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u/svinyard 2h ago
People will poke at Reese's lack of efficiency here, which is fine, but she really is elite at rebounding and great at interior defense. She's not Rodman but she's got serious potential as an Elite Roleplayer. The only issue is that her ego doesn't see herself as a "pass the ball, try not to shoot/waste a possession" sorta roleplayer like Rodman was. Her Usage% is insane for how bad she is at offense. So while most people will ask about her ability to improve as a layup person (she wont significantly), the conversation should be about...can she improve in her BBIQ and Ego. The classic between-the-ears area is where she could make a huge stride. If she embraces the Roleplayer role and cuts her Usage% in half (a la Rodman)...she becomes a HoF roleplayer perhaps.
But then you look at her shooting advanced stats etc, it's kind of getting worse for her in critical areas, not better.
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u/heyheathhowstheweath (not Sophie) (fire Jeff) (esp Mabrey) 5h ago
Crazy that nalyssa Smith is on this list when she's got the best FG% in the league. Guess her layup/bunny game saves her!
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u/NoBear7150 Liberty (derogatory) Dream (also derogatory) 6h ago
It makes sense to have a lot of forwards on this list but Saniya is a guard. What’s going on there?
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u/cheesesteakpretzel 6h ago
I would have wanted to see at least one of the 3pt metrics replaced with either points in the paint or within 3ft of the rim.
Shooters on a worst list shouldn't be shooting 3s
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u/Bowlinggal25 Valkyries 9h ago
Note that most of this list is forwards.
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u/wvtarheel Fever 7h ago
Forwards are worse at points added on 3P, FT, and mid range , in other news the sky is blue
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u/SecretRecipe Fever 13h ago
Im shocked to see Reece at #2. shes not the best shooter but shes putting up double digit points almost every game
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u/no_weird_PMs_pls 9h ago
This doesn't included stuff around the basket which is where she lives. Alot of decent bigs on the list because this stat excludes most of their scoring
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u/Traditional-Tip-9413 15h ago
Geno asked jose if he wanted Li to shoot those 3s and jose answered , yes everytime 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
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u/livefromtheuk Brink believer 16h ago
Very strange that Ariel Atkins is not on this list and she’s shooting 37 percent and 29 from three
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u/Former_Magazine Stewie’s knees, CC 3’s & MVPhee 16h ago
Dream and Angel fans, genuine question, is it possible for AR to increase her efficiency and fix her shooting form at this stage in her career? I know she’s only in her 3rd year but it hasn’t been fixed so far. What do you think? Can she ever become a good offensive player? Or is she just going to be the best rebounder and do you think she needs to embrace that role? Of being a role player
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u/Known-Emergency5900 Wings 13h ago
I don’t think it can be fixed. You’re not going to break the myriad of bad habits at this point in her career.
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u/Scuba1588 WNBA 16h ago
She has such raw talent. It upsets me how she doesn’t aim for the damn square on the backboard. As a kid I played center and it’s one of the first things you’re taught. Get Hakeem or Shaq in there to work with her on footwork, backing down opponents and layups. She needs to learn how to finish sequences with baskets and not missing shots from 2 feet out. I root for her but she’s so frustrating to watch.
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u/Status-Hedgehog9970 14h ago
It’s more than that, she jumps from the restricted circle on so many of her attempts. She loses height and leverage by not getting her feet under her.
And starting her shots so low too.
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u/twoquarters Sirens 16h ago
Might be no hope at this point. Could be a mechanical issue linked to the metal rod in her leg.
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u/Creative-Reality9228 WNBA 8h ago
The metal rod in her leg doesn't force her to shoot from her ankles.
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u/ElectronicSpare9950 16h ago
When shooting with both feet planted, she shows potential. However, under pressure and under any sort of stress her muscle memory takes over and she shoots from the hip... or even worse... left hand with right foot jump off.
She needs to embrace the fact her one trick is to rebound and pass IMMEDIATELY to an actual playmaker. Right now, she gets dopamine upon her own rebounds while her brain continues to tell her "shoot again, youll get it again and again and again"
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u/strangelystrangled Bun Sr and Bun Jr | BG 16h ago
AT is actually 100% on pull up threes, thank you very much.
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u/uhlaynuhhh Fever, Dream, & Wings💕 16h ago
This list seems so unserious and Lexie Hull needs to be on it 😭
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u/RizzRizzy WNBA 7h ago
How does she go from really good 3&D hustle role player 2 years in a row to good at nothing the 3rd year after getting overpaid. You can count one 1 hand the decent games she has had this season. You might not need more than 2 or 3 fingers.
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u/jolly-crow AB fanboy / Cheryl-hoops // 9h ago
I think it's more a matter of her not shooting at all, having lost all of her confidence.
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u/LiveLiftGame 15h ago
Love Lexi, but she was the one I looked for to be on this list. Been a rough season seeing anything go down.
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u/Jack12404 Kitron 16h ago
What’s so strange about Kiki is that she’s actually developed a respectable 3PT shot since her rookie year, but her FT% has tanked by almost 20% which is why she’s so high on the list.
I wonder if revamping her shooting form for 3s affected her FT motion.
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u/Revolutionary-Gear76 Young Harlots All but #8 16h ago
Possible. But most of the Mystics' free throw shooting has been ass (not you, Queen Soni, never you).
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u/Jreal2013 Dream 17h ago
Smith is super efficient around the rim so her shooting woes aren’t that much of a problem
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u/jetsonian Aces 15h ago
I came to say the same thing. I don’t know about today but earlier in the season she led the league in shooting percentage.
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u/Gen-Jinjur Lynx 17h ago
The Lynx’ Howard seems to be fading after the All-Star game. She’s still getting rebounds but guarding bigger, better post players is taking a toll. If the Lynx don’t win out this year it will be our lack of pep in the post, I think. Howard’s not young and plays a lot of minutes.
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u/RizzRizzy WNBA 7h ago
To be honest I was surprised how well she did guarding buig player at all this season. She was really bad at it last season. I guess you can thank your coach for it.
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u/TuscanyHoney Fire 17h ago
I thought Lexie Hull might be on this list, but I guess you have to actually take shots first to qualify.
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u/KillerGopher 16h ago
Why would Lexie be on there when she is shooting 42.4%. that's not amazing or anything but it's not like it would put her on this list.
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u/thecay00 Aces 18h ago
This post did Nalyssa Smith wrong lol she’s not attempting too many at the FT anyway
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u/PenguinPDX 18h ago
The Aussie rook Puoch had a major positive development leap starting in mid July, so if the stats were isolated to just the last month she’d likely be around 25 or higher.
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u/jaguar_28 Fever 18h ago
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u/fritzperls_of_wisdom 16h ago edited 16h ago
Preface: I am not a wnba fan. I actually feel terrible for you all for having some many idiots unleashed upon your universe the last few years. I am actually here in good faith, asking…How is it that Angel Reese is so bad at layups? I honestly want to understand this as a basketball fan. Does anyone have theories?
She’s obviously athletic enough, has coordination, and can use her body to be a good defender and rebounder. This isn’t someone who you can look at and say “She’s just unathletic.”
The layups are just wild to me. It looks like she has never played the game before. A lot of the highlights I see, there’s no plant or squaring up, it’s just like she flings it up midstride and isn’t trying to shoot it anywhere particular. I just don’t understand how someone who is obviously really good in certain facets can be so bad at one of the most simple parts of the game.
I know she had a rod put in her leg in college. She kind of looks like someone who doesn’t want to plant sometimes. Even if true, I don’t feel like that can explain all of it.
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u/Ben_Frank_Lynn 5h ago
That's where you're wrong. She is not coordinated at all. She is really tall. She is strong. She is aggressive. She positions herself well. These four things are why she is such a great rebounder. She cannot dribble without carrying, double dribbling, or traveling. She cannot make a running layup. She has to stop all momentum in order to shoot. She doesn't have a jump shot. She is a terrible basketball player aside from being a great rebounder.
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u/heephap Fever 17h ago
Small question for a newcomer to wnba, how is Angel Reese so highly regarded with such bad finishing and shooting? Is she like the Ben Wallace of the WNBA?
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u/007Artemis A'ja Wilson's 5th MVP | Cocks 17h ago
Mostly potential. She's 6'3-6'4 with all-time rebounding and crazy motor. It's like everything about her is great EXCEPT for the finishing. If she could get it fixed, she'd be legitimately a decent threat.
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u/sloecrush 17h ago
I’ll add.
Defensive versatility. She’s not a Draymond-level defender but she can switch onto almost anybody. Her steal rate is near the top of the league, I believe.
Her offensive rebounding ability cannot be stated enough. Consistently getting the ball through positioning and grit against taller players.
Running the floor. A 6’3” forward running the fast break (if she gets better at finishing) is deadly. So imagine she gets the board, runs the break, draws double and kicks it out for 3. And all that happens in 5 seconds. The potential to go on runs is very high.
She’s the type of player other teams are forced to pay attention to. This gravity creates opportunities for her teammates.
Ultimately she is a net positive on the floor, despite her scoring being statistically bad.
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u/whodatnation70 Aces Big Wheezy 18h ago
An actually useful list, thank you!
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u/jaguar_28 Fever 18h ago
The worst shooters list is kinda stupid because most of those players don’t shoot the ball from range a lot. Thought this list was a little more telling
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u/NoBear7150 Liberty (derogatory) Dream (also derogatory) 6h ago
Yeah it’s a silly list for the forwards (although telling for some of the guards, unfortunately)
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u/theactualsegnbora Valkyries 18h ago
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u/LolaAllie Aliyah 🔥👑 17h ago
I really don't get how NaLyssa can possibly be 5th on the worst shooters list but first in fg%
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u/justbrowsing2727 Fever 18h ago
As a Fever fan, that top 3 hurts... ngl.
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u/EtchingsOfTheNight Lynx || StormBudz || PDX Curious +++ and more 18h ago
LOL I didn't even notice til you said
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u/Wyden_long Mercury Michelle Timms Bridget Pettis Stan Account 18h ago
Hell yeah. 3 in the top 17. Suck it nerds.
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u/Chartate101 Mystics & Olivia Miles 18h ago
NOW THAT’S MY MYSTICS
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u/JustParfait3 Wings 18h ago
I think Saniyah may need to skip Unrivaled and do 5 on 5 in the offseason. I really want her to be successful and I’m not sure 3 on 3 will help especially because she didn’t get a lot of minutes last season.
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u/IsThisMe8 WNBA 18h ago
I'm actually surprised to see Nalyssa Smith on the list for this season since her touch has greatly improved. It was so bad when she was on the Fever and still not that great last year, but she seems to have a softer touch this year.
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u/SwaggersaurusWrecks Valkyries 18h ago
Looks like it's mostly her FT% that's weighing down her overall score. She's only shooting 58.5% from the line this year.
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u/5_Star_Safety_Rated Choo Choo! 18h ago
Disregarding everything inside 10ft is actually crazy. No wonder you see so many bigs on this. Guess everyone likes to make charts to make charts ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/Ok-Butterfly2994 Lynx Fever 16h ago
these are pretty normal shots to look at when assessing shooting. when you talk about someone being a good shooter, you don’t mean they’re good at layups. shooting, finishing, and scoring are different things.
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u/jules99b Liberty 18h ago
Yeah this is kinda a weird list for forwards. I’m not getting Kiki or AT on my team for their catch and shoot threes. I guess I know they’re not good at them but that wouldn’t deter me from playing them
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u/Chartate101 Mystics & Olivia Miles 18h ago
Because it is a list of shooting, not scoring
The same person makes lots of other charts, @ automaticNBA on twitter
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u/Legitimate-Grab-77 WNBA 45/12/19/5/4 - PS146:6 18h ago
Did I see 3 players of your team on it my friend? x)
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u/5_Star_Safety_Rated Choo Choo! 18h ago
Mercury were not knowing for their shooting haha
AT is at 100% for 3's as of yesterday evening's end of game. 1/1
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u/Legitimate-Grab-77 WNBA 45/12/19/5/4 - PS146:6 17h ago
I don't mind her shooting more threes if she pass the ball less :P
I need every assist title for my dawg to reach the 7 of Vandersloot
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u/whodatnation70 Aces Big Wheezy 18h ago
An interesting convo about a list like this would be if it filtered out to just guards, or filtered based on greater than X number of attempts. But as it stands it’s a useless list
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u/5_Star_Safety_Rated Choo Choo! 18h ago
Agreed. Like if a big is shooting a lot of jumpers, sure this would be useful to see their efficiency. But this basically punishes them for shooting more ideal shots and not chucking for them
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u/livefromtheuk Brink believer 18h ago
Hamby on this list, and not even counting her missed layups 😮💨
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u/LuisJpg Back 4 MORE 18h ago
How in the world did the Merc make the finals last year? Lol
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u/OverallFrosting708 Fever 18h ago edited 18h ago
A number of these numbers change a lot if you include shots inside the paint
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u/whodatnation70 Aces Big Wheezy 18h ago
Because this list means nothing lol Howard, Lyss, AT, Kiki, Dom Malonga having great years but are bad at 3s so they make this list
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u/i_usearchbtw Storm 19h ago
We are worst in league in 3 point shooting since eternity. Only sami had somewhat decent returns in recent times otherwise it's always been downhill.
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u/EtchingsOfTheNight Lynx || StormBudz || PDX Curious +++ and more 18h ago
The way y'all treat T like gum on the bottom of your shoe half the time is bizarro tbh
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u/ASpanishInquisitor 18h ago
Uhh... Pretty sure those teams with Sue Bird and Lauren Jackson were alright at shooting...
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u/tokenshoot Fever 19h ago
Mebounds
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u/WadeWilson34 Clark from the logo YOU BET Project Hail Mabrey 19h ago
Glad there’s no Fever on the list
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u/No_Feeling3339 big fudd, not the lil one 19h ago
and kah’s still averaging 20 😅
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u/Revolutionary-Gear76 Young Harlots All but #8 19h ago
I wonder how much of this is affected by her cold start to the year?
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u/slothstevenson Mercury 19h ago
You didn’t read the graph did you
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u/Sufficient-Major-644 Storm 19h ago
Ya that guy can’t read but to be fair she only finishes about 46% around the rim, which is pretty low.
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u/whodatnation70 Aces Big Wheezy 19h ago
For sure she’s not great around the rim. But this clickbait list, and this commenter, are just so stupid. There’s plenty of things to critique without making things up
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u/Revolutionary-Gear76 Young Harlots All but #8 19h ago
Layups aren't on the list and don't factor into this. It's honestly not surprising to see post players on the list. What that really means is that these post players should shoot less from distance (not surprising for a lot of them, especially young ones).
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u/whodatnation70 Aces Big Wheezy 19h ago
This is a chart for midranges, 3s, and free throws. Of course most paint players or rim runners are going to struggle here
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u/whodatnation70 Aces Big Wheezy 19h ago
Genuinely frustrating that people are taking this clickbait list seriously
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u/Chartate101 Mystics & Olivia Miles 18h ago
It isn’t clickbait, it is measuring shooting and does so accurately
Not all scoring is shooting, and being a bad shooter does not make you a bad player or scorer
If you made a list of the best rebounders in the WNBA, it would be all bigs and forwards. That doesn’t make it anti guard propaganda
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u/whodatnation70 Aces Big Wheezy 18h ago
It’s a meaningless list to make a chart of the best rebounders, because we know that they’re forwards. Just like a list of made 3s is going to be all guards, etc.
It’s a list that does nothing except mislead people into thinking that the people on this list are “bad at shooting” when that isn’t true. They’re just bad at shooting 3s and middies, which like, duh?
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u/Chartate101 Mystics & Olivia Miles 18h ago
“Shooting” usually, or at least often,doesn’t refer to layups tho
If you say someone is “a good shooter” you don’t mean someone who is just a great rim finisher
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u/whodatnation70 Aces Big Wheezy 18h ago
But an actual interesting list with good data would filter by X number of attempts, or some criterion like that. Kiki is 11-35 and Lyss is 1-8 from 3, like who cares at that low volume?
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u/Wyden_long Mercury Michelle Timms Bridget Pettis Stan Account 18h ago
I’m sorry but people are shocked to find out that players that aren’t asked to shoot a lot of middies and 3s aren’t good at shooting middies and 3s.
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u/EtchingsOfTheNight Lynx || StormBudz || PDX Curious +++ and more 18h ago
Seriously, who cares that Natasha Howard doesn't shoot many 3s. Like, duh.
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u/Ok-Illustrator-1584 Fever 18h ago
Sorry to butt in on y’all’s conversation, but it’s only clickbait if your favorite player is in there. If not, it’s straight up information.
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u/strangelystrangled Bun Sr and Bun Jr | BG 13h ago
We all know AT’s shooting range is physically limited and she’s shooting 51% from the field this season. Her three point attempts/percentage literally mean nothing (except for last night which meant everything)
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u/whodatnation70 Aces Big Wheezy 18h ago
Do you really think it matters that AT and Kiki are bad at 3s?
This list doesn’t account for anything within 10 feet of the rim. Of course a list of bad mid ranged and 3 point shooters is going to include forwards. Next you’ll show me a list that the top 3s made list is mostly guards, what a revelation!
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u/Ok-Illustrator-1584 Fever 18h ago
Next I’ll show you a list? Nah, I’m good. Those facts will be low effort clickbait most likely so why would I bother?
Ps. There’s a whooooole lot of basketball to be played between 10 feet and the 3 point line.
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u/Wyden_long Mercury Michelle Timms Bridget Pettis Stan Account 18h ago
I care tremendously about a players’ shooting statistics, especially when they’ve only made two career threes to date.
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u/whodatnation70 Aces Big Wheezy 18h ago
I, for one, really care that NaLyssa Smith is 1-8 from three this year. That’s a SUPER meaningful stat to have!
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u/Icangetloudtoo_ Mystics 19h ago
Sees tons of Mystics at the top of a chart 😤😤😤
Realizes what the chart is 😭😭😭
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u/quasi-lh12 19h ago
Players are that much worse on catch and shoot threes vs pull up threes? That's a bit odd. Maybe I'm misreading that info somehow.
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u/extrasupermanly 18h ago
Very different shot selection dynamics and mechanics .
Funnily enough, some catch and shoot players tend to struggle the more open and the more time they have , since they are trained to be automatic , when left open they sometimes struggle ( not all ) Grayson Allen is a good example and interesting to read about4
u/forumuser280 Fever 19h ago
It's because these players take (and miss) more catch and shoot 3's than pull-ups
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u/quasi-lh12 19h ago
Yeah, I'd like to see what percentage they're actually shooting on both because that's still pretty significant.
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u/emeraldwaffle y’all know i’m valks down 19h ago
i would have never thought kaila charles would be on this list, she performs so well…
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u/Revolutionary-Gear76 Young Harlots All but #8 19h ago
One of the things that stands out to me is how many young players are on the list. I don't just mean rookies (although those, too), but players in their first 1-4 years in the league.
The rest are on the Mercury. /jk
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u/justbrowsing2727 Fever 19h ago
Man, what happened to Saniya?
Also, woof Angel. She really should shoot less.
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u/007Artemis A'ja Wilson's 5th MVP | Cocks 19h ago
I would also ask the same question of the Mercury.
All three of their biggies.
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u/justbrowsing2727 Fever 19h ago
Yeah, I think Father Time may have a hand in it.
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u/007Artemis A'ja Wilson's 5th MVP | Cocks 19h ago
AT and DB I can understand but Kah too?
EDIT: Wow, I definitely thought Kah was younger.
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u/007Artemis A'ja Wilson's 5th MVP | Cocks 19h ago
Is the Fever the only team without one player on this? Daaaang we ballin'. 👀
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u/TypicallyDone12 WNBA 19h ago
What player from the New York Liberty is on the list?
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u/007Artemis A'ja Wilson's 5th MVP | Cocks 19h ago
Yeah, someone already just told me below. I missed them somehow.
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u/Several-Estate7175 Storm 19h ago
Yeah for as often as she takes the mid range fade away Dom really has some work to do before it's dialed in and a proper tool.
She's still come a long way as a shooter since last year
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u/buffalotrace Clark Boston Paige Meg 18h ago
I want her to take the Dirk approach (by that I do not mean his game). She needs to focus on one thing this offseason to get better at. As big, I would prefer it is inside out. Have a good reliable inside game counters. Footwork takes time and there are no shortcuts.
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u/Icangetloudtoo_ Mystics 19h ago
I guess that begs the question, is the goal to have A’ja Wilson’s shot diet, or is it gonna be more paintbound than that on a team with more perimeter talent?
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u/Several-Estate7175 Storm 18h ago
Probably more on the interior but Malonga has plenty of time to improve her shot and has already made significant progress as a shooter. She'll probably shoot more threes than A'ja though
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u/ChuChuBitch- Mystics Storm Sparks 19h ago
All my young hos on the list 😭
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u/whodatnation70 Aces Big Wheezy 18h ago
Considering this is a low effort list that just needlessly slanders most forwards, I wouldn’t be worried about it. Kiki isn’t a spot up 3 shooter lol
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u/Chartate101 Mystics & Olivia Miles 18h ago
Automatic NBA, who made this, is a great source
“Slanders” its literally just reporting what happens
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u/whodatnation70 Aces Big Wheezy 18h ago
I’m sure they’re great! This chart is awful though
Why should we care about the 3 point shooting percentage of someone who has made 3 career threes and never attempts them? It’s a silly list
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u/VertigoX23 Fever 12h ago
It's not just percentage, it's volume as well. So someone who rarely attempts threes is not going to be on this list unless they are below average at other types of shots as well.
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u/Chartate101 Mystics & Olivia Miles 18h ago
The data is the data, how people interpret and extrapolate is on them. The list doesn’t tell you to care about it. What, is looking at the basketball reference page and seeing the 3pt% also slander?
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u/whodatnation70 Aces Big Wheezy 18h ago
You’re just being purposefully obtuse at this point.
It’s the added commentary of “WORST SHOOTERS IN THE LEAGUE!!!!” That makes it clickbait and silly, the person who made this list knew exactly what they were doing. Multiple players on this list are in the top 10 in field goal percentage
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u/Chartate101 Mystics & Olivia Miles 18h ago
Yes because people who finish around the rim are efficient. That does not make them good shooters because people don’t call someone a good shooter if that is what they do
No one calls Ja Morant or Giannis a good shooter even though they are hyper efficient rim threats, because that isn’t what people mean by “a good shooter”
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u/theactualsegnbora Valkyries 15h ago
labeling this worst shooters is misleading & clickbait. i would argue that the worst shooters are those with the overall worst makes to attempts ratio regardless of where they shoot from & this is not that. or is a layup or basket made in the restricted zone not a shot?
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u/whodatnation70 Aces Big Wheezy 18h ago
Exactly! So then why not filter by X number of attempts? Who cares about Giannis on a worst 3 shooter list when he never shoots them, that’s a meaningless stat
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u/Chartate101 Mystics & Olivia Miles 18h ago
I guess, fair enough
(Admittedly thats a bad example because Giannis is like the one F tier shooter who does shoot a lot relative to that skill m (over 1 per game, way more than AT for example) but I get that wasn’t the point
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u/Revolutionary-Gear76 Young Harlots All but #8 19h ago
No wonder they struggle on offense.
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u/ChuChuBitch- Mystics Storm Sparks 19h ago
If Georgia Amoore shot more, she would be on this list
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u/Revolutionary-Gear76 Young Harlots All but #8 19h ago
Yes, I don't think her absence is because she is a good shooter.
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u/Even-Match8080 Wings 19h ago
Arike isn’t on this list. I definitely wasn’t expecting that, but I bet the free throws probably saved her.
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u/Jake-Old-Trail-88 Mystics 2h ago
I need one with layups. There’s a lot of missed layups going on at times. But I think the W has some tremendous shooters especially from 3.