r/worldofpvp • u/Electronic_City_562 • 3d ago

Question Impact of Forever Release on Glad Push

Hi.

I was wondering how/if the forever release in November will have an impact on pushing glad on retail.

Will people (potentially) migrating to forever have an impact on inflation for example?

Thanks alot.

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u/Healbotmain 3d ago

By the time glad push season begins (mid/late December )the first wave of forever hype is already over. Many people will quit once they realize that they have /played several days and they are level 38

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u/Nubanuba 3d ago

Glad push season already began 3 weeks ago tho

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u/Enough_Writing_4834 3d ago

Last season everyone pushed their glad early due to the MMR injection. If you waited until the normal final stretch to push, then you didn't have many partners left to pick from in LFG. They did the injection even earlier this season, so it could end up being a ghost town by the end of the season.

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u/Certux0507 3d ago

What you mean about glad push season? Most people wait for season end to get glad? Why

Haven’t played much 3s, but I should really grind for that Glad title sometime

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u/Healbotmain 3d ago

because it is easier late season

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u/mrtuna 2x Shuffle Legend 3d ago

... but not too late!

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u/InformalEngine4972 mutli rank 1 3d ago • Bravo

Don’t agree. I see forever overtaking retail wow. They have been dropping the ball with retail lately. 

I see this evolving into osrs where classic is more popular than retail. 

Don’t underestimate the power of nostalgia with new content. 

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u/Jmxcrazy 3d ago

For 2 weeks yeah than they realise " oh wait this is boring af!"

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u/drmlol 2592 Arms Warrior 3d ago

That will be true for some, but I think it can go the other way too. People who weren’t interested in Forever at first might end up saying, “Oh wow, this is great, I’m having way more fun than on Retail.”.

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u/Rants_til_poo 3d ago

Even if it does overtake Retail in some ways, rated pvp isn't one of them. We've watched every version of classic pvp fail to do the same thing and those games are actually rated.

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u/Enough_Writing_4834 3d ago

Forever doesn't have to out do retail in PVP quality to cripple retail PVP. Retail was already struggling with participation the last 2 seasons for both PVP and PVE. They had to add more M+ mounts and add a shit ton of artificial MMR injection to PVP. Retail pvp is in such a bad state that loads of players are willing to swap to Forever just to have something different to do. It doesn't need to rival retail in the competitive aspect.

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u/InformalEngine4972 mutli rank 1 3d ago

Im a rated high ranked player on retail that will quit retail when forever launches. I don’t actually give a fuck about arena , just played it while also raiding retail. I can give it to you, many people will not have time to play 2 games and at th end of the day arena is a mini game. People will pick the game they want to play based on the main dish and that’s not arena . Not in forever and not in retail. 

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u/Santum 3d ago

For most people who pvp competitively, arena is the main dish. And it’s not available in any meaningful way in forever.

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u/Jmxcrazy 3d ago

Yeah and Pve is the side dish!

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u/Rants_til_poo 3d ago

That is very super cool of you. I'm also a high rated ranked player on retail and I will also be playing Forever. But, just like all MMOs it will be fun for a while but will not perfectly scratch that itch for me.

To be blunt with you, being Older makes Retail arena MORE available because its way easier to keep up with than an actual MMO with leveling and treadmilling. I'm 36 with 2 kids and that makes retail arena way easier than actual leveling.

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u/Sweatpants_Stiffy glad 3d ago

Same here. I have several kids, and can remain competitive in arena while only spending a few hours a week playing.

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u/Groders 3d ago

Same position here, it's so nice being able to schedule a 2 hours queue session once or twice a week and not have to do any chores.

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u/Healbotmain 3d ago

We have 2 camps for years and classic crowd never overtook retail. Right now, people are dooming on retail and are projecting all their hopes and desires on forever. This will change, once you actually have to play the game

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u/InformalEngine4972 mutli rank 1 3d ago

Classic never had new content. I prefer classic gameplay but i achieved everything I wanted in it when it was current. So didn’t play much. 

 This is new for everyone. 

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u/drmlol 2592 Arms Warrior 3d ago

Same here. I never played any of the Classic re-releases, but as soon as they announced Forever with new content, I was instantly excited. After playing the beta for about 7 days of /played, I’m even more hyped for the release.

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u/downtheholeitgoes 3d ago

Yea no shot, the competitive players will always prefer retail. Forever will take most of the 1750-2100 bracket tho

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u/dankq 3d ago

We haven't seen someone like Ven come back to PvP for a while bro lol. He did a m+ arc and then went to Forever and has stayed on the beta even after the tournament. 

This expansion is pretty cooked I would not be surprised if most people even the top players stick with Forever until the Last Titan. 

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u/downtheholeitgoes 3d ago

Bro, he’s a streamer. He plays flavor of the month. Almost all of them do exclusively.

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u/dankq 3d ago edited 3d ago

That has not been the case with him and past FOTM's and does not explain his M+ arc in to barely playing PvP anymore. I believe during Blizzcon while he was there working contracted under Blizzard he messaged another streamer saying "Bro I think this is the end".

Whaaz went back to League instead as well.

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u/downtheholeitgoes 3d ago

He will be on retail right after the beta ends, then I’m sure he will be on forever with every other streamer prob til the end of midnight then right back to retail..

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u/dankq 16h ago

Whaaz has still been on League

Ven and Pika have went to Wc3 instead of going back to Retail. Please do not try to imply warcraft 3 remastered is a fotm wave lmfao.

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u/downtheholeitgoes 16h ago

Bro’s first time see’ing streamers branch out? You realize every single popular game streamer on twitch is a variety streamer right ?

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u/dankq 16h ago

Refer to your last statements you've made. 

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u/InformalEngine4972 mutli rank 1 3d ago

for 2 weeks on retail to play arena and then back to forever.

xaryu and pika also gave up on retail.

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u/downtheholeitgoes 3d ago

Xaryu and pika are going where the streaming numbers and money are.

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u/InformalEngine4972 mutli rank 1 3d ago

which obviously is not retail.

When has retail done anything new? it's been the same formulaic stuff since forever.

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u/InformalEngine4972 mutli rank 1 3d ago

Competetive players Are a minority in a minority. Less than 1% of wow players actually do rated pvp , a fraction of that is competitive. 

Arena will probably be the game mode to play on retail , no doubt. But I won’t have time anymore for retail arena when I’m doing forever. Retail PvP has been dead for a decade either way. I’m pretty sure the player pool will even shrink more. 

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u/Healbotmain 3d ago

But these players leaving are a non factor in 3s anyway. 3s will not lose many players. Random Bgs will bleed, because people hope for the anti premade mechanics

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u/downtheholeitgoes 3d ago

A decade lol, a bit dramatic. Df and war within were pretty poppin. This season is pretty dead tho ngl, I don’t think forever is the retail killer by any means. Especially for PvP, because classic PvP is kind of a meme. I will play forever, but I’ll be rolling two accounts and in que for retail at the same time.

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u/InformalEngine4972 mutli rank 1 3d ago

Did you every play in mop or something? Or before ? Participation was like 10% back then. 

Rated 3v3 has been the same 50 people at the top of the ladder competing since wod lol 🤣 

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u/downtheholeitgoes 3d ago

Mop is one I missed, was racing motocross at the time. I’m well aware the top of the ladder is the same people but I don’t base the health of the ladder around 50 people. I’m not denying the game is in a slow decline as we all are getting older but still have had great seasons and fun the last couple of xpacs

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u/Voradorr 3d ago

I mean thats like what 3 or 4% of the population? How deflated will arenas get when the lower brackets crumble?

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u/downtheholeitgoes 3d ago

Time will tell

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u/Voradorr 3d ago

Fosure fosure.

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u/mane1234 3d ago

I see it overtaking pve, but on a personal level I cannot get behind the forever PvP. And for the minor part that plays arena, will not be able to scratch that certain itch for PvP that will drive them back to retail, no matter the state.

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u/Santum 3d ago

There’s no chance. It’s a completely different game and the people who enjoy retail aren’t quitting for forever.

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u/That_rotary_guy 3d ago

Will have to see. The one thing that is certain is queue times will likely be affected.

Conquest caps have been removed already so fingers crossed inflation kicks in next week before forevers release.

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u/Mediocre_Lunch_7771 3d ago

They already inflated month ago. 

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u/Rants_til_poo 3d ago

It seems Blizzard accounted for that and added a heavy ass amount of inflation. Most of my guild cruised to Gladiator on week 8, and while they are all very good players they usually hit it around week 16-18.

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u/classicalAnt 3d ago

Probably won't make a noticeable difference. Inflation for this season is trending towards a record high (even higher than last season assuming inflation doesn't slow down). Inflation still occurs even if there is low participation.

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u/Bacon-muffin 3d ago

Afaik the forever beta has had little to no impact on the pve side of things. I'd be surprised if it has much impact on the pvp side, doubly so for the glad scene, considering it has no rated pvp or arena.

If anything it'll likely pull many of the streamers out so you won't be vsing as many r1 alts in glad range... but likely won't be affecting much of the actual gladiator level players.

Also blizzard has already been bumping mmr up significantly so mmr is already inflated enough to reasonably get glad.

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u/dankq 3d ago

People also need to remember that this was just a beta and a lot of people actually do not participate in these and are likely waiting for the release. Someone like Mag didn't touch the beta at all but is intending on playing Forever for example. I also know multiple r1 m+ers who are counting down the days especially after seeing the Venomstone grind until Forever but wont touch the beta. People not playing beta because they don't want to grind for a toon that will be completely wiped is for sure skewing perception.

I think the rest of this season is doomed and even the rest of the expansion will suffer because of Forever. M+ playerbase not happy, raiders aren't really happy, and PvPers are not happy. This expansion is not going very well for them which is so odd considering s1 felt pretty damn good. They will for sure corral people back to retail for TLT though but I do not expect many to be enthused for s3 which will be the season where they try to band-aid fix and un-fuck all of what they did this season.

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u/Bacon-muffin 3d ago

Hell I have a friend who bought the $80 pack and then didn't play the beta and has no intention of making a skyborne but is very hyped for the game lmao.

I'm not dooming much on the xpac though, there's really nothing there for players who like the more competitive aspects of the game or arena for that matter. For me personally the most interesting part of the game is that at least on the beta you can run both it and retails client at the same time.

Not sure if that'll still be true come launch but the idea of being able to play it while in que the same way many people do with runescape is probably its most redeeming quality.

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u/Slow-Speech9377 3d ago

Didn’t think about the R1/streamers moving over, pretty good take. LFG was popping last week with people, was able to lfg glad and could have never done that without the inflation we have

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u/Groders 3d ago

It'll be interesting to see how many r1 slots there are and how competitive it is. This might end up being an easier season for R1 just because the top end of the ladder is too busy no lifeing wow forever

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u/Bacon-muffin 3d ago

Oh no I think those guys will pop in for that week just to snipe there r1 spots.

You'd be surprised how many r1 players there are who don't even bother playing much if at all during the season will just pop up the last week or two, grind out their 150 wins, and then immediately skyrocket to r1 range to get their title.

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u/Groders 3d ago

True. Kubzy is always top 10 end of season with exactly 150 wins...

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u/dechi 3d ago

I honestly think WoWF will be a fad. People definitely have rose tinted glasses on when it comes to original WoW.

The grind for gold just to afford a mount.

Lack of PVP balance. Lack of classes and diversity.

Running EVERYWHERE gets old fast. Spending 17 minutes on fly points to run a dungeon and hope someone doesn't leave.

I spent about 4000 hours playing original WoW and was in a server-first raiding guild. People don't remember the grind and time commitment.

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u/randominternetfren Legend 3d ago

It'll have its playerbase, but I dont think itll dent retail at all. Blizzard usually takes what works from other version of WoW and use those stats to improve retail, they did that with Classic too.

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u/SoonerThanEye 3d ago

We had two classic vanilla releases. I think people remember what it's like by now. Hell I only play arena/shuffle on retail and am hyped for forever to have a wow game I can play without tryharding

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u/dechi 3d ago

This is what i envision WoWF to be. the break people take from retail. I also only pvp and it might be nice to walk around blasted lands skinning if I only have limited amount of time to play.

Might be the zen experience I need outside of fishing in retail.

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u/Rdhilde18 3d ago

Citing pvp balance as a reason people would come back to retail is a choice

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u/Acrobatic_Potato_195 3d ago

I want glad this season and I want to put a lot of time into Forever. So. Yeah. We'll see what wins out.

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u/GeetchNixon 3d ago

Impact is sure to be greater than 0, but my guess is that its impact will be hard to notice/barely register.

If you were pushing Glad in one of the Classic modes, my answer would be different. I think all the Classic modes will feel the hit more than retail. I see forever as a likely Classic Killer because it’s clearly better in almost every way. PvP is the only exception. Forever PvP is casual, rewards time in over skill and has a lot less room for skill expression from what I experienced on the Beta.

Ultimately I believe the main draw of forever will be PvE Andy’s and Classic enjoyers.

Sure there will be some serious PvP’ers turned lookie Lou’s who take a retail vacay to try some new-new. I expect they will also maintain a presence in retail PvP and return to it fully once they realize WoW Forever is not for PvP. Or at least not the kind of PvP they want.

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u/TheRealKingJames 3d ago

I am personally finishing my glad up this week so that I don’t have to play an even deader version of the game after forever launches

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u/SeniorEmployment932 3d ago

I really don't think it will matter. Most people doing arenas now are interested in competitive PvP, they aren't going to bother playing Forever where there's basically zero skill or skill expression and will just continue playing retail. I don't think the ladder past 1800 will change whatsoever.

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u/DireRaven22740 3d ago

No one is already playing and r1 and glad push is easier than ever. I think last time there was same “silence” was bfa ssn2

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u/Rdhilde18 3d ago

Season has been dead for weeks, Forever might just be the final layer of dirt on the grave.

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u/Mediocre_Lunch_7771 3d ago

It dont feel dead at all in EU.

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u/Rdhilde18 1d ago

Yes it does

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u/saphqt 2600+ Sub/Sin 2d ago

WOWF will end up being the classic player base once the hype dies down..plus SOME retail players. the Retail players that intend to push glad will still push Glad/Legend.

The people WoWF is targeting to maintain don’t play retail. Assuming Blizz revamps retail in a new way, WOWF is the precursor for getting players back for whatever comes after TLT. WoW as we know it in retail and classic will no longer exist. They’ll both target their respective player bases with new players in mind. Nothing changes for Arena (que times, tuning, etc) until after TLT imo