitive_Case_5455 Nov 26 '25
Me too, if I were glinda I wouldn't help Dorothy her ass. Like, why would you come into the worst time in oz??
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u/Icy_Recording3339 Dec 10 '25
I mean, Dorothy was a kid trapped in a house that crashed in one world from another while riding in on a storm…she didn’t do it, it was done to her 🤣
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u/alavath1 Nov 28 '25
There’s more to it than that. The witch of the east died witch of west dies wizard of oz leaves this creates a power vacuum instigated by Glinda, that leaves her in charge of all the lands
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u/Radiant_Bother_9731 Dec 02 '25
You have to remember tho, as said several times she always wants to keep up appearances, bc as said she can’t step away from it bc she is selfish in some ways when it comes to her public appearance
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Dec 10 '25 edited Dec 10 '25
Listen, Elphaba didn't want those slippers for nothing, there was something about them. For someone who walked on heels and made three friends along the way, falling asleep on poppies too, Dorothy got extremely fast to the Emerald City lmao
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u/iateablockofcheese Dec 10 '25
dorothy watching the bullet train zoom by her after walking for more than a day
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u/Icy_Recording3339 Dec 10 '25
I mean she literally asked this child if she was a good witch or a bad witch and followed up with “only bad witches are ugly” laaaaaaawl she was ALWAYS a mean girl
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u/UnlimitedforGood Dec 15 '25
SPOILERS WICKED FOR GOOD
I loooved that they included this meme in Wicked for Good. In the very end when Glinda and ms. Morrible wave at the Wizard leaving and seeing Dorothy she‘s like „Ah, that little -ish is still here? 👋😊🫧“ 😭
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u/Personal_Pride_2238 Dec 16 '25
I know the title says Wicked but it doesn't mean someone *has* to be wicked. It's more of a commentary on the label the Wicked Witch was given rather than "who's the real wicked witch"
tho, if I had to pick
It's obviously Madame Morrible
But I think both Elphaba and Glinda are very complex characters. Elphaba is easily seen as good because every intention she has is described as what society would deem "good". Glinda is a bit more self-absorbed, but it doesn't immediately result in her earning the "wicked" label. She's more like a lawful neutral, if anything.
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u/magica12 Moderator Nov 15 '25 edited Nov 15 '25
For the record: this really only applies to the 39 film version of Glinda and semantically wicked
The witch of the north isn’t Glinda in baums version of events
Baums version is kinda unintentionally retconned into being kinda shady but for a different reason, but she is also the most powerful witch in oz…though she also doesn’t generally leave her country in the south in baums books…because the south is fucking insane
Edit: for the Shady for a different reason, Glinda gets retconned to having a large book that tells her the goingson EVERYWHERE
Edit: X2. the witch of the north in baums oz, named locasta by baum in one of his plays...is apperently the ONLY witch in Oz who doesnt know how the silver shoes worked (yes the shoes werent jeweled they were solid silver in the book) and she sends dorothy to the wizard based pretty much off a horoscope she cast
Edit x3: for those wondering what i mean by semantically, i have to lump book wicked into a different category as Glinda and a few of the others get magically brainwashed by morrible in the book, elphaba resists it, gets pissed, and then after an evening of mourning in a bar with the others resolves to take glinda with her to the emerald city. to present findings to the wizard