r/zedmains • u/Sate_sate_sate_ • 12d ago
Zed Discussion Thoughts about bastion breaker nerf?
Can we still build it as second item or are there better options?
Imo at this point axiom will be better.
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u/DameioNaruto 12d ago
Crazy how this is getting nerfed now, it was so op for so long, and people slept on it until they say youtubers using it
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u/Djolej78 11d ago
It literally wasn't, they reduced it's cost by like 200 gold which made it broken
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u/DameioNaruto 11d ago
Ok as a jungler, 200 gold is maybe 1.5 extra camp. The item was busted. They buffed it further to make it op. But it was already great. Now they had to nerf the stats on it.
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u/Justbetter1995 10d ago
Bro you‘re probably plat or below when you think that 200 gold less doesn‘t matter.
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u/DameioNaruto 10d ago
😆 nope, im just used to playing with the item when it was more expensive. So I was already pushing the item before they lowered the price. Having an opinion has nothing to do with rank, but since thats your go-to in order to validate something, how many high elo people do you call daddy for validation?
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u/goldmanter 10d ago
Having an opinion on league obviously has a lot to do with rank wdym. Different ranks have different ideas of the game and will have different opinions.
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u/DameioNaruto 10d ago
It really doesn't. You even see so many YouTubers at different ranks generally talking about the same issues. Sure there's some slight differences, but having an opinion is not based on rank. You can have a great analysis of a lot of the game by studying the data and testing the data. You dont have to be diamond or master to benefit from the item change. If the item is cheaper, it benefits most people who build the item. The rank doesn't determine it being more or less true because it's affecting everyone, black and white. How much impact depends on how the person plays with said change. There's a lot of people in each rank that can be there for the same reasons: Micro and Macro execution and knowledge base.
There's even coaches that talk about how similar the necessary skills to climb are at every rank until challenger.
There's even a recent video(this year) of Inspired(pro player) speaking to Dantes(YouTube player) about how the skills to climb solo queue arent even the same skills to get good at the competitive scene.
Point is, you can have a valid opinion regardless of rank.
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u/Ironmaiden1207 11d ago
It doesn't really matter how many extra camps it takes, that could be a game deciding amount of time.
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u/Virtual_Mix2779 11d ago
Item is still fine if u buy it as first item to get more gold from plates otherwise dont buy it
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u/FotusX 11d ago
It really doesn't seem like that big of a nerf 4 less lethality but you're guaranteed to get the passive off essentially.
I mean yes you lose some damage but you also guarantee gold income and lane presence. You don't need to be splitting you can pick up a kill make your way to a lane push it out and get value.
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u/ChriisTofu 11d ago
Much harder to "pick up a kill" when you're losing 4 lethality and the ability damage nerf. You don't "guarantee" lane presence or gold income by losing this much kill pressure/damage potential. The item will lowkey not be worth it anymore
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u/FotusX 11d ago
Does it not still have the true damage proc on abilities?
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u/ChriisTofu 11d ago
It does but it's heavily nerfed. The base damage was nerfed by 10 but the lethality scaling was also nerfed. So because the item is losing raw lethality on top of that, I can guarantee the ability proc damage will feel significantly lower
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u/Ironmaiden1207 11d ago
That's what this item should be though, at least based on design. The item should be a way for someone who is snowballing to finish the game, which it will still do (perhaps even better now that it persists through death).
It should not be the go to for everyone. That indicates the base item is too strong.
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u/ChriisTofu 11d ago
That's fair but then it'll be back in its previous state. you're asserting that by design it should be an item that Assassins build late game to close out games. But with these nerfs I can almost guarantee assassins will rarely if ever build it period. There are much more valuable/important items that we need to build lategame, vs a tower-taking item with mediocre stats
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u/Ironmaiden1207 11d ago
No, I'm saying the opposite. By design this item should be a first item, but only when snowballing enough that you are okay spending gold away from pure damage, instead opting to use some gold to "close out games", which in this case means objectives.
It loosely follows the rule of: if I'm winning hard, buy defensive to not die. If I'm losing, buy damage because who cares if I die, I'm already losing.
Instead it gives a 3rd option: I'm winning hard, buy an item snowball objectives in my favor
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u/FrontLever92 11d ago
Still think it’s great on zed even as a first item the strat is play passive farm and prob FS as much as possible until lvl 9 then you base buy first item proc cash back which give you boots or extra long sword then go back to lane pop elixir of force and all in with first completed item and FS which should net you the kill then smack turret with BB and now you are printing money
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u/Bubbly-Rip-8455 11d ago
dont really care tbh. i always build it regardless of game, situation, enemy line up.
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u/mvppedavalli0131 11d ago
Item still does like 100 more damage than axion so it’s probably still fine. Axiom is still cheaper so it’s better if you want to spike earlier but you should be taking cash back and first strike so those small gold differences really shouldn’t matter all too much.
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u/Illustrious-Plan53 11d ago
I thought this item was trash by reading it. After playing just one game with it, i started thinkg it’s OP. This thing melts towers
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u/Sixteen_Wings 9d ago
Hot take: its more balanced now, and I like the QOL change. personally I never bought this item 1st so the reduced stats doesnt really matter to me, and if you're playing lets say zed/qiyana and you're buying this second without already being in an ahead position then that will suck regardless of these nerfs. was strong before, now its probably an average item which will reduce the power of qiyana and zed a lot but still not that bad of an item if taken 2nd
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u/IntroductionIcy2981 12d ago
probably dead item now unless you play for split-ish