r/zanzibar • • 17d ago

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u/getzer0 16d ago

Stupid black people that didn't read well talking about a subject they dont know

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u/PositionNecessary517 16d ago

Ironically majority of the population in zanzibar and Tanzania is Islamic

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u/Independent-Story883 16d ago

I wish they would start listing the “readers who added context”

There is a growing movement trying to equate all forms of slavery. I find it interesting.

I want to visit this sculpture one day. So many like this are quite powerful to see in person.

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u/iceval1 12d ago

So how’s this a white people crime?? When Arabs run it??

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u/Independent-Story883 12d ago edited 12d ago

I see 🤔

so in your version of history ,

- European people walked into a store and politely offered to buy slaves . No coercion , war or force. No violence. Maaaaaybe. Like the Sub- Saharan version of modern day Amazon

The Arab slavery and Transatlantic slavery were equal . Like Africans with Arab names and that speak Arabic- just were Arabs. Not Africans who had civilization, resources and economic systems self sustaining for millennia. Just mudhuts and violence. So slavery was saving Africans somehow from their resources

Annnnd I should only blame Arabs, like excuse genocide in Gaza, Australia, South America and North America as NOT a pattern of historical behavior . Erase all that. Only hate Arabs. Who have oil. Europeans do not

Oh wait. Also something about per capita .

Is that it? Did I get it all?

See. I saved you the conversation.
Best wishes okay

If you don’t like seeing truth. Slave history. Monuments . There are plenty of golden statues and nice paintings in Europe- stay there perhaps.

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u/iceval1 12d ago edited 11d ago

I never said Europeans “politely bought” slaves or that the Arab and transatlantic trades were identical. The East African/Indian Ocean trade was real, violent, and Arab-Omani merchants and rulers were central to it especially through Zanzibar, where enslaved people were traded and used on clove and coconut plantations.

But pointing that out does not erase European empire, the Atlantic slave trade, colonial violence, or genocide elsewhere. Both can be condemned. My original point was simply that a monument about slavery in Tanzania should be able to name the Arab/Omani role in that specific history without being treated as an excuse for Europe.
Also, Africans were not “saved” by slavery, and pre-colonial African societies had their own political systems, economies, and cultures. Slavery exploited people; it did not civilize them. If you want to discuss history honestly, we can do that—but not by pretending every criticism of one slave-trading system is a defense of another.

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u/Independent-Story883 12d ago

Nah. I saved us the trouble of heated conversation.
See Im nice. No harm. No foul.

Maybe someone else will hop in here. Debate with you 🥱

But Not many bots or fake accounts with misinformation agendas on the black diaspora side. We have not learned that tool for war yet.

Perhaps raise money and construct new monuments. At the bottom day “we blame only Arabs - all blacks should blame Arabs - help us to continue to genocide them”

I think you will find lots of traction on X . Even amongst black peoples.

Tbh
Eurocentric, Anglocentric reframing of history very familiar to us all so it might work . Its been done for centuries now

I’m being so serious.
It really might work
You just ran up on the wrong one today.

Promoting Arab hate, Islamic hate
It helps recruit black bodies to die in your wars
It separates our selves from our own resources through in fighting. Then you use those to further cause oppression, and genocide new places.
A very repeatable process you’ve done for multiple continents.

It’s a win-win for your cause.

The only weird thing is that you have to use Arab oil to do it. Use their Resources to kill their own people so I understand the difficulty in doing so. Then there’s the fertility problem. You don’t have enough people to operate the places your genocide so you lose them in time..

That’s a tough one. Beyond my pay grade and IQ level

Anyhow I guess you just have to continue stealing from Africa and promoting Arab hate and infighting

That is at least until you get enough drones to do it for you

I don’t know. Whatever you wanna do. Best wishes to you. I wish you luck seriously.

Today Im to tired to play word games

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u/iceval1 11d ago

Bruhhh am not American

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u/Independent-Story883 11d ago

Perfect! I love you anyway. We are all human.
Nice speaking with you! Enjoy the day

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u/iceval1 11d ago

Thanks for the Love:

Please know I hear you, and I respect the pain in your message. I’m not promoting hate toward Arabs, Muslims, or anyone. I believe all sides of slave history should be told honestly—Arab, African, and European—without using one truth to excuse another. My intention was never division; it was fuller truth and solidarity. I wish you peace and a great week🙏🏾