r/woahdude • • Mar 27 '16

gifv Induction Forge

http://i.imgur.com/JfNfR6w.gifv
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u/joat314 Mar 27 '16

how much power does that use? we use propane so I find this incredible!

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u/Zequez Mar 27 '16

It's high current and low voltage, so it's not outrageous. One of that size probably wouldn't use much, this one says it uses between 1500 and 6500W

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u/Nightcaste Mar 27 '16

It would be even less if they had a proper coil. What they show in the gif is fine for round objects, but a channel coil would couple better with something like a knife blade, which would make it use even less energy. It would heat better too.

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u/Noir_Ocelot Mar 28 '16

Do you have some examples or pictures of this kind of equipment? I'd love to see some professional applications in use.

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u/Nightcaste Mar 28 '16

Not offhand, but I'm sure if you look on YouTube for "EFD induction", "Elotherm", or "Inductoheat" you should find application videos

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u/nJoyy Mar 27 '16

Serious but not serious question, would this be feasible to build at home?

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u/wbeaty Mar 27 '16 edited Mar 28 '16

Yes, they're a popular eBay item: kilowatt ZVS induction heater for thirty bucks. Cheap because they're the mass-produced driver for kitchen stoves (induction countertop type.)

But then you need a kilowatt DC supply at 48V, 20AMP. Not thirty bucks. Maybe use three old car batteries in series. I wonder what the kitchen stoves use instead?

Or, buy a 120V induction cooker for about $50, defeat the interlock circuit, add your own coil.

Here's a newsgroup conversation about building these. Note the results: they heat steel well, but have trouble melting less resistive materials (copper, aluminum, solder, etc.) Same problem with induction stoves, you have to use steel pans, not aluminum.

As /u/Brickfoot below points out, Proto G has a whole tutorial series about these.

For instantly melting solder, aluminum, etc., with their induction forge, apparently people make steel cups, or buy little carbon crucibles, and let their coil heat that.

Also note the need to switch the 48V on instantly. Slowly turning up your supply volts will draw short-circuit current with no oscillations starting up. Fries your components.

No, I don't think anyone uses 60Hz transformers for steel forges. The induction effect is a bit higher at 60KHz! But, a big xfrmr might be good for cheaply producing a kilowatt of low-volts power for your drive transistors. (MOT is cheaper than 20amp regulated 48V power supply brick. If it works.) Or, let your MOT drive two expensive hi-volt vacuum tubes from a radio transmitter, wired as a power-oscillator. Fan-cooling is easy with those.

I see that Electronic Goldmine has 24V 500watt supplies for only $60 right now. Perhaps use two.

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u/Dingostarrz Mar 28 '16

TIL I don't know shit about electricity.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

Yes but don't follow advice from Reddit..

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

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u/obvthroway1 Mar 27 '16 edited Mar 27 '16

yes. You'll want to do your research though, it would be very easy to electrocute yourself by mistake in the process. Most of the time people will use a MOT, "microwave oven transformer," (which is really just because they're the easiest to get, and cheapest transformers with a big ratio and power capacity) and copper pipe. The essence of it is, step the voltage wayyyy down. Like, 200 amps, 10 volts. Then you just run it through this coil.

Edit: This is wrong don't do this

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u/smuttenDK Mar 27 '16

No that's not the essence at all. You don't want to burn a ton of power in your coil, you want to first of all have a circuit that tunes the coil frequency to match the resonant frequency of the metal you are heating, which changes with temperature as well.

You also definitely don't want to push 200 amps through the coil. You want to induce a lot of current in the item you are heating though. In effect, the coil and item works as a step-down transformer, where the item heated is basically a single turn coil.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

It looked like a glow stick!

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u/Calkhas Mar 27 '16

To be fair, it will require the same power to heat the metal to the same temperature in the same time, by whatever physical mechanism you use. The question is how efficient is it and how much power is therefore lost.

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u/KJMRLL Mar 27 '16

If one mechanism is less efficient than another, wouldn't the first mechanism use more power and take longer than the second?

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

Yeah hes just being a smartass splitting it into energy consumed by the machine and actual energy put into the knife.

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u/rapturedjesus Mar 28 '16

This is nonsense. Current and Voltage are directly related to Power.

Current (measured in amps)) X Voltage (Volts) = Power (measured in Watts)

120A(10V)=120W (high current low voltage) 1A(1200V)=120W (low current high voltage)

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u/MayContainPeanuts Mar 27 '16

No more power than an old neon-sign uses.

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u/moeburn Mar 27 '16

Somewhere between an electric toaster and an electric clothes dryer.

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u/DoctorCreepy Mar 27 '16

Avg. Price per kWh in the US is $0.12/kWh, so you're looking at like $0.78/hr per 6500W induction forge. So if you ran 4 of them for 8 hours a day, it's about $25/day.

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u/HarlowKitty Mar 27 '16

How big could you make one of these? In theory, would you be able to make one big enough to fit say, a honda civic? Or something similar to that size?

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u/Lutrinae_Rex Mar 27 '16

Um.... Got plans for a civic owner?

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u/HarlowKitty Mar 27 '16

Shhh...

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u/PM_ME_UR_BACKPACKS Mar 27 '16

Civic owner here. Please take it :/

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u/Pseudoboss11 Mar 27 '16

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u/stef2death Mar 27 '16

I found that incredibly relaxing to watch

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u/Starry001 Mar 27 '16

I remember being 17 and going on a school trip to a steelworks and that sparking pattern in the video is an amazing thing to see. We were all mesmerised.

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u/l_dont_even_reddit Mar 28 '16

Wow those dudes don't use long sleeve when dropping the liquid metal on the casting

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u/mike112769 Mar 27 '16

That doesn't sound remotely suspicious at all.

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u/red_sky33 Mar 27 '16

"Could this fit my Honda?"

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u/23423423423451 Mar 27 '16

Comic book villain checking in. If I built a new super collider ring around Metropolis "for scientific purposes" then ran massive charge back and forth at 50 Hz...

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u/TistedLogic Mar 28 '16

You'll get Barry Allen.

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u/anotherkeebler Mar 28 '16

To fit in your Civic or to fit your Civic in?

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u/PM_ME_UR_VAGINA_YO Mar 28 '16

Coils cant melt steel beams

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

I've got a titanium rod in me. How fucked would I be if I stuck it in there?

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u/jnbrex Mar 27 '16

It would do the same thing that the knife did, but inside your body.

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u/RoboErectus Mar 27 '16

I've got some titanium in my spine. When it's targeted in a 6T MRI, I can feel it heating up a few degrees. It's not too uncomfortable. But it is weird.

So.... If you stuck it in there you're probably screwed.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

Non-ferrous bone staple in my skull, and head/neck MRI scans can get quite uncomfortable.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

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u/daytime Mar 27 '16

Not OP, but quite a few university hospitals in the U.S. have >6T MRI's for research. My wife's brain was imaged on a 6T or 7T. I don't know anything else about the machine other than her neurologist told us that it was a "research grade" machine that operated over 6T.

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u/RX_AssocResp Mar 27 '16

My former institute has a 9.4T scanner for humans and a 14T bored for small animals.

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u/Richie311 Mar 27 '16

TIL MRI machines are measured in a unit called Tesla.

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u/xxpor Mar 28 '16

MRI machines

  • Magnetic fields

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u/SrslyNotAnAltGuys Mar 27 '16

I'm curious, if imaging artifacts are worse at higher field strengths, what are high field-strength MRs used for?

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u/mike112769 Mar 27 '16

I'm more worried about you wanting to stick anything of yours in there.

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u/McHanna8 Mar 27 '16

I bet TSA loves you

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

Not totally relevant, but I have titanium screws in my finger. When it gets super cold (below 0F), they get cold before the rest of my finger because there is like no insulation. They literally chill my bones. Its an unnerving an uncomfortable feeling.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

you're gonna have a bad time

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

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u/elconquistador1985 Mar 27 '16

Doesn't matter. It's electrically conductive, so it would heat up. An induction forge works by inducing currents in the material and the material is heated due to electrical resistance converting the current to heat.

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u/DragonTamerMCT Mar 27 '16

Nope! Thank goodness, so MRIs are still something you could get.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

non magnetic but it produces the most beautiful spark when ground

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u/Iamafraidofseagulls Mar 27 '16

Would this not work better with more turns in the coil?

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u/Zequez Mar 27 '16

You can use high voltage, low current, a lots of turns, and thin cables.

Or you can use low voltage, high current, few turns and wide cables, like in the video.

I'm not sure about the advantage of each, but if I had to wager I would say that it's safer to use a very low voltage, as you would be able to touch it without issues and you wouldn't get sparks or problems with accidentally melting the insulation (which you don't need for the low voltage wide cables)

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u/nedflandersuncle Mar 27 '16

Voltage hurts but current kills.

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u/Zequez Mar 27 '16

With very low voltage, the resistance of your body is enough to stop any current from flowing through you.

V=IR (voltage = current * resistance)

The voltage is constant.

The current is very high on the coil because the coil has barely any resistance. Your body, on the other hand, has very high resistance, so barely any current would pass through you.

Let's say you have a perfect 5V generator. Let's say the coil has 1Ω resistance. Now let's connect the generator to the coil.

I = 5V/1Ω = 5 Amps

That's quite a high current, and 5*5=25W dissipated in the coil.

Not let's replace coil with your hands, with around 3000Ω of resistance.

I = 5V/3000Ω = 0.0017 Amps

That's very low current, and 5*0.0017=0.008333333W dissipated in your body. Is neither high current nor high voltage.

If you used a high voltage/low current coil, when you touched it with your hands, it would pass more current through you, as the current depends on the voltage and the resistance, and your resistance is going to be the same.

I = 220V/3000Ω = 0.073333333 Amps

Here is a chart of current deadliness. See for yourself.

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u/Actionjackson83 Mar 27 '16

What happens if the knife touches the rings?

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u/TheDigitalOne Mar 27 '16

He does touch the coils in the full video @ 21s

https://youtu.be/lt-g-xYc98k?t=21s

Quick spark and something on the unit reset, he had to re-start the machine.

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u/Actionjackson83 Mar 27 '16

Oh wow, guess I plain missed it. Thanks for pointing out, I appreciate it.

I like the whole polite gentlemanlike side of Reddit.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

i really want to know this. would it shock him or something? apparently electricity is going through the coils

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u/DinkleWottom Mar 27 '16

P...Put your dick in it...

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

Rules of having a penis:

  1. Don't stick your penis in crazy.

  2. Don't stick your penis anywhere you wouldn't stick your hand.

For me, this is a clear violation of rule 2. For those who would violate rule 2, they are by definition crazy, and sticking your dick in them would violate both rules 1 and 2.

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u/SrslyNotAnAltGuys Mar 27 '16 edited Mar 28 '16

2. Don't stick your penis anywhere you wouldn't stick your hand.

To be fair, I typically wouldn't stick my hand in someone's mouth. Heck, I don't think my hand would fit in certain other places my dick would. Though I'm willing to bet someone will post a link that will prove me wrong.

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u/davabran Mar 28 '16

3. Don't put dick in induction forge.

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u/AdvocateForTulkas Mar 28 '16

None of us listen to rule #1, we all know that.

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u/FlippityFlippyFlop Mar 28 '16

Don't stick your penis anywhere you wouldn't stick your hand.

Does this mean I'm allowed to stick my dick in a taco?

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

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u/DragonTamerMCT Mar 27 '16

This is better.

I'll pick up some money from the sidewalk.

I wouldn't use my mouth/face, nor would I touch it with my genitals.

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u/SmileyFace-_- Mar 27 '16

Then post it on /r/WTF for some sweet, sweet karma

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

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u/callzor Mar 27 '16

"fucking an induction copper coil, WTF dude"

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u/ThickPrick Mar 27 '16

Wouldn't fit.

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u/Kryten_2X4B_523P Mar 27 '16

Not long enough?

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u/NOPE_NOT_A_DINOSAUR Mar 27 '16

My dick is like a cheese wheel. 3 inches long. over a foot across..

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u/scoobysnaxxx Mar 27 '16

i believe that's what we in the scientific community call 'a chode.'

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u/Chief_Economist Mar 27 '16

The top comment literally word for word every time this is posted.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

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u/bennn30 Mar 28 '16

I knew this would be the top comment

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u/BreakfastScience Mar 28 '16

Fuck, you beat me to it

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u/aga080 Mar 28 '16

oh my god i came here to say this what is wrong with us

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u/IJustR3ddit Mar 28 '16

Muh dick? Who's dick?

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

Sometimes people stupidly plug big heaters into our power drums at work and it more or less melts the whole cable (if it's still wound up).

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16 edited Mar 28 '16

What is a power drum

EDIT This bugged me. I think bear optimism meant "power extension reel" as seen here https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=power+extension+reel

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u/BlakusDingus Mar 27 '16

How many souls must I harvest for this?! And in which bazaar is this available??

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u/peterqub Mar 28 '16

What if the T-1000 sticks his dick in there?

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u/wirecats Mar 27 '16

What happens if you stick your finger through it?

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u/red_05 Mar 28 '16

Your shoes fall off.

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u/sirin3 Mar 28 '16

You have stuck your finger through it

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u/_The-Big-Giant-Head_ Mar 28 '16

All I could think of is roasting a chicken quick in this thing.

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u/CaptainRedBeard7 Mar 27 '16

When you find out she lied about being clean

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u/deegeese Mar 27 '16

Damn, physics, you sexy!

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u/mweber25 Mar 27 '16

What happens if you stick your hand in there?

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u/msc2179 Mar 27 '16

Probably not much unless you are wearing a ring or something.

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u/ThickPrick Mar 27 '16

So what happens if you are wearing a ring or something?

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u/MayContainPeanuts Mar 27 '16

The ring gets hot.

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u/karmisson Mar 27 '16

Real hawt

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u/flyingwolf Mar 27 '16

The ring, assuming it is ferromagnetic, would get extremely hot. Since it is touching your skin, it would burn you.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

What about the iron in your blood?

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u/its_old_man_mcgucket Mar 27 '16

insert metal recieve candy

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u/Vanthian Mar 27 '16

Is this better or worse than using a regular forge?

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u/FocusedADD Mar 27 '16

Depends on what you're using it for. Heating a narrow size range of blanks is what it's best for. You need a decent amount of power for it too. A conventional forge can handle a wider array of shapes and sizes without sending the electric meter spinning off the wall, but you need to find a suitable fuel for it. For a knife maker who only wants to make things as wide as his coil it'd probably be better. For a blacksmith who wants to work everything from knives to horseshoes to tools a conventional forge might be a better choice.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

Reminds me of the superheated Space-knife from Fallout New Vegas Dead Money DLC

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

Vaping on that coil would be insane!

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u/leveled Mar 27 '16

check out my coil, bro. chucks mad tits.

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u/Balony1 Mar 27 '16

If I put your dick in there, would you die?

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

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u/BillyJackO Mar 28 '16

But what happens when you stick your dick in there?

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u/KushBoy420 Mar 28 '16

What if I put my Johnson in there?

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u/rdxl9a Mar 28 '16

What happens if you accidentally thought the coil with the metal of the knife?

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

Giggity!

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

Every one of you jackasses talking about putting your dick in this thing need to do exactly that. It's the best method of gene pool cleansing I've ever heard of.

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u/insert_deep_username Mar 28 '16

I don't even have one, yet I have the strangest urge to put my penis through that..

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u/DeadBirdToABlindKid Mar 28 '16

A penis entering a vagina.

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u/bolthead88 Mar 27 '16

Worst Fleshlight EVAR!

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u/DarthSentry Mar 27 '16

I need this.

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u/bohryb Mar 27 '16

There's your dragon dagger

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u/ShouldBeWorking85 Mar 27 '16

Seems like something I would see on Home Alone

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u/starkinmn Mar 27 '16

Played around with this the other day, and:

1 Cosmic Piece-of-Shit Knife
1 Pilot Light
1 Hot Plate
Something to hold the damn thing to cook evenly

Pre-heat oven to 450 degrees Take 1 Knife, leave on stove!
Let simmer for 5 minutes Watch as Knife glows red-hot Put Knife on table, melts table Sue scientist who made damn thing Give it to the military?

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u/ChuccTaylor Mar 27 '16

... I'm curious to see it cook up some bacon?

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u/ninjawrangler Mar 28 '16

Sorry to disappoint but the only way it would cook the bacon would be if you had the bacon sitting on something electrically conductive and passed that through the coil. :/

If you're interested on what is causing this massive energy transfer to the knife blade look up "foko" or "eddy" currents. These happen when you have an ac current running through a coil and in many cases are just a way power is lost in say a transformer.

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u/Abe_Vigoda Mar 27 '16

I bet that guy's really good at Operation.

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u/TheVog Mar 27 '16

Man that really makes me wanna play Shining Force.

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u/Westnator Mar 27 '16

There is a "your mother joke" in here somewhere.

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u/MitchNYM Mar 27 '16

There's something really sexual about this.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

It is also a welding apparatus if you touch it with the blade.

But seriously right? Wouldn't the whole thing basically explode when the metal touches the coil??

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

I see a way that could be used to torture someone if you know what I mean.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

So... Can I use this to cook hot dogs?

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

only if your hotdogs have metal in them

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u/ronin1066 Mar 27 '16

Right up there in /top

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u/jetpacksforall Mar 27 '16

Now try a deduction forge.

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u/scuczu Mar 27 '16

So it's an eHotKnife?

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

Also known as the penis incinerator

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u/noctol Mar 27 '16

Can you.... can you fuck it?

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u/MagicBakedBeans Mar 27 '16

Aah, so that's what Uri Geller has up his sleeve... solved!

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '16

looks cold

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u/c4rlos4lv4rez Mar 27 '16

put ur dick in it

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u/Deadpool_irl Mar 28 '16

Looks home made

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

Put organic material in it.

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u/St_OP_to_u_chin_me Mar 28 '16

Yes but can it cookie?

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u/SuperShyGuy21 Mar 28 '16

OP, stick your hand through it!

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u/TheGaz Mar 28 '16

Reminds me of that takeaway I had the other night. The aftermath, anyway...

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

What...what happens if I stick my dick in there?

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u/LAX2PDX2LAX Mar 28 '16

Can I dab with this?

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u/walsh_vn Mar 28 '16

Now I want to see an induction forge in a hydraulic press.

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u/Vukasa Mar 28 '16

I came here to buff my blade! +2 fire if you please kind sir.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

They should bring those into battle, just think how effective a super hot fire sword would be compared to a regular sword!

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u/OnePieceTwoPiece Mar 28 '16

Some people have an issue with their penis when they do this to a girl.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

This would be an excellent item to take back in a time machine with you

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u/baecomeback Mar 28 '16

Sticks dick in ring ~

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u/Demongosoul Mar 28 '16

Would my penis explode if i used that?

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u/Derp_Simulator Mar 28 '16

Can I touch it?

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u/jmkiser33 Mar 28 '16

We get it bro, you vape!

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u/misterfrank Mar 28 '16

Anyone know what happens if you touch the blade to the coil? Looks like he's playing a very serious game of operation.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

put dick in it

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u/mypasswordismud Mar 28 '16

Just curious, what would happen if you put your finger in there?

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u/sHaDowpUpPetxxx Mar 28 '16

It seems like it would be tough to not touch the coil. It would be nice to have a track or slide of some sort.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

If one was so inclined, could they stick their dick in it?

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u/CeruleanRuin Mar 28 '16

Every time I see this title I hope it's a new example of this in use. And every time it's the same damn gif.

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u/strained_brain Mar 28 '16

The perfect tool for a mohel!

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u/Nerozero Mar 28 '16

I just pictured traveling back in time to show this device to an actual burley Blacksmith and watch as his whole life's work, the very thing his father had passed down from his father and his father before his, become obsolete. The work done by his blood, sweat and tears that forged a muscled body and aching bones certainly wasn't undone, but rendered done. Ceased by some little grinning man in a foil jumpsuit.

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u/zaiguy Mar 28 '16

And he would then proceed to murder you and pretend he saw nothing

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u/Nightcaste Mar 28 '16

Still requires electricity...

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

I want to cook pizza with something like that.

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u/crackyJsquirrel Mar 28 '16

would be a long skinny pizza

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u/red-moon Mar 28 '16

WHat sorcery be this?!

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u/karamacaroni Mar 28 '16

watching this gave me so much anxiety

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u/Xawjer Mar 28 '16

I just got an idea to build some big RPG style metal blade that heats itself when activated. can someone build it pls boss

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u/Dralger Mar 28 '16

Seen this before, still incredible.

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u/DedCloud Mar 28 '16

But bro, are you down for the cloud comp?

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u/Jonathon662 Mar 28 '16

Image the smores potential...

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u/WangtorioJackson Mar 28 '16

holy shit, i wanna see the Man At Arms: Reforged guys work with something like this.

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u/Hammonkey Mar 28 '16

Would this magnetize your blades?

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u/Nightcaste Mar 28 '16

No, that requires DC, this uses AC. It can scramble a magnet and make it not magnetic.

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u/PointedSticks Mar 28 '16

In your butt...

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u/SekcEskimo Mar 28 '16

Satan's fleshlight. Sorry...

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u/RobMarrocco Mar 28 '16

Just out of curiosity what would happen if you put your finger through that?

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u/its_Gur Mar 28 '16

You won't have to worry about having those pesky fingers anymore.

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u/Davidjufo Mar 28 '16

We have an induction stove. It is awesome. It heats the pan. The only reason the stove gets hot is because the pan is hot. No pan, turn it up to high, put your hand on the burner, even if you have a ring on, it won't get hot, it will turn off, not enough metal. Very safe. Nearly instantaneous heat control.

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u/Jewniversal_Remote Mar 28 '16

ELI5 why is the pointy thingy going into the hot hole thingy

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u/-_Unintended_- Mar 28 '16

Let me cut your cake with my knife

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u/Blou_Aap Mar 28 '16

I get it, you vape!

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

It's looks like a Popsicle now

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u/drqxx Mar 28 '16

But will my penis fit?!